213 King St W | 95 m | 30 fl | Under Construction - Page 7

Markus83 · #**121** Posted **Jul 23, 2021, 3:25 PM**

I'm not sure if someone posted this already. I couldn't see it going back.

Design Review Panel - 213 King Street West submission [pdf]

https://www.hamilton.ca/sites/defaul...submission.pdf

ScreamingViking · #**122** Posted **Jul 24, 2021, 8:49 PM**

This one fits the shape of the lot. There was some discussion about that re: the Platinum condo building.

And it's interesting that they note the escarpment elevation and the height limit, but it doesn't seem to apply to the mechanical penthouse? (total height listed a 93.5m, page 113 of the package). Not that I'm complaining, but seems like there's a bit of a loophole in the city's limit unless Vrancor is just testing them by squeezing in an extra floor.

Innsertnamehere · #**123** Posted **Jul 24, 2021, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

This one fits the shape of the lot. There was some discussion about that re: the Platinum condo building.

And it's interesting that they note the escarpment elevation and the height limit, but it doesn't seem to apply to the mechanical penthouse? (total height listed a 93.5m, page 113 of the package). Not that I'm complaining, but seems like there's a bit of a loophole in the city's limit unless Vrancor is just testing them by squeezing in an extra floor.

100% it’s testing the city.

SteelTown · #**124** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 12:22 AM**

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“Money is not everything,” he said. “I’m more relaxed now. But I am still excited. The building at King and Caroline, 30 storeys, I’m waiting for the permit, I can hardly wait to break ground. It is my big hype.”

(That project received conditional site plan approval from the city last December, but Vranich revised the plan in May to switch the residential units to hotel suites, and with double the retail space in the building of the original with the same 30 storeys. City planning staff is reviewing the proposal.)

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...o-vranich.html

Hawrylyshyn · #**125** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 1:54 AM**

Not a fan of the residential to hotel change... Doubling retail is welcome though

Innsertnamehere · #**126** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 2:37 AM**

More hotels downtown is excellent news to me. We have no shortage of residential proposals downtown right now.

HamiltonBoyInToronto · #**127** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 4:34 AM**

Please please please bring back at least a 4 star hotel to hamilton... soon embarrassing when we have out of town guests and their options are Sheraton and Hilton express lol

Innsertnamehere · #**128** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 12:42 PM**

Perhaps the article was mistaken and it has actually been converted to all residential? That generally makes more sense to me than a massive, 300+ room hotel.

The description on the development applications tracker has switched to:

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Application resubmitted to construct a 30 storey mixed-use buildingwith 348 dwelling units, 391 sqm of retail space and 195 parking spaces within the above grade parking garage at 20 George St.

compared to before:

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To construct a mixed-use development consisting of a 30-storey tower above a six-storey based building. A 110 room Hotel is proposed, together with 241 dwelling units and 227 parking spaces.

johnnyhamont · #**129** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 1:40 PM**

Updated render

craftbeerdad · #**130** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 2:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by HamiltonBoyInToronto

Please please please bring back at least a 4 star hotel to hamilton... soon embarrassing when we have out of town guests and their options are Sheraton and Hilton express lol

100% agree.

If this city every wants to be taken seriously we need less QEW/Mississauga/Oakville border crappy hotel clusters and more quality accommodations.

With the arena, convention centre, concert hall and city centre renovations happening in the next 5-10 years (some sooner than others), having two and three star lodgings is pretty small town garbage.

Vrancich has the two-three star market covered, I guess he's going for the monopoly on average hotels.

Markus83 · #**131** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by craftbeerdad

100% agree.

If this city every wants to be taken seriously we need less QEW/Mississauga/Oakville border crappy hotel clusters and more quality accommodations.

With the arena, convention centre, concert hall and city centre renovations happening in the next 5-10 years (some sooner than others), having two and three star lodgings is pretty small town garbage.

Vrancich has the two-three star market covered, I guess he's going for the monopoly on average hotels.

I think there is still a Hyatt to be built in the Mac Inno Park. Is that something of better quality perhaps?

King&James · #**132** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 6:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by johnnyhamont

Dreaming optimistically that this happens. Tried to get a picture for how this area would be with Macs tower completed.

Had more hoped for this render to becom reality

Innsertnamehere · #**133** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 6:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Markus83

I think there is still a Hyatt to be built in the Mac Inno Park. Is that something of better quality perhaps?

Hyatt announced a big expansion in Ontario a few years ago and most were cancelled or at least severely stalled with COVID. Their downtown Toronto is the only hotel still going ahead, the Niagara Falls location was cut mid-construction and McMaster has long stalled with no word of construction start.

The McMaster hotel has been pulled from Hyatt's website, though Niagara Falls is still there despite being stalled in construction for like 2 years now:

https://www.hyatt.com/development/explore-hotels/

the planned brand for McMaster, Hyatt House, is a 3-star long-term-stay brand anyway, so still not a 4-star brand.

Honestly I don't think Hamilton has the market for a 4-star hotel yet. Getting more 3-star hotels downtown is the best we are going to get for a while, I think. Even the hotel getting built at Queen and King right now is a Hampton, Hilton's lowest tier hotel brand. It's still 3-stars, just on the low end of that rank.

SteelTown · #**134** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 6:58 PM**

I can picture the latest proposal as a Doubletree by Hilton.

StEC · #**135** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 9:34 PM**

This also is another improvement. We really do need a solid 4 star hotel and maybe a 5 star boutique hotel especially with all the film production in the city now. Stars and film execs need better options than what currently exists.

TheHonestMaple · #**136** Posted **Jun 15, 2022, 9:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by King&James

Had more hoped for this render to becom reality

I actually think the current proposal looks way better. Than green thing looks kinda tacky.

TheHonestMaple · #**137** Posted **Sep 21, 2022, 7:22 PM**

I noticed they ripped up the parking lot today. Could construction be starting on this one??

TheRitsman · #**138** Posted **Sep 21, 2022, 8:31 PM**

No permits as of yet, not sure either why they're ripping up the asphalt. Maybe the digger being parked for so long it ruined the asphalt?

TheHonestMaple · #**139** Posted **Sep 21, 2022, 8:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by TheRitsman

No permits as of yet, not sure either why they're ripping up the asphalt. Maybe the digger being parked for so long it ruined the asphalt?

I don't think so, they removed the entire surface. Strange.

Innsertnamehere · #**140** Posted **Sep 21, 2022, 8:55 PM**

aren't they using this for construction staging for the McMaster graduate student residence? It may be related to that..

Regarding permits though, we all know that Vranich has been known to do things without them before, so that doesn't really mean anything.