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Old Posted Jul 23, 2021, 7:50 PM
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It doesn't matter. Downtown Commission has no real authority. Their official role is to advise City Council on matters related to Downtown. But Council has no obligation to listen to people who are only there to hear themselves talk, even if a CM appointed them.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2021, 8:51 PM
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It doesn't matter. Downtown Commission has no real authority. Their official role is to advise City Council on matters related to Downtown. But Council has no obligation to listen to people who are only there to hear themselves talk, even if a CM appointed them.
I listened to the meeting for fun and whoever Lavigne is strikes me as having no idea what he's talking about and having never read any of the Convention Center reports over the past couple of years. A quick browse through this thread and he would have known enough to be prepared and not just grandstand and then sandbag the discussion.

I'm curious who appointed this guy to the Commission - I try to always entertain opposing thoughts if they strike me as having a substantial basis, but to fight years of planning and growth by being uninformed and playing dumb is in really bad faith IMO. There are legitimate discussions to be had and that wasn't it. Hats off to the two presenters for their patience and professionalism.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2021, 11:14 PM
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He was appointed by Leslie pool.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2021, 1:29 AM
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He was appointed by Leslie pool.
Well, that would then be one of those 'nuff saids. I still really miss Will Wynn.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2021, 1:38 AM
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Well, that would then be one of those 'nuff saids. I still really miss Will Wynn.
Literally the first thought that crossed my mind, "'nuff said." Thanks for the info, freerover, wish I could say I was surprised.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2021, 1:50 AM
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By the way, I know this has been said in another thread, but I really appreciate you all on the forum - thanks for keeping the community informed over the years and in the future!
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2021, 2:32 PM
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Any progress on CC stuff? Plans? Discussion? Irresponsible speculations?
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2021, 2:47 PM
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No formal construction timeline, no formal design -- though both are in the works. Financing is the hottest topic of the moment, as far as I know, and they are still figuring that out with the city.

They actually did a ppt presentation to the Downtown Commission on 9/15:

http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=367505
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2021, 6:53 PM
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Still the same people trying to stop something extremely important to the Austin economy.
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Old Posted May 22, 2022, 7:14 PM
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Back from dead, sorta.

https://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=383631






https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2022/05/20/austin-convention-center-plans.html

[QUOTE]The Austin Convention Center has revealed a proof of concept for the redevelopment of the downtown economic engine that hosts more than 300,000 visitors annually, offering a glimpse into a tremendous undertaking that aims to keep the city competitive with peers across the country.

Members of the convention center’s executive team on May 18presented a preliminary plan for a revamped facility that is expected to generate more than $250 million in additional annual revenue.

Austin Convention Center Department Director Trisha Tatro and Chief Administrative Officer Katy Zamesnik told members of the Austin Tourism Commission the redevelopment is expected to take four years and cost between $1.2 billion and $1.4 billion, funded by the center’s own revenue and the city’s hotel occupancy tax, which was increased in 2019. They told the commission the final price tag could be lower as definitive designs of the new facility do not yet exist.

“We are basing this off of a proof of concept,” Tatro said. “We have included a large amount of contingency that we expect to come down.”

The department estimates that the expansion, as planned, would have a total annual economic impact of $753.8 million, up from its current estimate of $468.8 million. The project is also estimated to create 1,622 jobs, according to its report.

As proposed, the project would be a complete reconstruction of the convention center at its current location at 500 E. Cesar Chavez St., on the east side of downtown. It would actually result in a smaller footprint but grow to 709,000 rentable square feet by building out additional meeting space underground. The center currently offers just over half of that with a total of 376,000 rentable square feet.

This project would be the biggest transformation in the convention center’s 30-year history. It opened in 1992 and was significantly expanded in 2002, roughly doubling in size.

Some city leaders have expressed opposition to the current plan. In April, Austin's Downtown Commission approved a recommendation to City Council to carry out a request for proposals for residential or office spaces for the upper floors of the site, according to the Austin Monitor.

Last year, members of the commission questioned the decision not to pursue the redevelopment as a public-private partnership and place the cost on the private sector.

Under the plan presented by Tatro and Zamesnik, the redevelopment will allow for public-private development opportunities.

The pandemic decimated the national convention business, but activity at Austin's facility is ramping back up as trade shows and corporate celebrations once again hit the road. Austin Convention Center is fielding business inquiries that match pre-pandemic levels, and is operating at about 70% capacity, officials said.

The Austin Convention Center aims to release a request for qualifications for architectural and engineering services followed by a request for proposal for construction services. The contracts would then require approval from City Council before any work could begin.

Preliminary plans for the city-owned facility call for more underground space, growing the convention center's available meeting space from 65,000 square feet to 152,000 square feet. Total exhibition space would grow from 247,000 to 372,000 square feet.

The center’s available ballroom space is planned for expansion from 64,000 to 85,000 square feet. About 100,000 square feet of multipurpose space would be added under the current plan.

The renovation would also establish space for a new train platform as envisioned in Project Connect, the massive expansion of Austin’s transit system that will include new light rail lines, a downtown subway and an expanded bus system.

Photo: The Austin Convention Center Department's proof of concept for redevelopment shows how a new facility could be laid out, with Second and Third streets reopened.

“We are trying to achieve cost savings, which is why we are trying to actualize both projects on a similar timeline,” Zamesnik told the commission. “The project remains financially feasible.”

The expansion would also result in additional green space along the Red River Cultural District and a street-level gallery featuring local artists.

Zamesnik emphasized the project would “include public benefits without public money,” funded by those visiting Austin.

What would a new convention center bring to the table for Austin, its businesses?
Plans to expand the facility on its current site took hold after convention center leaders and nearby property owners hit an impasse in April 2021 on westward expansion. That resulted in a plan to tear down the existing building and start over.

The current size of the convention center has led Austin to lose out on some large events. Backers of the expansion say it would allow the city to continue to host major events like South by Southwest and attract new conventions while facilitating economic growth and improving mobility through the city’s public transportation initiatives.

Plans for the redeveloped convention center would also include reopening Austin’s downtown streets to "multi-modal traffic," according to the department's presentation to the Austin Tourism Commission.

"Our goal is to bring the local community back," Tatro said. "It allows us to reconnect east and west."

Last year, Austin did not appear on a ranking for the top U.S. convention destinations compiled by Secaucus, New Jersey-based Northstar Meetings Group. Houston ranked No. 3 while Dallas was No. 5 and San Antonio was No. 13./QUOTE]
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Old Posted May 22, 2022, 7:42 PM
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It's a little underwhelming. I think they should go another floor higher to create even more space.
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Old Posted May 22, 2022, 9:25 PM
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This is honestly a better proposal. The convention center is important for business in Austin and tourism, but it also wrecks parts of downtown. This feels like a way to kill off some of the "dead zone" aspects of the convention center.

I would also love ground floor retail/restaurants on the street facing sides. This mentions opportunities for them and honestly it would be absolutely wonderful especially with the new greenbelt to really reconnect the river to the entertainment district and the new park to Congress.
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Old Posted May 23, 2022, 1:24 AM
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It's a little underwhelming. I think they should go another floor higher to create even more space.
I agree.

And actually, to be honest, I'm depressed by this. A lot of what I'm seeing here seems to be "design a convention center that is invisible and that no one knows is there." Which is a response to the CC's most vocal critics, who wish it didn't exist at all. And I get that they're trying to triangulate the politics, but the proposal as I understand it is to essentially sink the convention parts into several layers of basement, and then cover it with all the nice compromisy parts, which include a couple of administrative office towers, lots of retail, public art and open spaces, and fully reconnected street grids.

The critics get everything they want -- literally everything! -- but future conventioneers will be consigned to multiple underground exhibit halls. No famous Austin sunlight anywhere to be seen.

I'm not a guy that wants a huge sprawling warehouse in the middle of the city, but at the same time, I want ALL visitors here to be prioritized, not just the ones certain of us like at a given time.

BONUS COMMENT: one of the things holding this whole train up is the bondholder's agreement with the Hilton. Seems there's a clause in the contract that says that, should the CC ever not produce a certain amount of annual revenue to support the continuing operation of the Hilton, the bonds immediately go into default. Obviously, four years without a convention center would blow a HUGE hole in the Hilton's revenues. The ACE folks are trying to work through that with the bondholders but from what I understand it's been slow going.
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Old Posted May 23, 2022, 11:43 AM
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OK, let me be the first to say no to the ground level parking on Cesar Chavez, Trinity and Red River south of 2nd. Also, no to the below grade footprint extending into the surrounding ROWs under the sidewalks unless it is deep enough to allow street trees to be planted on top. And I really don't understand the desire for the entire Red River frontage to be open space when there is literally a park across the street. I'd much rather see retail or at least pedestrian friendly ground floor uses (like pre-function) there.

I also wonder how they plan to deal with the chilled water main under 3rd Street (also relevant to Project Connect). It is going to be very expensive to move and there aren't a lot of alternative streets with all of the other underground infrastructure that already exists.
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The critics get everything they want -- literally everything! -- but future conventioneers will be consigned to multiple underground exhibit halls. No famous Austin sunlight anywhere to be seen.
All the current exhibit halls are windowless. It's actually almost a perfect use for going underground.
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All the current exhibit halls are windowless. It's actually almost a perfect use for going underground.
Correct, but the prefunction area is all sunlit, in some cases with windows that stretch a couple of stories. You can easily walk out into full daylight.

In this new vision, conventioneers will have to emerge onto the surface like Morlocks. Or exit into a subway station.
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Correct, but the prefunction area is all sunlit, in some cases with windows that stretch a couple of stories. You can easily walk out into full daylight.

In this new vision, conventioneers will have to emerge onto the surface like Morlocks. Or exit into a subway station.
Seems like a good opportunity for some skylight/multi story atrium features.
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I wonder if that is what the ground floor 'lobbies' are supposed to be. I have never heard that term used in the context of a convention center, but I can see how they would be combining entry / exit, prefunction and vertical circulation down to the exhibit halls.
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Reminds me a bit of Washington DCs convention facility... warlocks and all.
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I'm also sort of curious how they decided what to include as context in the massing diagram. They included an old concept for 99 Trinity and something that does not at all resemble the new Marriott and Conrad between Cesar Chavez and Trinity, but they did not include any other proposed or under construction buildings. I know it is only a proof of concept sketch, but the fact that they seem to be working from extremely old information kind of worries me.
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