Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Atlas]

SCB made a design review submission for 370 S West Temple yesterday. It looks like this is only for the hotel portion. The taller, residential portion of the project is called "390 S West Temple." I'm thinking that 390 might not need a design review since it's on a D-1 corner.

Located in Downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, 370 W Temple is a 148,150 SF 10 story hotel with 209 keys, ground floor restaurant and indoor/outdoor amenity spaces throughout. 370 W Temple draws inspiration from both the surrounding urban context as well as the natural landscape that makes Salt Lake City unique. Its brick layered street front facade is designed to respect the historic street presence through its contextual materiality and rhythmic articulation. Views of the surrounding landscape are maximized with a hotel amenity deck on the 10th floor taking advantage of mountain views to the North.

New renderings:

[LuisPanzer]

Originally Posted by Atlas

SCB made a design review submission for 370 S West Temple yesterday. It looks like this is only for the hotel portion. The taller, residential portion of the project is called "390 S West Temple." I'm thinking that 390 might not need a design review since it's on a D-1 corner.

New renderings:

Does D-1 Corners restrict design or Height, or both?

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by LuisPanzer

I'm kind of new to this, what does D1 Corner mean?

The parcel has D-1 zoning (Downtown-1). This is the least restrictive zone in the SLC code for tall buildings. If the proposed building is on a corner in a D-1 parcel, it can be built to a height of 375 feet without needing to go through a "design review" with the planning commission. If it's not on a corner, the maximum height without design review is 100 feet. With approval from the planning commission, there is no height restriction in D-1.

Since the taller building in this case is ~313 feet and it's on a corner, it doesn't need to go through design review (same for Convexity Tower at 335 feet). The hotel at 370 S West Temple is shown to be ~117 feet tall and it's not on a corner, so it has to be approved by the planning commission. The PC is supposed to rubber stamp these kinds of projects if they feel that the proposed building meets SLC's written design standards.

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by Atlas

SCB made a design review submission for 370 S West Temple yesterday. It looks like this is only for the hotel portion. The taller, residential portion of the project is called "390 S West Temple." I'm thinking that 390 might not need a design review since it's on a D-1 corner.

Couldn't help but notice the Kimpton nameplate on the hotel. If it holds, it will be the 2nd Kimpton in SLC. Great properties all of them. Not much is being said about our current hotel explosion. I think the CCH has proven to be a self-fulfilling prophecy, drawing much larger conventions and really opening up the market. This project, CCH, Regent Hotel and UP Depot. Not sure we've ever seen anything like this in SLC. Huge for downtown.

[mstar]

Atlas, does anything in the new docs for 370 or 390 West Temple indicate that construction is imminent?

[Utah_Dave]

I was driving through Lehi yesterday and noticed the large parking lots at the office buildings on either side of I-15 were only about 20% full. Not a great sign for commercial growth

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by mstar

Atlas, does anything in the new docs for 370 or 390 West Temple indicate that construction is imminent?

The building permit for 390 is still being reviewed and there's been activity recently. I don't think they have to wait for 370 to get approved (probably a couple months out) but I could be wrong.

Could be as soon as within a month or two.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Marvland

PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. Retail is risky. Why add urban living stuff when you can monetize walkways and retail spaces as crappy wood framed apartments much easier? A shining example of our current local developers.

I really thought it had the potential to develop into a mini-Union State like in Denver.

2008:



Now:



This is why I don't have faith in the Rio Grande development - or why I've been discouraged with the old GreekTown area. There's no actual urban living to any of these developments. To me, they're no different than the higher density stuff being built out in the suburbs. Just because it's a mid-rise and multi-family does not mean it's urban.

There's no neighborhood. It might as well just be a gated community.

[Ironweed]

Originally Posted by LuisPanzer

Does D-1 Corners restrict design or Height, or both?

This is a nice looking project.

Let's hope it puts pressure on land banker Bamberger to sell off the massive parking lots to the north.

I also wouldn't mind razing the Fairfield Inn and the ugly building on the corner. Replace them with something more substantial.

Fun to see the progress!

[airhero]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Yup. It's a dead area. Very unfortunate because it had the potential to be one of the more urban and active neighborhoods in the city.

It’s probably been over a year since last time I ranted about Salt Development so this seems like the perfect opportunity. Their stuff doesn’t look good. I thought when I saw the renderings of Hardware Village initially that maybe they don’t have street level retail but at least they’ll look great. Then they turned this:


Into this:



They’re no better than Cowboy Partners. I do think we have a couple promising local developers but the sheer amount of garbage being built and the lack of urgency from the city to do anything about it is discouraging.

[airhero]

I quite like 370 South. I only kinda like 390 South. Overly wide, not super inspiring, but not ugly. I’m curious what’s going on at street level.

[delts145]

I didn't realize until I saw this rendering how large the new Capitol offices/museum was going to be. I really like how they faithfully mirrored the historic architecture.
Utah's Capitol Complex is definitely going to be one of the most beautiful in the nation.

By: Ben WinslowPosted - Apr 11, 2022 - https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-...urity-upgrades[/CENTER]

SALT LAKE CITY — Plans are moving forward to build a new state history museum and increase security on Capitol Hill.

The Capitol Preservation Board and architects are finishing designs for the new Museum of Utah, a multi-million dollar facility to replace the old State Office Building and data center that sit north of the Capitol building itself.
Demolition will start this summer.

The design, which will closely mirror the existing Capitol, will also include an area for tour buses to come in and a plaza for people to enjoy

[Orlando]

Wow. That exposed parking garage on the lower levels 2-7 on the tower (390 W. Temple) is HORRENDOUS. I sure hope SLC planning can force them to cover that up.

[freeshavocado]

I'm disappointed in the capitol museum design. I think the two legislative buildings (early 2000s) demonstrate how difficult it is to match the level of design and material in a historic structure like the original capitol building.

A modern, glassy design that would compliment (rather than attempt to match) the capitol building would be a better route.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Comrade

This is why I don't have faith in the Rio Grande development - or why I've been discouraged with the old GreekTown area. There's no actual urban living to any of these developments. To me, they're no different than the higher density stuff being built out in the suburbs. Just because it's a mid-rise and multi-family does not mean it's urban.

There's no neighborhood. It might as well just be a gated community.

The old Greektown area developments are a mixed bag. CINQ and RIO (now called LUMA) are pretty nice projects from a local developer, dbUrban. The Central Station Apartment projects are awful but they should be more affordable. Greenprint Gateway will be hideous but has a couple commercial spaces. Alta Gateway II is bland and has no retail but has a big midblock walkway. Centro Civico phase I is also hideous but phase II will hopefully add some variety to the area. All in all, there are some VE'd boxes but I think it's great for the area that there will soon be 1000+ new residents within a block.

Also, not every street needs to be lined with commercial spaces. For SLC, I think it's important for the main corridors like 200 S, Main, State, 400 S, 300 W, N. Temple, and a few others but having residential side streets is not necessarily a drawback. Look at these streets for example and tell me those are not nice neighborhoods. I honestly think that's what they were going for with parts of the Hardware District. To me it just seems unfinished (and without mature trees) right now:

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As for the Depot District, I am hopeful. With the RDA planning on giving almost all of the land behind the Depot to the University of Utah for the "Innovation District," I think we can expect some really nice projects there. Further, if the Rio Grande Plan gets the green light and the underdeveloped areas surrounding the Depot get the attention that the Point of the Mountain is getting, the sky is the limit for the potential there. It won't be just boxy, low-quality apartments.

Originally Posted by Orlando

Wow. That exposed parking garage on the lower levels 2-7 on the tower (390 W. Temple) is HORRENDOUS. I sure hope SLC planning can force them to cover that up.

Agreed! It was covered in older versions.

[freeshavocado]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Also, not every street needs to be lined with commercial spaces. For SLC, I think it's important for the main corridors like 200 S, Main, State, 400 S, 300 W, N. Temple, and a few others but having residential side streets is not necessarily a drawback.

I somewhat agree. There are already a bunch of empty commercial spaces on major streets that have a lot of surrounding residential. On 300 S, there are at least five empty store fronts between 400 E and 500 E. On 400 S, all of the commercial space at the base of the Quattro is still empty, as is the space in the Avia (though I know some of that is in the process of becoming a food hall). You can't have commercial space in every project on every street when the commercial space on the major streets isn't even filling up.

[Dallas Snob]

When i think of dense residential districts or areas i typically reflect on rows of townhouses such as beacon hill or nyc rowhouses. They all front on the streets, and typically retail is set on the corners such as mom and pop grocery, dry cleaning, etc. If every development had retail on the base, there would be a LOT of empty spaces.

In lieu of this, i would hope developers would be encouraged to create more of that neighborhood interaction at the street level with stairs leading up to second floor entrances, or down to basements or stoops, micro parks, etc.

[Wasatch Wasteland]

Originally Posted by freeshavocado

I'm disappointed in the capitol museum design. I think the two legislative buildings (early 2000s) demonstrate how difficult it is to match the level of design and material in a historic structure like the original capitol building.

A modern, glassy design that would compliment (rather than attempt to match) the capitol building would be a better route.

I think the two legislative buildings are fantastic examples of how to execute neoclassical architecture in this day and age. I respectfully disagree, I think we have far too many glass boxes being constructed currently, and I feel like it would distract from rather than compliment the existing architectural character.

[DCRes]

I've always liked how the ground floor units in parts of the Hardware District have access right to the street. I think these will age well as the area gets built up more and the trees on those streets mature.

[i2theSKY]

Originally Posted by airhero

I quite like 370 South. I only kinda like 390 South. Overly wide, not super inspiring, but not ugly. I’m curious what’s going on at street level.

I would agree with this assessment. It's not offensive, but certainly not inspiring. Also not excited about the open parking deck at the base as Orlando pointed out. On a positive note I'm glad the project is still moving forward, and with 3 additional floors!

I really wish SLC had some width requirements in place. Many of these towers would look so much nicer with a slimmer profile. It would also result in additional height to achieve the desired amount of square footage.