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Old Posted Jun 9, 2022, 8:16 PM
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Compelling excepts from the article (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/how-san-francisco-became-failed-city/661199/) :

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Of course, you can’t blame the plague of meth and opioids on my hometown. Fentanyl is a national catastrophe. But people addicted to drugs come from all over the country in part for the services San Francisco provides. In addition to the supervised drug-use facility in the plaza, San Francisco has a specially sanctioned and city-maintained slum a block from City Hall, where food, medical care, and counseling are free, and every tent costs taxpayers roughly $60,000 a year. People addicted to fentanyl come, too, because buying and doing drugs here is so easy. In 2014, Proposition 47, a state law, downgraded drug possession from a felony to a misdemeanor, and one that Boudin said he wouldn’t devote resources to prosecuting.

This approach to drug use and homelessness is distinctly San Franciscan, blending empathy-driven progressivism with California libertarianism. The roots of this belief system reach back to the ’60s, when hippies filled the streets with tents and weed. The city has always had a soft spot for vagabonds, and an admirable focus on care over punishment. Policy makers and residents largely embraced the exciting idea that people should be able to do whatever they want to do, including live in tent cities and have fun with drugs and make their own medical decisions, even if they are out of their mind sometimes. But then fentanyl arrived, and more and more people started dying in those tents. When the pandemic began, the drug crisis got worse.

In 2019, someone posted a picture in a Facebook group called B.A.R.T. Rants & Raves, where people complain about the state of the regional transportation system. The photo was of a young man, slumped over on a train. People were chiming in about how gross the city was.

A woman named Jacqui Berlinn wrote in the comments, simply: “That’s my son.”

His name is Corey Sylvester and he’s 31 years old. She posted a photo of him when he was sober: “May he return there soon.”

Berlinn has five children, and is also raising Sylvester’s daughter. Since she posted that comment, she’s become an activist, calling on the city to crack down on drug sales, put dealers in jail, and arrest her son so he’s forced to become sober in jail, which she sees as the only way to save his life. She told me that she feels San Francisco has failed people like him: “Nothing that is being done is improving the situation.” Her work is nonpartisan, she said, but “I’d be lying if I didn’t say I really want to see Boudin recalled.”

Not long ago, we met on a stoop by the Civic Center, where her son used to hang out. She hadn’t seen him in months, but she spoke with him periodically. She cried as she talked about his journey into drugs. She said he was a heroin addict. He’d get sober after stints in jail, but it wouldn’t last. “I’d see him sometimes, and he didn’t look that bad, and that was how it was for 10 years,” she told me. “But then the dealers started putting fentanyl in everything, and being on fentanyl, it’s changed him, deteriorated him so rapidly … Before, he looked pretty healthy and smiling. And now he’s got this stoop. He walks almost at a 40-degree angle, like an old man.”


He’s been stabbed twice. He got an infection in his thumb, and she thought he might lose the hand. “They need to stop ignoring the fact that there are people out here selling fentanyl on the streets,” she said. “When it was just heroin—I can’t believe I’m saying ‘just heroin.’ Fentanyl is different. We’re normalizing people dying.”

One day, Berlinn was out looking for Corey in the Tenderloin neighborhood when she came across someone else’s son. “He was naked in front of Safeway … And he was saying he was God and he was eating a cardboard box.”

She called the police. Officers arrived but said there was nothing they could do; he said he didn’t want help, and he wasn’t hurting anyone. “They said it’s not illegal to be naked; people are in the Castro naked all the time … They just left him naked eating cardboard on the street in front of Safeway.”

What happened to the man at the Safeway, what happened to Dustin Walker—these are parables of a sort of progressive-libertarian nihilism, of the belief that any intervention that has to be imposed on a vulnerable person is so fundamentally flawed and problematic that the best thing to do is nothing at all. Anyone offended by the sight of the suffering is just judging someone who’s having a mental-health episode, and any liberal who argues that the state can and should take control of someone in the throes of drugs and psychosis is basically a Republican. If and when the vulnerable person dies, that was his choice, and in San Francisco we congratulate ourselves on being very accepting of that choice.
San Francisco thus booted out useless District Attorney Boudin, so who can we boot out here?
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Compelling excepts from the article (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/how-san-francisco-became-failed-city/661199/) :

San Francisco thus booted out useless District Attorney Boudin, so who can we boot out here?
You can't - as you know, we don't have elected DAs here. Don't assume there will be significant change in San Francisco with an interim DA filling the post until the 2023 election. "This election does not mean that San Francisco has drifted to the far right on our approach to criminal justice," Mary Jung, a chair of the recall campaign, said in a statement. "In fact, San Francisco has been a national beacon for progressive criminal justice reform for decades and will continue to do so with new leadership." [CBS News]
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San Francisco thus booted out useless District Attorney Boudin, so who can we boot out here?
easy .... John Whore-again. it all starts at the top and the Premier sets the tone for this province and puts all the key players in place ... ie Attorney General, Solicitor General, etc and when the top is rotten to the core and all about virtue signalling you are screwed.

And we are screwed under a Whore-again lead NDP.

The Solicitor General is majorly at fault also he should be pushing crown to actually do something. As he is the head of crown! I wouldn't trust Mike Farnworth to dig a ditch let alone run the provincial courts.
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easy .... John Whore-again. it all starts at the top and the Premier sets the tone for this province and puts all the key players in place ... ie Attorney General, Solicitor General, etc and when the top is rotten to the core and all about virtue signalling you are screwed.

And we are screwed under a Whore-again lead NDP.
What will be your excuse when the BC Libs get in and nothing changes?
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What will be your excuse when the BC Libs get in and nothing changes?
Or whatever they call themselves at the next election. The Falconettes?
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Or whatever they call themselves at the next election. The Falconettes?
Can't wait for the Dogwood Party a la the Alberta Conservative to Wild Rose temporary rebrand.
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Another excerpt I found compelling:
"A couple of years ago, one of my friends saw a man staggering down the street, bleeding. She recognized him as someone who regularly slept outside in the neighborhood, and called 911. Paramedics and police arrived and began treating him, but members of a homeless advocacy group noticed and intervened. They told the man that he didn’t have to get into the ambulance, that he had the right to refuse treatment. So that’s what he did. The paramedics left; the activists left. The man sat on the sidewalk alone, still bleeding. A few months later, he died about a block away."

We've got the same sort of organizations here with the same mentality. Because letting someone addicted to drugs die on the street, twitching from an overdose or succumbing to the effects of an untreated infection is somehow more humane than, God forbid, actually helping them.
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What will be your excuse when the BC Libs get in and nothing changes?
All governments are completely inept. Both left and right.
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You can't - as you know, we don't have elected DAs here. Don't assume there will be significant change in San Francisco with an interim DA filling the post until the 2023 election. "This election does not mean that San Francisco has drifted to the far right on our approach to criminal justice," Mary Jung, a chair of the recall campaign, said in a statement. "In fact, San Francisco has been a national beacon for progressive criminal justice reform for decades and will continue to do so with new leadership." [CBS News]
Hey, you need to start somewhere. Get rid of the enablers and those that cause more deaths on the street. You can't do worse than that right? We need to do the same here. There are simply too many enablers and people hooked onto the system. And the rest of the population are just blind while they waddle in their own dreamt-up bliss.

What's with all the self-defeating attitude? Get a real conviction and then stick with it. We don't need to look anywhere else, but inwards at our city's own failure. The worst thing that can happen in a society is for its population not realizing its downslide until its too late.

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All governments are completely inept. Both left and right.
You mean our government and not all governments in general right? In this world there are so many other authorities taking the correct paths. What are they doing right that we aren't? The article on San Francisco certainly shines light on that. It is the over-tolerance of the wrongs in our society that has led to what is happening on the streets this day.

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Another excerpt I found compelling:
"A couple of years ago, one of my friends saw a man staggering down the street, bleeding. She recognized him as someone who regularly slept outside in the neighborhood, and called 911. Paramedics and police arrived and began treating him, but members of a homeless advocacy group noticed and intervened. They told the man that he didn’t have to get into the ambulance, that he had the right to refuse treatment. So that’s what he did. The paramedics left; the activists left. The man sat on the sidewalk alone, still bleeding. A few months later, he died about a block away."

We've got the same sort of organizations here with the same mentality. Because letting someone addicted to drugs die on the street, twitching from an overdose or succumbing to the effects of an untreated infection is somehow more humane than, God forbid, actually helping them.
It is really sad that our society keeps learning from those that fail. I see too many parallels with San Francisco.

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What will be your excuse when the BC Libs get in and nothing changes?
Containing the rot is way better than letting the rot spread out of hand. As an enabler, you are certainly not helping.

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easy .... John Whore-again. it all starts at the top and the Premier sets the tone for this province and puts all the key players in place ... ie Attorney General, Solicitor General, etc and when the top is rotten to the core and all about virtue signalling you are screwed.

And we are screwed under a Whore-again lead NDP.

The Solicitor General is majorly at fault also he should be pushing crown to actually do something. As he is the head of crown! I wouldn't trust Mike Farnworth to dig a ditch let alone run the provincial courts.
Certainly. One of the worst decisions was to use tax-payer money to buy up budget hotels in Victoria and Vancouver, then turn them into instant slums without taking further positive actions or follow-ups. Now those neighbourhoods they are in are essentially write-offs, devoid of prior vibrancies except worsening rot and decay. Thanks NDP! The longer they stay in power, the more instant slums will be created.

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All governments are completely inept. Both left and right.
I agree, I don't see any jurisdictions in North America effectively dealing with this although the progressive left is more to blame than the right since they dominate civic politics. A big part of the problem is the extreme shortage of beds for the mentally ill, we have something like a tenth of the number of beds needed so little wonder mental illness/addiction is rampant on the streets
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I agree, I don't see any jurisdictions in North America effectively dealing with this although the progressive left is more to blame than the right since they dominate civic politics. A big part of the problem is the extreme shortage of beds for the mentally ill, we have something like a tenth of the number of beds needed so little wonder mental illness/addiction is rampant on the streets
If the Left is to blame on the civic side, the Right is to blame on the Provincial and National side, for mental illness and healthcare are their responsibility.
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If the Left is to blame on the civic side, the Right is to blame on the Provincial and National side, for mental illness and healthcare are their responsibility.
Hang on. When did an NDP provincial government and an NDP/Liberal unholy marriage national government constitute right wing?
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San Francisco thus booted out useless District Attorney Boudin, so who can we boot out here?
The recall of Boudin always seemed suspect.

Boudin targeted a lot of higher profile, powerful groups, like american gun manufacturers and brought manslaughter charges against a cop that shot and killed a mentally ill man then lied about the circumstances. The police paid him back in kind by not lifting a finger to help him take down a theft ring.
There were with no limits to PAC fundraising in the pro-recall camp with a lot of money coming from republican hedge fund managers.

Boudin notably removed the horrible practice of cash bail from SF

across in east bay, a "progressive" DA won her primary on the same day.
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Hang on. When did an NDP provincial government and an NDP/Liberal unholy marriage national government constitute right wing?
Exactly

Warren seems blissfuly unaware of who's in power but keen to blame the right for anything he can
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From Reddit. We seriously need to lock up crazies.

I live across the street, this woke me up around 5-6 Tuesday morning. The person that set the fire was screaming and smashing everything they could before hand. The bus shelter, the doors to the RCMP station, the doors to my building. I've heard/seen plenty of people having a mental health crisis, this was the most violent one I have ever experienced.
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Hang on. When did an NDP provincial government and an NDP/Liberal unholy marriage national government constitute right wing?
Did Harper improve mental health programs?
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Warren seems blissfuly unaware of who's in power but keen to blame the right for anything he can
So who are you voting for that will increase mental health spending significantly, and provide the beds required?
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Man stabbed with sword multiple times in downtown Vancouver
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https://globalnews.ca/news/8916521/sword-stabbing-downtown-vancouver/
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Man stabbed with sword multiple times in downtown Vancouver
By Elizabeth McSheffrey Global News
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https://globalnews.ca/news/8916521/sword-stabbing-downtown-vancouver/
"Maniac Attacks Boy, 12, With Sword
Police today are continuing search for a maniac who attacked Carson Smith, 12, of 1692 East Fifty-ninth Avenue, with a sword at Fifty-seventh Avenue and Argyle Street, at 1:15 p.m., Saturday. The boy declared that his assailant stepped out of the bushes, cursed him and declared: "Now I've got you." The man slashed at the boy with a sword and cut the youngster's shirt before he disappeared back into the bushes."

Vancouver Sun, 4 December 1939

"For no apparent reason, a Vancouver woman was attacked and stabbed in the foot with a sword wielded by a male assailant on the premises of a restaurant. The victim suffered a puncture wound to her left foot and was disabled for approximately one month. She was awarded $2,580."

Vancouver Sun November 16 1983
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Cool story bro'.

Meanwhile in the 21st century (ie. the past weekend).

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#VPDscanner A shoplifter was charged with 2 counts of assault w/wpn after trying to steal display shoes from a store on Granville Saturday. Staff were assaulted while trying to stop the theft. Suspect arrested by #VPD after a bystander deployed bear spray on the alleged thief.


https://twitter.com/VancouverPD/status/1536370244637163521
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