Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Phil McAvity

Obama had a traumatic childhood? That's news to me

We've had a building boom here in Victoria for years so city council here is at least getting that right

How do you propose to "cool the housing market and prevent demovictions"?

"Keep them off the streets while they're still human and before they turn into junkies, and that’s half the problem solved" I don't think you have any idea how addiction works but drug addicts care about getting their next high more than rent, more than loved ones, more than food, more than money, more than housing, more than anything so to think you can house people like that is absurd, there are too far gone by that point

The BC Liberals announced they would reopen Riverview 7 years ago and it still hasn't happened so what are the NDP doing in the meantime? Since they took over in 2017 the problem has grown exponentially

Yeah, the irony is pretty funny.

Raised by a single mother, hung with a bad crowd, has a history of exposure to racism and coped with substance abuse. By certain standards, Obama should never have amounted to anything.

Public or social housing, mass rezoning approvals, bylaws to protect or compensate tenants. All levels of government say they want affordable housing, but all Victoria and Ottawa give us is condos, interest rates and homeowner grants.
Read that blurb again: "while" and “before.” House them while they’re still semi-functional citizens and haven’t turned to hard drugs or crime yet.

The NDP added 105 beds in 2019, a net increase of... 11. They definitely need to move faster.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

I see a lot of people who creepily enjoy focusing on these issues and saying over and over and over again that the sky is falling. Maybe they’re the ones in need of friends, to get out of the house, and realize that the problem’s not everything they’re blowing it up to be.

Must be those creepy business owners at it again. Don't they have anything better to do than to sell their business popular with thieves?

https://www.straight.com/food/no-mas-lat...victimized-by-break-ins-lists-for-165000

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Phil McAvity

Obama had a traumatic childhood? That's news to me



We've had a building boom here in Victoria for years so city council here is at least getting that right

How do you propose to "cool the housing market and prevent demovictions"?

"Keep them off the streets while they're still human and before they turn into junkies, and that’s half the problem solved" I don't think you have any idea how addiction works but drug addicts care about getting their next high more than rent, more than loved ones, more than food, more than money, more than housing, more than anything so to think you can house people like that is absurd, there are too far gone by that point



The BC Liberals announced they would reopen Riverview 7 years ago and it still hasn't happened so what are the NDP doing in the meantime? Since they took over in 2017 the problem has grown exponentially

Well said, Phil!

[Vin]

Originally Posted by logan5

I said that the problems with drug users or homeless in Mt. Pleasant is concentrated around Main and Broadway area. Once you get a few blocks north or south on Main, things are fine. There are a few steady panhandlers outside a few of the corner stores, but they don't do drugs out in the open, and they never bother people. That's a fact.

Any person who feels frightened in Mt. Pleasant should not be living in any urban environment in any city then, because this neighbourhood is just as safe as any densely populated neighbourhood in Canada.

Vin, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about. As well as a few others who are just trying to paint as bleak a picture as possible.

Hey, I'm in no position to judge you for accepting the worsening situation in this city . If you like having your next generation growing up and putting up with junkies and lawlessness, then so be it. Of course, as usual I don't know wtf I'm talking about, but you very well do. So congrats on your achievement.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews....-third-homicide-2022-fatal-stabbing/amp/

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...main-street-businesses-in-mount-pleasant

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Some parts of Scandinavia actually have some pretty serious social problems. But they're not related to this.

Yeah, you are 100% correct on all your points. Already five years ago the sweet old Sweden had over 50 literal no-go zones where police and emergency services only go with huge backup. As shitty as Vancouver is turning into, at least that is not the case anywhere in here.

But like you say, things there have no relation to here, so it is irrelevant to this discussion.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Vin

Hey, I'm in no position to judge you for accepting the worsening situation in this city . If you like having your next generation growing up and putting up with junkies and lawlessness, then so be it. Of course, as usual I don't know wtf I'm talking about, but you very well do. So congrats on your achievement.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews....-third-homicide-2022-fatal-stabbing/amp/

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...main-street-businesses-in-mount-pleasant

https://www.burnabynow.com/opinion/opini...-i-got-spit-on-and-so-im-leaving-5082508

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/37-arrests-almost-...ver-2-days-in-burnaby-rcmp-say-1.5881107

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/woman-shoved-in-un...metrotown-police-investigating-1.5824431

https://globalnews.ca/news/8524957/b-c-metrotown-stabbing-victim-suspect-relationship/

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/burnaby-metrotown-change-room-voyeur

https://bc-cb.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=2136&languageId=1&contentId=74104

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/357799/...g-packages-in-his-own-apartment-building

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Vin

Hey, I'm in no position to judge you for accepting the worsening situation in this city . If you like having your next generation growing up and putting up with junkies and lawlessness, then so be it. Of course, as usual I don't know wtf I'm talking about, but you very well do. So congrats on your achievement.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews....-third-homicide-2022-fatal-stabbing/amp/

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...main-street-businesses-in-mount-pleasant

The stats show Vancouver is a safer place than Burnaby. In fact Burnaby is declining much faster than Vancouver.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cit...=Burnaby&country2=Canada&city2=Vancouver

[Phil McAvity]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Yeah, the irony is pretty funny.

Raised by a single mother, hung with a bad crowd, has a history of exposure to racism and coped with substance abuse. By certain standards, Obama should never have amounted to anything.

Nothing you said in that came close to "trauma", it all sounds like a fairly normal childhood/youth except for being raised by a single mom which only put him at a bit of a disadvantage

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Public or social housing, mass rezoning approvals, bylaws to protect or compensate tenants. All levels of government say they want affordable housing, but all Victoria and Ottawa give us is condos, interest rates and homeowner grants.

Like I said, there's been a building boom going on close to 20 years here in Victoria all the while the opiod epidemic has exploded which also disproves your notion that housing is the problem because using your logic, the building boom (which has overwhelmingly been residential) should have housed all those addicts, yet the opposite has happened

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Read that blurb again: "while" and “before.” House them while they’re still semi-functional citizens and haven’t turned to hard drugs or crime yet.

Many of them housed themselves before they got into drugs, it's the drugs that made them impossible to house so I have no idea what your point is, addicts aren't interested in housing, they're interested in drugs

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Phil McAvity

Nothing you said in that came close to "trauma", it all sounds like a fairly normal childhood/youth except for being raised by a single mom which only put him at a bit of a disadvantage

Like I said, there's been a building boom going back close to 20 years here in Victoria all the while the opiod epidemic has exploded which also disproves your notion that housing is the problem because using your logic, the building boom (which has overwhelmingly been residential) should have housed all those addicts, yet the opposite has happened


Many of them housed themselves before they got into drugs, it's the drugs that made them impossible to house so I have no idea what your point is, addicts aren't interested in housing, they're interested in drugs

I must've missed the part where Reagan and Clinton turned to coke as a coping mechanism.

And yet Victoria's the 16th least affordable city in the world and vacancy rates are at 1% this year. Guess the boom was either insufficient or mostly condo towers, just like Metro Van.

That's a chicken-or-egg dilemma: did they turn to drugs before or after being homeless? Given that there's more than a few addicts with jobs and fixed addresses, yet the only problem cases are homeless or sheltered, it's evidently "after."

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Vin

Correction:
"I see a lot of people who creepily enjoy dismissing these issues and saying over and over and over again that Vancouver doesn't have a serious problem"

I suppose these people also think that downtown core business owners and the VPD are nothing but lousy creeps:
VPD responds to rising crime in downtown core
https://vpd.ca/news/2021/09/16/vpd-respo...0safety%20in%20the%20community.%E2%80%9D

I actually don't enjoy any part of this discussion and I'm certainly not the person obsessed with posting about this topic everyday.

There is a problem, more needs to be done, and this thread does absolutely nothing to help or change anything, especially when many of the so-called "solutions" are just angry venting in favour of an emotional authoritarian crackdown.

Use your passion to actually do something, instead of just complaining. That would be a much more productive and respectable.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by logan5

The stats show Vancouver is a safer place than Burnaby. In fact Burnaby is declining much faster than Vancouver.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cit...=Burnaby&country2=Canada&city2=Vancouver

The holy sanctity of Burnaby has been breached.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Yeah, you are 100% correct on all your points. Already five years ago the sweet old Sweden had over 50 literal no-go zones where police and emergency services only go with huge backup. As shitty as Vancouver is turning into, at least that is not the case anywhere in here.

But like you say, things there have no relation to here, so it is irrelevant to this discussion.

It seems like this is more right-wing fear-mongering, not based in reality.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sweden-crime-no-go-zone-police/

[giallo]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

I actually don't enjoy any part of this discussion and I'm certainly not the person obsessed with posting about this topic everyday.

There is a problem, more needs to be done, and this thread does absolutely nothing to help or change anything, especially when many of the so-called "solutions" are just angry venting in favour of an emotional authoritarian crackdown.

Use your passion to actually do something, instead of just complaining. That would be a much more productive and respectable.

I'm sort of regretting bringing up my experiences here.

As someone that has been away for awhile, and has noticed a decline in Vancouver's public realm, I wanted to share my thoughts and observations. It certainly wasn't meant to give oxygen to people so they can shit on the mentally ill and addicted.

The sky isn't falling in Vancouver, but the situation is definitely worse than it's been in recent memory. There are a lot of people suffering in these streets, and it's really sad to witness on a daily basis.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by logan5

The stats show Vancouver is a safer place than Burnaby. In fact Burnaby is declining much faster than Vancouver.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cit...=Burnaby&country2=Canada&city2=Vancouver

Must be all of the malls. They attract the wrong element. What a shithole.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Use your passion to actually do something, instead of just complaining. That would be a much more productive and respectable.

I was told City staff, elected officials, and the VPD all monitored this thread for ideas and implemented the ones that got posted the most. Is this not true?

[logan5]

Originally Posted by giallo

I'm sort of regretting bringing up my experiences here.

You didn’t start anything. There a couple anti city/pro suburb lobbyists here that have been going on for years.

My main point was that compared to any inner city neighbourhood in Canada, Mt. Pleasant is safe. In fact safer than many suburban areas. Then it spiralled from there.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by logan5

You didn’t start anything. There a couple anti city/pro suburb lobbyists here that have been going on for years.

My main point was that compared to any inner city neighbourhood in Canada, Mt. Pleasant is safe. In fact safer than many suburban areas. Then it spiralled from there.

Not quite Mt Pleasant but close - I worked late and stopped at Wendy to grab something to eat last night on Cambie and 8th. They've got that little patio on the north side of the building with a weirdly open area underneath. It was literally brimming with homeless: carts, walkers shooting up, the whole gamut. It never used to be like that. I was shocked the franchisee hasn't blocked it off.

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Must be all of the malls. They attract the wrong element. What a shithole.

I'd blame it on Skytrain.. there's always been issues around stations (typically above ground).. and Burnaby has more than anywhere else.

Ron.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by NewfBC

I'd blame it on Skytrain.. there's always been issues around stations (typically above ground).. and Burnaby has more than anywhere else.

Ron.

I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Hilarious.

[hollywoodnorth]

'Creative' plan coming to address repeat property offenders, B.C. minister says

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/creative-plan-comi...ty-offenders-b-c-minister-says-1.5887879


I'm hearing that the 'creative' plan will involve Whore-again spanking anyone who is a repeat offender. Just like Santa they are gonna set up a display area at Hastings & Main and anyone who is one of the repeat offenders will have to have 2 or 3 spanks on the buttocks from the man himself Whore-again each time they commit a crime!

I am a huge fan of this plan. this will give us the change we have all been clamouring for. Also it will get Whore-again's rocks off. Win-win.