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Old Posted Sep 20, 2021, 1:23 AM
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But none of these Victorian features you like exist, and have not existed for 70 years. No PM ever lived in a a house that looked the way you want it. They would for all intents and purposes be building a replica Victorian house (possibly saving some stones) to try to resemble a century old photograph. It would have all the authenticity of a Disney attraction.

Now maybe there is some merit in building a replica Victorian House, something like Guédelon castle, but nobody is suggesting the President.of France should live at Guédelon.
That's just dumb. Build a replica, if it looks good. What's wrong with a building looking good? When did that become forbidden?

There is plenty of merit of rebuilding this house as a true Victorian house. I don't care if you call it a replica or a pastiche. None of those words would take away the good looks of the building that would result. Jeeeeesus!!
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NCC hunts for funding to fix official residences, including 24 Sussex

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Jan 20, 2022 • 35 minutes ago • 2 minute read




National Capital Commission CEO Tobi Nussbaum says he’s been stressing with federal official the need to fund repairs at Canada’s official residences, including at 24 Sussex Dr.

Nussbaum said the NCC board has made it clear that official residences are a priority.

“I’ve been speaking to contemporaries and counterparts in the Government of Canada to make sure they understand that the board is preoccupied with this file,” Nussbaum said.

“We need the necessary funding in order to make sure that we can keep these very important and historic buildings up to the state that Canadians expect.”

A board update on the official residences was scheduled for Thursday, but the item was part of the non-public agenda.

Talking to reporters in between the public meeting and closed meeting, Nussbaum said the board was to receive an update on the NCC’s efforts to secure funding for the official residences.

The board received an update during a June 2021 meeting that revealed the conditions of the residences. There are over 50 buildings across six official residences and the conditions have become worse since a 2018 condition report, Nussbaum noted.

The 2021 report said the NCC would need $175 million over 10 years to restore all six properties to good condition, plus bring the properties up to standards that satisfy federal accessibility and sustainability legislation.

Of the six residences, the prime minister’s official residence at 24 Sussex was the only one listed in “critical” condition, requiring $36.6 million in work.

Another big-ticket repair bill would come from Rideau Hall at $31 million, but the condition report listed the property in “fair” condition.

The other properties — the prime minister’s country residence at Harrington Lake, Stornoway (home of the official opposition leader), The Farm (home of the House of Commons speaker) and 7 Rideau Gate (official guest residence for foreign officials) — each required between $1 million and $1.5 million in work as of the 2021 report.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been living with his family at Rideau Cottage on the grounds of Rideau Hall since 2015.

The NCC falls under the oversight of Public Services and Procurement Minister Filomena Tassi, whose mandate letter from the prime minister includes advancing work to “rehabilitate and reinvigorate places and buildings of national significance under the responsibility of the NCC” and the ministry.

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I know PMs have been refusing to reno 24 Sussex because it looks bad renovating for "yourself", and Trudeau decided to not live in it to wash his hands of it, but maybe we should continue to force PMs to live in that shit-hole until they beak and fund the darn thing.

The argument that it "looks bad" is nonsensical, because by the time renos are done, the PM who funded the renos will likely be gone.
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17 million a year, and we can't find that in all the pork barrel crap the governments spend on? We aren't talking palaces here, but it would be nice if we as a country took a little bit of pride in these things instead of acting like our government leaders need to live in a roach motel or something. Same thing back when Chretien wouldn't fly on the "Taj Mahal" jet. Like, I didn't talk to one person back then who begrudged the Prime Minister being able to fly in comfort, it's not exactly luxury.
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Trudeau says he's looking at options for the crumbling prime minister's residence at 24 Sussex
A 2021 NCC report said 24 Sussex is in 'critical' condition

Catharine Tunney · CBC News
Posted: Jan 21, 2022 1:09 PM ET | Last Updated: 10 hours ago


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his government continues to assess options for 24 Sussex, the crumbling, mouldy official prime minister's residence that badly needs millions of dollars in repairs.

Trudeau — who has opted to live on the grounds of Rideau Hall with his family since being elected in 2015 — said today that while the home is historic, it's been neglected by generations of prime ministers and is now in terrible condition.

Speaking in French, Trudeau said the government is talking to the National Capital Commission, the Crown corporation that oversees official residences, to decide what to do with the long list of repairs and renovations needed at 24 Sussex, and how to deal with security concerns at the official residence.

A 2021 NCC report said 24 Sussex is in "critical" condition and needs $36.6 million in repairs.

"The building systems at 24 Sussex Drive have reached the point of imminent or actual failure and require replacement," warns the report.

"The age and condition of the electrical systems poses a fire hazard, and the plumbing systems have failures on a regular basis. The building has no permanent air conditioning system; window air conditioners are run in every room in the summer, which poses a security risk and is disruptive and costly. Repairs and/or upgrades are complicated due to the presence of asbestos, lead and mould throughout many of the interior finishes."

The commission said it would need $175 million over 10 years to restore all six official residences — including Stornoway, the official residence for the leader of the Official Opposition, and The Farm, the home of the Speaker in Gatineau Park.

NCC CEO Tobi Nussbaum said he's been trying to make a case to federal officials about the need to fund those repairs.

"I've been speaking to contemporaries and counterparts in the Government of Canada to make sure they understand that the board is preoccupied with this file," Nussbaum told reporters after a board meeting Thursday. The residences were later discussed by the board behind closed doors.

"We need the necessary funding in order to make sure that we can keep these very important and historic buildings up to the state that Canadians expect."

The question of what to do with the 34-room official residence has plagued prime ministers for years.

Trudeau alluded to the issue in a 2018 interview, saying "no prime minister wants to spend a penny of taxpayer dollars on upkeeping that house."

"There's a real challenge in this country. Anything that a prime minister decides that they can potentially benefit from — that's one of the reasons that that house has gone into the ground since the time I lived there," he said.

A recent Toronto Star story showed that Trudeau's years at Rideau Cottage also cost taxpayers money. Documents obtained by the newspaper show Canadians have spent more than $3.6 million on repairs, upgrades and renovation work on Rideau Cottage — without fixing the official residence at 24 Sussex.

Taxpayers already are footing hefty bills for heating, electricity, snow clearing and other maintenance at 24 Sussex.

Trudeau said he has no intention of living in 24 Sussex — the home in which he spent much of his childhood while his father was prime minister.

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Old Posted Jan 22, 2022, 7:19 AM
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I like how being PM for almost 7 years has no impact on the talking points.
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What we really need is an opposition backbencher to bring forward the motion, keep it far away from the current PM because they definitely don't want to touch that
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Maintenance of official residences needs to be depoliticized. Should just be part of the NCC budget. This is getting ridiculous and embarrassing
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Yup, they should pass a unanimous bill flipping over the power and administration of this to NCC or a non-political organization, and having unanimous consent on a vote in the House would send the signal that no politician has vested interest.
Perhaps the lone standouts would be the Bloque Québécois... but who cares about them anyway
Regardless, even if Trudeau would approve a large scale reno or teardown and rebuild, he would not benefit from this (unless he's planning to be PM beyond 2030!)
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2022, 5:31 PM
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Maintenance of official residences needs to be depoliticized. Should just be part of the NCC budget. This is getting ridiculous and embarrassing
It is the politicians that decide how the house gets used, so the NCC would just be maintaining a building at enormous costs for unspecified reasons, which is basically what it is doing now. The fact that it hasn’t really been used as an official residence (the way such properties are normally used) since Mulroney should be a clue.

For the last 5 PMs Rideau Cottage would have been a more suitable residence. Are any foreseeable future PMs going to have a different policy?
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 5:44 PM
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You can learn a lot about Canadian politics by looking at the wreck that is 24 Sussex Drive

The Editorial Board, The Globe and Mail
January 26, 2022 | Published 6 hours ago


To hear the National Capital Commission tell it, 24 Sussex Drive – the official residence of the prime minister in Ottawa – “reflect(s) the nation to Canadians and to foreign visitors.” We couldn’t agree more: The fact that the residence has become a mouldy, rotting, asbestos-filled firetrap that only raccoons and mice could love is a logical result of one well-documented aspect of the national character.

This is a country where a federal politician who betrays a sense of entitlement at taxpayers’ expense, no matter how small, will find themselves looking for other work. Bev Oda, a former Conservative minister who resigned over an expense scandal in 2012, is best remembered for ordering a $16 glass of orange juice at the Savoy Hotel in London in 2011, and not for being the first Japanese-Canadian elected to Parliament.

Canadians simply have no truck with politicians who dip into the public purse for fancy room service, hotel upgrades or home renovations. On the whole, that’s a good, democratic quality. We expect elected officials to watch their pennies, to not treat themselves at taxpayers’ expense, and to never act like they think they are, in the immortal words of David Dingwall, “entitled to my entitlements.”

But when it comes to 24 Sussex Drive, those sound instincts have lurched into madness. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his predecessor, Stephen Harper, have in their own time both been so petrified of triggering voters’ chronic aversion to perceived extravagance that they have unwittingly conspired to let the official home of the head of government of a G7 country decay into what is now Ottawa’s most famous abandoned lot.

Mr. Harper lived there but refused to invest in the needed upgrades, while Mr. Trudeau refused to even move himself and his family into a place that had become a literal firetrap, and a danger to the health of the occupants.

And like his predecessor, he has not authorized the needed repairs on the building. He has also said that he will never live there under any circumstances.

Instead he is encamped in Rideau Cottage, the former home of the governor-general’s private secretary, and has overseen $3.6-million in renovations and security enhancements since he was first elected in 2015.

The NCC, which is responsible for government-owned lands and residences – including Rideau Hall, where the governor-general lives and works – says the bill for the critical maintenance on 24 Sussex that has been deferred for decades has now risen to more than $36-million.

While that estimate seems padded in an Ottawa sort of way, the work itself is undeniably necessary. The ancient electrical wiring is a fire risk, the mechanical systems need replacing, there is lead in the leaky pipes and asbestos in the walls, which are cracked and at risk of falling down. The house is uninhabited because it has become uninhabitable. And it is uninhabitable because of a well-founded fear that the sight of money being spent on rendering it habitable might infuriate voters.

But that failure to act has reached the point where 24 Sussex Drive either gets fixed up, or becomes so dangerous that it is condemned. A prudent Canadian politician recognizes the first of those options as the most politically dangerous.

The silly thing about all of this is that, one way or another, Canadian taxpayers are, and likely always will be, paying for rather swell digs for the sitting prime minister. Rideau Cottage has 22 rooms and 10,000 square feet. It’s no palace, but it’s hardly your average bungalow.

And yet for obvious reasons, Mr. Trudeau knows that if the money spent on Rideau Cottage had been used to instead fix up 24 Sussex, it would have made the news, and not in a good way. Many Canadians would have seen it as personal aggrandizement. Success in politics is often all about knowing your voters.

Canada’s head of government doesn’t need a pile as extravagant as the White House. And yes, there is something charmingly humble about our PM living not in the grandest home in Ottawa, but in a guesthouse on the grounds of the grandest home in Ottawa.

Maybe that’s the long-term – and very Canadian – answer to the question of where the PM should live. But a better solution would be to either fix up 24 Sussex Drive, or knock it down and build anew. Can’t all the parties in Parliament come together and agree to that?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...nadian-politics-by-looking-at-the-wreck/
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Crown corporation proposes a bigger building to replace PM's residence at 24 Sussex
A replacement residence would be better suited to hosting official events, NCC says

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Posted: Apr 21, 2022 6:04 PM ET | Last Updated: 25 minutes ago


The official residence of Canada's prime minister, 24 Sussex Drive, should be replaced as it is not fit to serve as the home of a major world leader, says a new report by the Crown corporation responsible for government buildings in Ottawa.

The report by the National Capital Commission outlines numerous requirements for a new official residence, which likely would be larger than 24 Sussex and better equipped to host high-level visitors and dignitaries.

"Most G7 and Commonwealth leaders receive official visitors in a space dedicated for these purposes. Canada currently lacks such a facility," the report reads.

The residence at 24 Sussex, it continues, "is very limited in its ability to support official functions, with poor accessibility, insufficient sized rooms and lack of support spaces."

The report says the lack of a dedicated hosting space for diplomatic visits and government events has forced the federal government to take an "ad-hoc" approach that includes renting spaces, which presents logistical and security challenges.

CBC News obtained the NCC report through an access to information request. The existence of the document was first reported by the Toronto Star.

The NCC said the document will act as a guide for the planning and design of a future official residence, a project which has not yet started in earnest.

Future studies may examine questions about the location and design of the building.

The residence at 24 Sussex needs $36.6 million in repairs. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his family have never used the property, opting instead to live primarily at nearby Rideau Cottage.

The NCC report shows that "the overall state of the official residences continues to deteriorate due to years of chronic underfunding," NCC spokesperson Dominique Huras told CBC News.

While the report does not include specific architectural plans for a future official residence, it does lay out the dimensions of a building that could serve as both a home to the prime minister and a venue for official events.

The proposed residence would cover more than 15,000 square feet. It would include a 5,352 square foot hosting area that could accommodate up to 125 people.

The residential portion of the proposed building would cover 4,689 square feet.

Those dimensions would make the residence larger and more usable than 24 Sussex Drive, which was built in 1868 and refurbished to become the prime minister's residence in 1950, the report states.

The White House, by comparison, is 56,000 square feet. The official residence of the prime minister of the United Kingdom is 71,400 square feet.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/24-sussex-replacement-plans-1.6426781
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That seems surprisingly modest wrt the residential space (fewer sq ft than at present?). I guess the site imposes some limits on what can be squeezed in.
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That seems surprisingly modest wrt the residential space (fewer sq ft than at present?). I guess the site imposes some limits on what can be squeezed in.
Hoping to squeeze it by a reluctant PMO. Seems unlikely anyway.
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Hoping to squeeze it by a reluctant PMO. Seems unlikely anyway.
It is a bizarre file. The total cost will probably be eye-watering, but at least it would shift the focus from the residence to the official and (probably) security spaces.
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That seems surprisingly modest wrt the residential space (fewer sq ft than at present?). I guess the site imposes some limits on what can be squeezed in.
The residential space is slightly smaller than my parents pre-retirement house was. Definitely modest for a head of state. Amazing considering most live in palaces. Erdogan has 250 private rooms in an 1100 room palace and Turkey has a little less than half of Canada's GDP. The Australian PM lives in a modest normal house though, which would be a more apt comparison I suppose.
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The residential space is slightly smaller than my parents pre-retirement house was. Definitely modest for a head of state. Amazing considering most live in palaces. Erdogan has 250 private rooms in an 1100 room palace and Turkey has a little less than half of Canada's GDP. The Australian PM lives in a modest normal house though, which would be a more apt comparison I suppose.
Okay, I'm being pedantic but the PM is not the Head Of State, they are the Head of the Government. Two different folks.
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Okay, I'm being pedantic but the PM is not the Head Of State, they are the Head of the Government. Two different folks.
I fully accept responsibility for my error. I knew this but it's been a long day
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The residential space is slightly smaller than my parents pre-retirement house was. Definitely modest for a head of state. Amazing considering most live in palaces. Erdogan has 250 private rooms in an 1100 room palace and Turkey has a little less than half of Canada's GDP. The Australian PM lives in a modest normal house though, which would be a more apt comparison I suppose.
I don’t think keeping up with dictators is a good game for a head of government in a democratic country should play.
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Maybe the full text explains this, but I wonder how often in the last 30 years the PM has hosted a 125 person event in Ottawa (that wasn’t purely political like a fundraiser).
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