Austin | 318 Colorado | ~450 Feet | 40 Floors | Proposed - Page 6

ahealy · #**101** Posted **May 3, 2022, 7:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sigaven

They really need a 2nd level to accomodate more nightclub space. Every good bar/club downtown has good patio space which will be nonexistent at the new Oil Cans with this new proposal. They should have space between the roof of the bars and the parking garage to allow for some rooftop outdoor space.

Agreed. I feel like the garage can be tinkered with to accommodate for that. A great example is 2nd Bar + Kitchen with that upstairs patio.

I thought I read they were doubling the outdoor space though....which confused the hell out of me. I wonder when we'll see the rest of the building. I feel like that's gonna make or break this with the public.

Jdawgboy · #**102** Posted **May 4, 2022, 7:42 PM**

Anyone know what time this meeting is, I'm at City Hall now, gonna run errands but if its around 3 to 5pm time frame I'll go in.

Urbannizer · #**103** Posted **May 4, 2022, 7:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

Anyone know what time this meeting is, I'm at City Hall now, gonna run errands but if its around 3 to 5pm time frame I'll go in.

The meeting begins at 6pm.

Jdawgboy · #**104** Posted **May 4, 2022, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urbannizer

The meeting begins at 6pm.

Okay.. Thanks

Jdawgboy · #**105** Posted **May 4, 2022, 11:32 PM**

I'm at the meeting, although I can only stay for a certain amount of time. Hopefully they will get to it soon. Right now they are talking about fences...

Urbannizer · #**106** Posted **May 5, 2022, 1:40 AM**

HLC is recommending historical zoning, deciding on all structures or just 211-213 W 4th.

Urbannizer · #**107** Posted **May 5, 2022, 2:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

I'm at the meeting, although I can only stay for a certain amount of time. Hopefully they will get to it soon. Right now they are talking about fences...

I was there as well! They pulled the item up to be discussed first. Hearing began around 7:00 and wrapped up about two hours later.

The recommendation is for all structures.

#**108** Posted **May 5, 2022, 4:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urbannizer

I was there as well! They pulled the item up to be discussed first. Hearing began around 7:00 and wrapped up about two hours later.

The recommendation is for all structures.

When the HLC started eating out of Richard Suttle's hand I had to check out, but it looks like us citizens will be expected to dip into our pocketbook again for his client and also to kiss historic 6th Street goodbye.

Hopefully someone who saw the entire meeting can tell me I was mistaken in my assumption.

Jdawgboy · #**109** Posted **May 5, 2022, 4:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urbannizer

I was there as well! They pulled the item up to be discussed first. Hearing began around 7:00 and wrapped up about two hours later.

The recommendation is for all structures.

I left around 715, wish I could have stayed longer but I'm glad I went regardless.

Jdawgboy · #**110** Posted **May 5, 2022, 4:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by smallfrie

When the HLC started eating out of Richard Suttle's hand I had to check out, but it looks like us citizens will be expected to dip into our pocketbook again for his client and also to kiss historic 6th Street goodbye.

Hopefully someone who saw the entire meeting can tell me I was mistaken in my assumption.

Are you talking about that man who spoke about 6th right before? I don't know who he was.

#**111** Posted **May 5, 2022, 4:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

Are you talking about that man who spoke about 6th right before? I don't know who he was.

Yes, he's the zoning lawyer who seemingly gets our property taxes to be given to his private equity (developer) clients. You can call it a TIF or TIRZ if you'd like.

Tyrone Shoes · #**112** Posted **May 5, 2022, 4:23 PM**

So.....after last night I am assuming that Hanover 4th & Colorado Residential is dead in the water.

chinchaaa · #**113** Posted **May 5, 2022, 4:43 PM**

can anyone explain why OCH seems to think they'll be forced out in a few years due to the historic designation? I don't understand that part

H2O · #**114** Posted **May 5, 2022, 4:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoes

So.....after last night I am assuming that Hanover 4th & Colorado Residential is dead in the water.

Not necessarily. The HLC still has to vote on the designation. It then gets forwarded to the Planning Commission for their recommendation and Council makes the final decision.

H2O · #**115** Posted **May 5, 2022, 4:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by chinchaaa

can anyone explain why OCH seems to think they'll be forced out in a few years due to the historic designation? I don't understand that part

The current owner / landlord wants to raise the rent because the market allows it and they need to pay their property taxes. If the property is not designated historic the current property owner will sell to Hanover and Hanover will cut a deal with OCH. Basically it is the new denser development subsidizing the beloved cultural asset. IMHO we should encourage such things and hope to get more of it in the future rather than fighting it.

#**116** Posted **May 5, 2022, 4:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by chinchaaa

can anyone explain why OCH seems to think they'll be forced out in a few years due to the historic designation? I don't understand that part

https://www.kut.org/austin/2022-05-0...rs-development

Rising property taxes not matter what will force them out he says, unless they can get that nice deal with the developer.

In my wild-guess opinion that HPL vote per se has basically zero effect on the future, right now it's just a kick-the-can vote for a month while forces assemble.

The ATX · #**117** Posted **May 5, 2022, 8:04 PM**

The HLC has no authority. They are just an advisory board that makes recommendations to the City.

ATX2030 · #**118** Posted **Jun 3, 2022, 12:54 AM**

Historic Landmark Commission does not recommend historic zoning for Fourth Street properties

https://www.kut.org/business/2022-06...eet-properties

By Marisa Charpentier
Published June 2, 2022 at 5:00 PM CDT

The buildings that house LGBTQ+ bars on West Fourth and Colorado streets in downtown Austin aren’t getting historic zoning — at least not for now. But it appears the buildings won’t be totally demolished as developers seek to build a high-rise on the block.

Syndic · #**119** Posted **Jun 3, 2022, 3:35 AM**

Wow, that's kind of surprising. If they do reserve a retail space for Oil Can Harry, I'd love to see some rent controls put in place so the developer isn't just paying lip service until OCH goes out of business due to not being able to afford the exorbitant rent.

We vs us · #**120** Posted **Jun 3, 2022, 4:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Syndic

Wow, that's kind of surprising. If they do reserve a retail space for Oil Can Harry, I'd love to see some rent controls put in place so the developer isn't just paying lip service until OCH goes out of business due to not being able to afford the exorbitant rent.

They’ve done that, I think. Offered OCH a ten or fifteen year lease. Something in that range.