Canadian City Proposals - Page 915

Harley613 · #**18281** Posted **May 17, 2022, 9:47 PM**

36 and 31 story towers (120/105 metres) just proposed on the Library District parcel of Lebreton Flats in Ottawa.

J.OT13 · #**18282** Posted **May 17, 2022, 9:58 PM**

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Happy to see Ottawa chose that one. Only design that worked with the heritage buildings rather than trying to overpower and outshine them.

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My immediate favourite of the proposals. I'm pleased.

I'm surprised. On the Ottawa forum, we've seen largely disappointment. For sure, it was the one that best preserved (only one that fully preserved as opposed to facadism) the heritage buildings.

J.OT13 · #**18283** Posted **May 17, 2022, 10:07 PM**

That LeBreton Proposal is from Dream, same developer as Zibi. Speaking of which, here's the next Ottawa tower:

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NEW 22 storey mixed use building with 239 residentail units proposal on the Ottawa part of Zibi (Block 204).

https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applications/D07-12-22-0071/details

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J.OT13 · #**18284** Posted **May 18, 2022, 12:06 AM**

Big day for proposals in the NCR. A few in Gatineau along the future tramway.

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As seen on Rail Fans and Global Transit and Infrastructure (RMTransit) Discords.

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As see on Rail Fans Canada Discord.

The City of Ottawa released a development application for 359 Kent Street in Centretown as well. A "landmark tower" of 34 floors (unheard of in that area of town) according to the developer. Docs and renderings should be released soon.

WhipperSnapper · #**18285** Posted **May 18, 2022, 12:34 AM**

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Happy to see Ottawa chose that one. Only design that worked with the heritage buildings rather than trying to overpower and outshine them.

I actually find this proposal does the most damage to the heritage " facades" with the floor additions.

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https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.4228911,-...itch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

The Wellington side is pretty boring with the most uninviting street level.

WhipperSnapper · #**18286** Posted **May 18, 2022, 12:35 AM**

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36 and 31 story towers (120/105 metres) just proposed on the Library District parcel of Lebreton Flats in Ottawa.

Jeebus.

Harley613 · #**18287** Posted **May 18, 2022, 12:39 AM**

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Jeebus.

Before anyone rushes to judgement on the....interesting....design, know that this development is to be over 40% affordable housing, and in one of the best locations in the city.

WhipperSnapper · #**18288** Posted **May 18, 2022, 12:49 AM**

They could save money picking one colour of ACP over the star architect inspiration.

They call units at 10% below market rates affordable

Innsertnamehere · #**18289** Posted **May 18, 2022, 2:39 AM**

“Market rate” definitions are often well below actual market. 10% below market rent means 1-bed units for like $1,000 a month.

hipster duck · #**18290** Posted **May 18, 2022, 3:17 AM**

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“Market rate” definitions are often well below actual market. 10% below market rent means 1-bed units for like $1,000 a month.

Do you know if planners define “market rate” affordability of new units based on average rents from the CMHC’s rental market survey?

If so, they’d be setting rental price guidelines for new build apartments with modern fixtures based off averages estimated from the entire supply of rental properties, including very old units, units where the landlord hasn’t bothered to raise the rents in years and rents from units in buildings in cheaper parts of town.

urbandreamer · #**18291** Posted **May 18, 2022, 3:23 AM**

Are Dream's founders Russian? Their developments remind me of new buildings going up in Moscow.

WhipperSnapper · #**18292** Posted **May 18, 2022, 11:32 AM**

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“Market rate” definitions are often well below actual market. 10% below market rent means 1-bed units for like $1,000 a month.

True but, the market rate is not what I meant..

WhipperSnapper · #**18293** Posted **May 18, 2022, 11:40 AM**

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Are Dream's founders Russian? Their developments remind me of new buildings going up in Moscow.

Dream manages a publicly traded real estate investment trust. The name comes from Dundee Real Estate Asset Management which should sell well to Asians.

J.OT13 · #**18294** Posted **May 18, 2022, 12:21 PM**

Ottawa Centretown proposal. 359 Kent St, 436-444 MacLaren St, 109m, 34floors.

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Here some renderings

Innsertnamehere · #**18295** Posted **May 18, 2022, 12:53 PM**

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Do you know if planners define “market rate” affordability of new units based on average rents from the CMHC’s rental market survey?

If so, they’d be setting rental price guidelines for new build apartments with modern fixtures based off averages estimated from the entire supply of rental properties, including very old units, units where the landlord hasn’t bothered to raise the rents in years and rents from units in buildings in cheaper parts of town.

That's exactly how it is typically defined. Ottawa's AMR for a 1-bed right now is $1,280, so an "affordable" unit in that project, at 10% less than AMR, would be $1,152 a month. a 2-bed unit would be $1,395.

That's far, far below actual market rent for a unit like that in a new building.

905er · #**18296** Posted **May 18, 2022, 4:41 PM**

These Ottawa towers are giving me a Rotterdam or Oslo vibe.. I don't know how I feel about them just yet, but glad to see there's some height and at least uniqueness to them.

O-tacular · #**18297** Posted **May 18, 2022, 4:59 PM**

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These Ottawa towers are giving me a Rotterdam or Oslo vibe.. I don't know how I feel about them just yet, but glad to see there's some height and at least uniqueness to them.

Yeah I agree. I think it will come down to execution. Could look really terrible or really progressive depending on the panels and colours. The small windows are slightly prison like. Not sure why they need to be this small even if it is for affordable housing. I will say it's a refreshing break from the typical blue glass and spandrel boxes we've been seeing. Not to mention gimmicky balconies.

Veggie · #**18298** Posted **May 18, 2022, 10:10 PM**

Figured I'd post the other angle of the new Ottawa towers that's around:

Harley613 · #**18299** Posted **May 18, 2022, 11:03 PM**

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These Ottawa towers are giving me a Rotterdam or Oslo vibe.. I don't know how I feel about them just yet, but glad to see there's some height and at least uniqueness to them.

Rotterdam was my immediate first thought when they released the renders!

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I love the splash of colour. I realize now why I immediately thought of Rotterdam when I saw these new renders. Red is a great accent colour in a skyline.

biguc · #**18300** Posted **May 19, 2022, 9:38 AM**

Looking at these "Library District" (one block is a whole district now?) towers on my computer screen, they look terrible. The blocked colour gradients look like they'll be cheap metal panels. The Rotterdam towers are probably masonry.

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I actually find this proposal does the most damage to the heritage " facades" with the floor additions.

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https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.4228911,-...itch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

The Wellington side is pretty boring with the most uninviting street level.

Exactly. As far as I can tell it's still facadism. They're just adding more floors to the facades.

WilkinsonEyre had by far the best proposal. It respected existing buildings and actually looked good. And I expect good things from this firm; CIBC square is turning out really well.