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[esquire]

On the club seat thing, if they need more, then what is preventing TNSE from moving the club seats over to between the faceoff circles on one side? It's not like existing Bud Lounge is really any kind of big deal, it's just a bar like any other in the building. They could turn the concession area behind centre ice along one side of the rink into a similar club "lounge" and make the Bud Lounge area regular seating.

CLC has fewer lower bowl seats but it has fewer of everything, because it's a smaller building. They offset that by charging fairly steep prices in the upper level.

As for the draft, it's higher profile in terms of TV coverage, but in reality it would be no more significant than any other major convention that comes to Winnipeg each year. I mean it's nice, but you don't have to move mountains to accommodate what amounts to a long weekend's worth of convention activities.

[blueandgoldguy]

Originally Posted by esquire

On the club seat thing, if they need more, then what is preventing TNSE from moving the club seats over to between the faceoff circles on one side? It's not like existing Bud Lounge is really any kind of big deal, it's just a bar like any other in the building. They could turn the concession area behind centre ice along one side of the rink into a similar club "lounge" and make the Bud Lounge area regular seating.

CLC has fewer lower bowl seats but it has fewer of everything, because it's a smaller building. They offset that by charging fairly steep prices in the upper level.

As for the draft, it's higher profile in terms of TV coverage, but in reality it would be no more significant than any other major convention that comes to Winnipeg each year. I mean it's nice, but you don't have to move mountains to accommodate what amounts to a long weekend's worth of convention activities.

I don't know. Which major conventions are we talking about? Would they draw that many out-of-towners as compared to the NHL draft?

The narrowness of the building I think prevents them from having private walled-off club areas between the faceoff circles in what is now the general concession areas AND allowing flow of non-club attendees behind these club areas to allow full 360 degree access to the concourses. I think that is where small footprint of the building is a detriment. It's like what?....40 feet from the windows looking out at the streets to the portals leading to the seats. That's not nearly enough space for both enclosed club areas that are reasonably spacious and traffic flow of non-club attendees in the lower bowl.

If event level was 25 feet below the street I think they could fit a mezzanine club area on both sides of the rink between the event level and street level, but it's not...it's 19 feet. Even if it was 25 feet, I'm not sure it would be feasible anyways.

I'm sure there are some season ticket holders/corporate that are tired of paying 7,000 dollar per seat per season for cramped seating with fewer points of sales, fewer washroom fixtures per seat than all the newer arenas in the league. It is something I think they will want to address in some way in the next decade.

Anyways, it's a bit of a moot point as I think we will have to wait and see how things go with the team financially over the next few years. As you mentioned, the team is not selling out probably from a combination of COVID caution and a disappointing season. We will see how things shake out over the coming years.

As of right now, the team has only made the playoffs 4 of 11 seasons in Winnipeg. They really don't appear to be any better than Jets 1.0 considering all the advantages they enjoy that the first incarnation did not.

[thurmas]

I don't think they would build a new arena when so much as been put into true north square. I could see a big renovation similar to what the rangers did with msg and maybe have the Jets relocate to stoon until the renovation are complete.

[esquire]

What kind of renovation would require a year long shutdown considering that the rink is not even 20 years old and has been under near-constant renovation for the last decade plus?

There is no way to expand the building. They're stuck with what they've got. I guess if they're really hard up for space they could give Moxie's the boot the way that Tim Horton's got booted from the concourse area, and open up a ton of club lounge space that way, and maybe expand the cramped team store a little. I would even argue that the Exchange restaurant in the basement is kind of wasted space the way it is right now. They could put that space to much better use.

As far as the draft goes, it would not be the only major convention to come to Winnipeg with hundreds if not thousands of out of town attendees. There were some every year prior to covid. It's just a high profile one because of the extensive coverage it gets. I mean, it would be great to attract the draft but it's just one of X number of big conventions to happen here as opposed to a one-time only total game changer of an event.

[pegcityboy]

Well Esquire you kind of are Kreskin with your previous comments , Moxies has been bought out by True North and will be vacating their space before next season , haven’t been told what TN is planning for the space but an expanded Jets Gear store is probably part of it . True North is renovating the event level space this summer as well . Canada Life Centre lowerbowl plus boxes has 8896 seats .

[esquire]

^ That's a good idea by TNSE. The concourse was more than big enough for the typical lower bowl only crowds at Moose games from 2004-2011, so it made sense to have the Tim's and Moxies there. But they clearly need the space for other purposes now. And Moxie's is not the draw it once was with so many other options nearby.

Getting the restaurant out of that space along Portage will allow them to really enhance the more arena-oriented functions in the building. Nice to hear the event level is getting a makeover too, you go down to the Exchange Restaurant and it's still 2004, old Moose colours from that era and everything down there. You half expect to see Lee Goren and Nolan Baumgartner pop out from behind a curtain in green Moose uniforms.

[blueandgoldguy]

Unreal. The Jets gave Chevy a 3-year extension.

For what exactly, I do not know.

[esquire]

The trajectory of this team is spectacular.

From late 2017 to early 2019 - legit Stanley Cup contender
Mid 2019 to mid 2021 - solid team with a few wrinkles that need to be ironed out
Mid 2021 onward - freefall

With all due respect to Dennis Beyak and his remarks at the end of the game last night, it's time for a full on rebuild. This is a mess that needs to be salvaged and at this point the club is throwing good money after bad.

[bomberjet]

Chevy has done decently well over the years. Would be interesting to know exactly what has been going on in the room. Obviously there's something lingering for years. Tough spot for a GM when the owner might not be letting him make the moves.

But their blind loyalty (see Athletic article) is their fault. Maurice had to fire himself ffs lol

[esquire]

Chevy did a good job building the team up to about 2018. But the incredible situation that has unfolded since then where two of the team's most elite and exciting players have checked out (Buff and Laine), one has his foot out the door (Scheifele), the coach up and quit and the team's leader is in some terminally miserable state (Wheeler) is on him.

It's one thing to go out and get the players, but when your dressing room turns into some horrifically dysfunctional workplace, then that's your responsibility too. How did it ever get so bad?

[bomberjet]

Totally.. Buff's departure, IMO, has had the biggest effect on the team. You can basically never replace a guy like that.

[bomberjet]

Seravalli says Jets are overhauling coaching staff. Wade Flaherty to remain as goalie coach.

[thebasketballgeek]

The Flames were in our exact same situation last year what caused them to have such a massive turnaround and would we be able to replicate that with our existing talent?

[wags_in_the_peg]

all coaches but Flaherty are gone. so happy to see Huddy go, he's been there since day 1 and our D core have struggled since day 1

[GreyGarden]

I'll believe it when I see it. Chevy didn't specifically rule out Lowry and the others. I suspect behind closed doors they are ruled out, but with this organization you just never know.

[Jammon]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

all coaches but Flaherty are gone. so happy to see Huddy go, he's been there since day 1 and our D core have struggled since day 1

Yeah. Definitely happy to see some changes in coaching. I was tired of our defensive systems, or lack of them. Will be interesting to see who our replacement is. Also sounds like Scheifele is gone. Yesterday's presser between Scheif and Stastny was interesting. Hard to believe Stastny's comments were directed at anyone but Scheifele. I realized yesterday that Scheif is actually a selfish player. I had always wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt because I liked him so much as a player, but I was really disappointed in his attitude and his play this season.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

But their blind loyalty (see Athletic article) is their fault. Maurice had to fire himself ffs lol

Maurice having to essentially beg to leave the team is telling. The blind loyalty though has me very concerned about who the next head coach will be. I jokingly sent someone a banner of the retired player names hanging from the roof in CLC saying it is a "leak of the shortlist for the new head coach". The scary part is Caryle's name is hanging from the ceiling. Randy obviously got his pro coaching start in Winnipeg under True North before landing in Anaheim and taking their team to a cup win. There was lots of early Moose marketing build around him as a coach showing players the way to play Winnipeg's game or similar. As Caryle is currently not under contract as a head coach I would truly be shocked if the Jets aren't being pushed to have him on the legit short list and that he could be the stalking horse that others are going to need to beat to land the job.

As a fan I am not sure if it is the right move for the team to be making but it is a move that is straight out of the True North front office playbook.

[The Unknown Poster]

Bruce B was right there for the taking. Maurice wanted out after last season and Chevy convinced him to stay (partially why Lowry was hired, apparently). Insane.

Anyway, they should take a long hard look at Bruce B since Vancouver is dissing him. And James Patrick should get a solid look too. Those two would be very different choices with different pros and cons. Bruce being the safe choice but Patrick could be the next hot NHL coach.

It feels like Jets management really neglects the culture of the team and locker room issues. They deny deny deny even when we know. Kane asked for a trade every year and was a major problem and Chevy shrugged until Buff threw him off the team. Laine basically pointed the finger at Wheeler and Sheif and Wheeler even took blame. Reportedly Sheif wouldnt play with Laine.

Ehlers gets shafted because Wheeler is glued to the 1RW spot.

Scheif seemed to sulk even more when PLD was brought in rather then enjoying a deeper team. And PLD saying he has things to consider, you really wonder if he means leadership of the team. Trade Sheif for a huge haul (if he's a problem) and build around PLD, Connor, Ehlers, Josh and the other young players

[esquire]

Originally Posted by The Unknown Poster

Anyway, they should take a long hard look at Bruce B since Vancouver is dissing him. And James Patrick should get a solid look too. Those two would be very different choices with different pros and cons. Bruce being the safe choice but Patrick could be the next hot NHL coach.

James Patrick —, he is an idiot and his NHL playing and coaching accomplishments are vastly overstated. The players all hate him and TNSE should give him a wide berth.

Any suggestion that I am saying this in hopes that he will remain with the ICE next season are absurd and I totally deny them.

[bomberjet]

hahaha