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Old Posted May 5, 2022, 6:27 PM
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The NIMBYS are already fundraising to stop this project.

http://hintonburg.com/help-stop-hint...h-rise-canyon/
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Old Posted May 5, 2022, 7:47 PM
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The NIMBYS are already fundraising to stop this project.

http://hintonburg.com/help-stop-hint...h-rise-canyon/
These people hate the increase in value for their properties eh?
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... Are they not aware that the rest of Parkdale is currently filled with 20-30 story buildings?
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Old Posted May 5, 2022, 8:19 PM
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I also like this one - I don't mind the tower on the mainstreet given its proximity to Tunney's Pasture station, and the main podium frames the street well. The access and loading from the rear lane is great, and two units of ground floor commercial is good too. Parking rate is just above 0.5 per unit (about... I didn't calculate it out), which is perfect for the area. Not much to complain about.

*Edit: Maybe I should send in a comment for this one, try to counterbalance the inevitable NIMBYism.
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The NIMBYS are already fundraising to stop this project.

http://hintonburg.com/help-stop-hint...h-rise-canyon/
The experience of community associations getting hired consultants isn't good. It usually results in getting out of town consultants as none of the local ones want to take it on.
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Old Posted May 5, 2022, 10:26 PM
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It's hilarious that they are fighting to stop a 'high rise canyon'. Here's Minto proposing a low profile 6 story podium across the lot with a slenderish 16 story tower over half the podium, and the NIMBY community association are bitching that it's over the 9 story plan limit. YOU KNOW they would accept a lot line to lot line 9 story blob, which would have around the same number of units. What is more canyon like? 9 story lot line to lot line masses down the 'traditional main street', or slender towers above shorter podiums with a variety of differing heights? We know the answer, but these idiots only see the floor count, nothing else.
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Old Posted May 6, 2022, 2:26 AM
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I find this new design to be very off-putting. It looks a bit like there were two towers and one of them fell over.

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The NIMBYS are already fundraising to stop this project.

http://hintonburg.com/help-stop-hint...h-rise-canyon/
Actually the Community Association are in opposition to the project at 961-979 Somerset and 26-40 Armstrong...for now.
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Old Posted May 6, 2022, 2:33 AM
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Actually the Community Association are in opposition to the project at 961-979 Somerset and 26-40 Armstrong...for now.
They've literally included a rendering of this project right after the following paragraph "Coming up very soon is a proposal for another high-rise tower where only nine-storeys are permitted at the corner of Parkdale and Wellington."

So i think its fair to say they oppose this one too
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Old Posted May 6, 2022, 11:12 AM
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They've literally included a rendering of this project right after the following paragraph "Coming up very soon is a proposal for another high-rise tower where only nine-storeys are permitted at the corner of Parkdale and Wellington."

So i think its fair to say they oppose this one too
I was walking around wellington yesterday and they've posted flyers everywhere mentioning this project. They are definitely against this development as well.
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I find this new design to be very off-putting. It looks a bit like there were two towers and one of them fell over.
I'm also not sure how I feel about this one. It's certainly different from what we usually see. Should offer a good contrast to the lot-line-to-lot-line brick block across the street.

Refreshing to see something with no blank wall.

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It's hilarious that they are fighting to stop a 'high rise canyon'. Here's Minto proposing a low profile 6 story podium across the lot with a slenderish 16 story tower over half the podium, and the NIMBY community association are bitching that it's over the 9 story plan limit. YOU KNOW they would accept a lot line to lot line 9 story blob, which would have around the same number of units. What is more canyon like? 9 story lot line to lot line masses down the 'traditional main street', or slender towers above shorter podiums with a variety of differing heights? We know the answer, but these idiots only see the floor count, nothing else.
Way too much focus on height in this City. Much of the zoning should be changed to volume over height. I much prefer this to a big 9 story block.
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Old Posted May 12, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Planning committee slows down high-rise application in Hintonburg

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
May 12, 2022 • 1 hour ago • 4 minute read




Rarely does a high-rise application cause the city’s planning committee to stall the approval process, but there was something about a tower eyed for a Hintonburg intersection that didn’t sit well with councillors on Thursday.

In fact, the 16-storey project proposed for Wellington Street West at Parkdale Avenue might have been flirting with rejection, if not for the committee’s decision to defer a decision and allow the developer to have more discussions with city staff and Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper.

The development site at 1186, 1188 and 1194 Wellington St. W. has a commercial building and the old Elmdale Theatre. Both buildings would be demolished to make way for the new mixed-use project, which requires amendments to the official plan and zoning bylaw.

Welldale Limited Partnership, an affiliate of Minto Group, agreed to shave two storeys from the concept it first presented to the community in 2021.

Leiper, who lives around the corner from the site, said it’s still “a pretty wild proposal” for an area that’s often jammed with traffic.

The property zoning has a six-storey limit, but a community design plan considers buildings up to nine storeys at the corner property if there’s a benefit to the community. Instead of a more squat building design, the developer has proposed to redistribute the density into a tower.

Leiper took issue with the developer also applying the nine-storey maximum to the old theatre property at the corner of Hamilton Avenue, with the density shifted to the tower portion of the plan. He also questioned the vehicular exits from the site, considering the heavy traffic already in the area.

The development would have 212 units and 139 underground parking spots.

Cheryl Parrott of the Hintonburg Community Association called Parkdale Avenue “a parking lot for a good part of the day.”

Minto Group’s Kevin Harper said it’s not the company’s problem to solve the city’s transportation troubles, but he assured Leiper that the site plan study will examine vehicle access.

Harper noted that the city is spending billions on an LRT system that supports this kind of development.

The development site has good scores for public transit, walking and cycling, Harper said. It’s about 750 metres from Tunney’s Pasture Station and new residents would receive a one-month Presto pass from the company.

The developer has attempted to be sensitive to the history of the property. Its architecture firm, Dialog, paid homage to the old theatre’s entrance at the corner of Hamilton Avenue by using a curved design.

A $514,708.38 community benefit would be paid by the developer to the city under the proposal. The money would be put toward affordable housing in Kitchissippi ward and improvements to Parkdale Park and Parkdale Market.

Council reps for Kanata helped convince the committee to punt a decision to a later date.

It was Kanata South Coun. Allan Hubley who spoke up with the idea to defer the decision because he didn’t consider it to be a finished proposal.

It was a “roll of the dice” as to whether the application would be approved by the committee and deferring the file would avoid immediately sending the developer back to square one, Hubley said.

Hubley’s ward neighbour, Kanata North Coun. Cathy Curry, said the committee needed to send a message to the developer that the proposal wasn’t sensible.

“This is beyond what could be expected that would be reasonable,” Curry said.

The committee left the application’s return date open-ended.


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Old Posted May 12, 2022, 9:59 PM
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Leiper, who lives around the corner from the site, said it’s still “a pretty wild proposal” for an area that’s often jammed with traffic.
I am waiting for someone who objects to a proposal because "traffic" to announce that they are doing something about the traffic by getting rid of their own car.
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So the developer thought they could get 18-storeys by assuming the entire site could be zoned for 9-storeys and then shift half of that onto the other side? I don't think that's what the City intends for that kind of zoning. Sometimes there are Floor Area Ratios, but I doubt the 9-storey zoning for "special" buildings would permit that sort of redistribution.

I would certainly prefer to see more with regards to the old theatre on the corner, rather than just a nod to it in the design (one curved corner). I don't know...

Naturally, I gripe about excessive parking. I understand people's concern about traffic and additional vehicles, and as I say like a broken record, this sort of site is close enough to an LRT station and is in one of the more walkable neighbourhoods in the city that they should not need to provide parking (maybe 10%). Developers keep using TOD and LRT as an excuse to build higher buildings but keep insisting on all the parking, which is missing the point entirely. I wish the City could implement parking maximums and be firm on rejecting lots of parking in this central, walkable, transit-served areas.

On a side note I was helping with a project elsewhere in the City, and the amount of parking required for even small sites was too much that we had to exclude some kinds of occupancies/ developments because the City asks for too much parking (and the setbacks limited the building size and width facing a main street). The City's zoning is often at odds with what they claim to want, part of which is that they don't go through the actual process of seeing what their zoning would permit on the given sites to see if perhaps developers need to request zoning variances, etc... End of my rant.
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On a side note I was helping with a project elsewhere in the City, and the amount of parking required for even small sites was too much that we had to exclude some kinds of occupancies/ developments because the City asks for too much parking (and the setbacks limited the building size and width facing a main street). The City's zoning is often at odds with what they claim to want, part of which is that they don't go through the actual process of seeing what their zoning would permit on the given sites to see if perhaps developers need to request zoning variances, etc... End of my rant.
A cynical person would think that the zoning is deliberately 'low' in intensity so that the City could get zoning application fees all the time.

As well, the zoning is not that detailed in many areas where the zoning may allow density etc but sometimes the lot sizes don't result in good developments based on the permitted setbacks/height and that is when the City pushes back saying 'yes, the zoning wasn't really intended for that type of development on that lot'. Frustrating to say the least.
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You can see the site in the picture below above the underconstruction building with the crane.

Source: Parkdale Market
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Planning committee slows down high-rise application in Hintonburg

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May 12, 2022 • 1 hour ago • 4 minute read


Leiper took issue with the developer also applying the nine-storey maximum to the old theatre property at the corner of Hamilton Avenue, with the density shifted to the tower portion of the plan. He also questioned the vehicular exits from the site, considering the heavy traffic already in the area.

The development would have 212 units and 139 underground parking spots.

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General "traffic" issues is typical NIMBY vagary. Almost all development generates traffic. Development close to a main street and LRT station generates less. We want to densify, so why is it so hard to accept development close to a main street and LRT station. The proposed development parking ratio isn't even that bad (0.65 per unit including visitor parking). Don't get me wrong, I'd like the parking numbers to be a little lower, but its not unreasonably high.

What really confuses me is that Leiper apparently questioned the vehicular exits from the site. I can't understand this. What does he mean?? The buildings parking garage (and loading) exits onto the lane to the rear of the site. From their you can exit either via Hamilton or Parkdale. That is an optimal access strategy: no new curb cuts, distributes traffic to two streets that provide multiple ways to reach the site. Where else do you want them to put the access, on Wellington!!?

My guess is Leiper wants them to close off the ability for cars to access their parking garage to/from Hamilton (because I believe he lives on Hamilton), but that's not how lanes work Jeff. You're in an urban area, deal with it.
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The residents of Ottawa's core need to evolve from this NIMBY, car-oriented mindset. A dense, well serviced neighbourhood does not increase traffic in the core; building miles and miles of suburbs in the middle of nowhere does. Suburbanites have no choice but to drive in to access work, restaurants, entertainment etc. Those are the people clogging up your streets, not people (typically young folks) living and working in the area.
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The residents of Ottawa's core need to evolve from this NIMBY, car-oriented mindset. A dense, well serviced neighbourhood does not increase traffic in the core; building miles and miles of suburbs in the middle of nowhere does. Suburbanites have no choice but to drive in to access work, restaurants, entertainment etc. Those are the people clogging up your streets, not people (typically young folks) living and working in the area.
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I used to live in East Market Lofts. Huge parking garage, hundreds of units. My balcony was right above the garage entrance. I can tell you with absolute conviction that condos do not create traffic issues. One car every few minutes during rush house, maybe a few an hour at other times.
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^ 2 comments above are on point.
People who claim that condos in high density areas create traffic issues are on par with flat earthers.
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