Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability - Page 58

Changing City · #**1141** Posted **Jun 13, 2022, 7:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Cool story bro'.

Meanwhile in the 21st century (ie. the past weekend).

Vancouver Police
@VancouverPD
3h
#VPDscanner A shoplifter was charged with 2 counts of assault w/wpn after trying to steal display shoes from a store on Granville Saturday. Staff were assaulted while trying to stop the theft. Suspect arrested by #VPD after a bystander deployed bear spray on the alleged thief.

https://twitter.com/VancouverPD/status/1536370244637163521

Cool story bro.

Crime as usual in a big city, or obsessively scanning to imply this is somehow different, or proof of decline of Vancouver's livability?

(I admit the bystander using bear spray is unusual - were they charged with assault?)

Vin · #**1142** Posted **Jun 13, 2022, 8:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

Cool story bro.

Crime as usual in a big city, or obsessively scanning to imply this is somehow different, or proof of decline of Vancouver's livability?

(I admit the bystander using bear spray is unusual - were they charged with assault?)

Not true even for a large city, which Vancouver is hardly one.

Proof enough of decline of Vancouver's livability.

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

The recall of Boudin always seemed suspect.

Boudin targeted a lot of higher profile, powerful groups, like american gun manufacturers and brought manslaughter charges against a cop that shot and killed a mentally ill man then lied about the circumstances. The police paid him back in kind by not lifting a finger to help him take down a theft ring.
There were with no limits to PAC fundraising in the pro-recall camp with a lot of money coming from republican hedge fund managers.

Boudin notably removed the horrible practice of cash bail from SF

across in east bay, a "progressive" DA won her primary on the same day.

Notwithstanding other issues, the state of the city of San Francisco today is reason enough for Boudin to be recalled, no matter the little amount of positive things he had done previously. The bad outnumbers the good by a large margin.

Vin · #**1143** Posted **Jun 13, 2022, 8:26 PM**

Another fire in the slums of DTES:

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1 dead, 2 injured after explosion, fire at Vancouver SRO hotel
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/1-dead-2-injured-after-explosion-fire-at-vancouver-sro-hotel-1.5942962

I understand that e-bike batteries can explode, but what is concerning is that such SROs do not provide proper places to store electric bicycles and have good water sprinkling systems. I guess you can't ask too much for tax-payer funded slums in one of the most expensive cities in the world.

Changing City · #**1144** Posted **Jun 13, 2022, 9:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Another fire in the slums of DTES:

I understand that e-bike batteries can explode, but what is concerning is that such SROs do not provide proper places to store electric bicycles and have good water sprinkling systems. I guess you can't ask too much for tax-payer funded slums in one of the most expensive cities in the world.

Where would a 100 year old building provide a 'proper place to store electric bicycles?' As the owner of the building noted: “It is very unfortunate, the male tenant had been instructed not to have their e-bike or its battery in their room. He did not heed our advice.”

And as usual, you're wrong. “The hotel’s sprinkler system did go off, which contained the fire to the room, but the explosion caused damage to the building,”

Migrant_Coconut · #**1145** Posted **Jun 13, 2022, 10:52 PM**

Whoever thinks shoplifting and assault are unique to the City of Vancouver... really needs to get out more.

And now the homeless shelters are supposed to provide dedicated e-bike chargers, in case somebody breaks the rules? This has "first world problems" written all over it.

Changing City · #**1146** Posted **Jun 13, 2022, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Whoever thinks shoplifting and assault are unique to the City of Vancouver... really needs to get out more.

And whoever thinks there are more assaults than in the recent past needs to read the crime stats. In the early 2000s in the City of Vancouver there were on average 8.3 cases of assault per 100,000 residents. That's fallen steadily.

In the past three years there were 6.6 cases per 100,000 residents.

In the early 2000s there were an average 19 murders a year.

in 2019-21, despite the city having 100,000 more residents, there were an average of 17 homicides a year.

whatnext · #**1147** Posted **Jun 13, 2022, 11:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Whoever thinks shoplifting and assault are unique to the City of Vancouver... really needs to get out more.

And now the homeless shelters are supposed to provide dedicated e-bike chargers, in case somebody breaks the rules? This has "first world problems" written all over it.

How does someone living in an SRO even afford an ebike? Oh wait...

logan5 · #**1148** Posted **Jun 14, 2022, 5:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

How does someone living in an SRO even afford an ebike? Oh wait...

Well, the unfortunate person probably couldn't afford a good ebike set-up, so he probly had a poorly made battery and/or an improper charger.

chowhou · #**1149** Posted **Jun 14, 2022, 5:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

Well, the unfortunate person probably couldn't afford a good ebike set-up, so he probly had a poorly made battery and/or an improper charger.

Or we can split the difference, and maybe they got a shoddy 2nd hand one, which may have been legitimate or not.

whatnext · #**1150** Posted **Jun 14, 2022, 8:05 PM**

As predicted. That didn't take long:

Man gets banned from brand new Vancouver park for threatening parents
Amir Ali
Jun 14 2022

Vancouver City Park on Richards and Smithe Streets opened just over a month ago, but the VPD has already been called to respond to a troubling situation that took place there resulting in someone being banned.

One man has been charged with numerous offences and is permanently banned from Vancouver City Park after allegedly threatening parents and bringing weapons to the park on Sunday morning.

Vancouver police were called to assist after parents simply asked the man to stop consuming drugs in the park....

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/banned-vancouver-park-threatening-parents

hollywoodnorth · #**1151** Posted **Jun 14, 2022, 9:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

As predicted. That didn't take long:

Man gets banned from brand new Vancouver park for threatening parents
Amir Ali
Jun 14 2022

Vancouver City Park on Richards and Smithe Streets opened just over a month ago, but the VPD has already been called to respond to a troubling situation that took place there resulting in someone being banned.

One man has been charged with numerous offences and is permanently banned from Vancouver City Park after allegedly threatening parents and bringing weapons to the park on Sunday morning.

Vancouver police were called to assist after parents simply asked the man to stop consuming drugs in the park....

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/banned-vancouver-park-threatening-parents

I dont get the problem. The loonie left NDP decriminalized simple possession of drugs ......................

so..............

if the man wants to shoot some smack or snort some meth. show him some god damn respect and let him consume his drugs where he wants to.

there are PLENTY of other parks you can play with your kids at. if the man wants to do drugs in the park .................... let him do drugs in the park. its his right protected under the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms.

jollyburger · #**1152** Posted **Jun 14, 2022, 9:32 PM**

I wonder if he'll honour his bail conditions

Coldrsx · #**1153** Posted **Jun 14, 2022, 9:36 PM**

^^coffee on screen.

whatnext · #**1154** Posted **Jun 14, 2022, 9:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

I wonder if he'll honour his bail conditions

And who exactly would enforce that ban?

Vin · #**1155** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

I dont get the problem. The loonie left NDP decriminalized simple possession of drugs ......................

so..............

if the man wants to shoot some smack or snort some meth. show him some god damn respect and let him consume his drugs where he wants to.

there are PLENTY of other parks you can play with your kids at. if the man wants to do drugs in the park .................... let him do drugs in the park. its his right protected under the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms.

Better still, shut down all parks and turn them into tent cities. Let those poor souls have at least a tent over their head while they shoot up, including the criminal elements since the jails don't even want to house them. They are deserving all the respect indeed.

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Originally Posted by whatnext

And who exactly would enforce that ban?

My thoughts exactly.

Vin · #**1156** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 9:48 PM**

Only 3 years for attempted murder? For God's sake....

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Tim Hortons stabbing perpetrator sentenced to three years in prison
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/tim-hortons-stabbing-sentence

I bet he will be out in a year or two tops.

This guys should be doing 30 years of hard labour.

jollyburger · #**1157** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 11:44 PM**

Stabbing isn't attempted murder. It's just random poking with a sharp object.

Migrant_Coconut · #**1158** Posted **Jun 16, 2022, 1:11 AM**

Attempted murder requires proven intent to kill, otherwise it's assault with a deadly weapon or aggravated assault. An actual murderer got 10 to life last February.

jollyburger · #**1159** Posted **Jun 16, 2022, 2:08 AM**

Maybe it's just me but I think people who randomly stab people without a reason should get a stiffer punishment

CivicBlues · #**1160** Posted **Jun 16, 2022, 5:10 PM**

It's not just you. Random stabbers/assaulters seem to be a lot more dangerous to society than someone who murders their friend/partner/child/parents in a fit of rage. But the latter gets 15-to-life yet the former is frequently written off as "mentally ill" and gets a slap on the wrist or a max 5 years.