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whatnext · #**10361** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 5:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The renders of 1477 really dominate the surrounding area. They are feeding the NIMBY trolls on that one I think. Hope it passes.

Uh, that seems a little contradictory. If you think it's so overly dominant why support it? Would you support it next to your condo?

Changing City · #**10362** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Uh, that seems a little contradictory. If you think it's so overly dominant why support it? Would you support it next to your condo?

Because it's the first (of probably several) so it sticks out in a render. That doesn't mean it's 'overly dominant' - that's just your anti-development bias showing again. The Marine Building stuck out like a sore thumb, with lots of big houses really close by, for several years. Now it can be hard to find in an image of Downtown. (No, I'm not comparing the architecture of this building and the Marine Building, just offering a historical example of a tall building in the context of being developed among shorter ones).

WarrenC12 · #**10363** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 5:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Uh, that seems a little contradictory. If you think it's so overly dominant why support it? Would you support it next to your condo?

I just think the renders show it being more dominant than it will. I support it because we need density like this around rapid transit.

If they tear down the 18 story building next to mine and put up a 40 story, I'll be fine with it. The construction period is by far the worst part.

We're not all NIMBYs like you.

whatnext · #**10364** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 5:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

Because it's the first (of probably several) so it sticks out in a render. That doesn't mean it's 'overly dominant' - that's just your anti-development bias showing again. The Marine Building stuck out like a sore thumb, with lots of big houses really close by, for several years. Now it can be hard to find in an image of Downtown. (No, I'm not comparing the architecture of this building and the Marine Building, just offering a historical example of a tall building in the context of being developed among shorter ones).

The first of many? Hardly.

I always find it funny why Strathcona is spared being carpet bombed with these kind of towers when it is so close to downtown. Too many hipsters in those wood frame houses? Pete Fry? It's hard to imagine a more severely of underdeveloped swath of land close to the downtown core.

WarrenC12 · #**10365** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

The first of many? Hardly.

I always find it funny why Strathcona is spared being carpet bombed with these kind of towers when it is so close to downtown. Too many hipsters in those wood frame houses? Pete Fry? It's hard to imagine a more severely of underdeveloped swath of land close to the downtown core.

Of course Broadway is going to densify. Broadway Plan? Skytrain line?

Strathcona is full of heritage houses for starters. But just wait until the new St. Paul's opens up, and Translink considers putting rapid transit down Hastings. Their time will come.

GenWhy? · #**10366** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 6:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

The first of many? Hardly.

I always find it funny why Strathcona is spared being carpet bombed with these kind of towers when it is so close to downtown. Too many hipsters in those wood frame houses? Pete Fry? It's hard to imagine a more severely of underdeveloped swath of land close to the downtown core.

Yes, 1st of many. Developers lined up to build in this Plan area.

Also, Strathcona doesn't have a subway under it and was "carpet bombed" last century covering 10 city blocks and I believe some of the same 50s industrial from residential conversion that occurred in Mount Pleasant Industrial Area. .

whatnext · #**10367** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 7:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Yes, 1st of many. Developers lined up to build in this Plan area.

Also, Strathcona doesn't have a subway under it and was "carpet bombed" last century covering 10 city blocks and I believe some of the same 50s industrial from residential conversion that occurred in Mount Pleasant Industrial Area. .

Who needs a subway from Strathcona, you can walk downtown. Or ride your fixie.

Migrant_Coconut · #**10368** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 7:03 PM**

If one tower on Broadway is out of place, all the more reason to build more towers so it fits right in.

Vin · #**10369** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Who needs a subway from Strathcona, you can walk downtown. Or ride your fixie.

Technically, you can walk to anywhere in the world, except the water bodies.

Getting as many parts of the city connected with good public transportation network should be the aim of all sustainable cities.

The only reason I think Strathcona is not developing is because of the decay of neighbouring DTES. No one is really interested in developing the area, TBH.

cov · #**10370** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 8:02 PM**

Dude is angry that Vancouver is building stuff in a property development discussion board again... at least future is only mad at property development in his neighbourhood. This guy is just full on mad that anything can be different from the way it used to be in the 80s. There is no helping these people.

GenWhy? · #**10371** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 8:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

The only reason I think Strathcona is not developing is because of the decay of neighbouring DTES. No one is really interested in developing the area, TBH.

Zoning and by-laws / area plans are why I can't demo a block and build a profitable multi-family building. No different than anywhere else.

rickvug · #**10372** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Strathcona is full of heritage houses for starters. But just wait until the new St. Paul's opens up, and Translink considers putting rapid transit down Hastings. Their time will come.

I see Strathcona eventually getting a stronger heritage overlay like Conservation Area status. There's true historical value in leaving the core of Vancouver's oldest neighbourhood intact (with most infill still allowed). The lots are so small, difficult to assemble anyhow. I could see a lot of development on the west side of the neighbourhood from Jackson to Chinatown, which was originally bulldozed, and then also along Hastings. Let the core around MacLean Park remain.

GenWhy? · #**10373** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 10:43 PM**

Strathcona will get 2 new Skeena Terrace equivalents once the rebuilding money comes in. Judging by the age of the two areas their time is running out.

Most were started in 1962, so probably see plans for renewal within 5-10 years.

Feathered Friend · #**10374** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 11:01 PM**

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So in other words, this could potentially drag on until next week?

It's possible, but very unlikely. They've managed to get through 61 speakers in around 6 hours, so even another 20 or 30 should be easy to manage on Thursday. The mayor also suggested councillors should be prepared to make a decision that night, instead of at Tuesday's regular council meeting as was first planned.

That said, Councillor Hardwick has been asking a question to virtually every person opposed, which gives each of them roughly five extra minutes to talk. So things could drag on late / be delayed further, which some might say is the intent.

s211 · #**10375** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 11:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Or ride your fixie.

Wearing a mandatory old-timely mustache, no less!

GenWhy? · #**10376** Posted **Apr 20, 2022, 11:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Feathered Friend

It's possible, but very unlikely. They've managed to get through 61 speakers in around 6 hours, so even another 20 or 30 should be easy to manage on Thursday. The mayor also suggested councillors should be prepared to make a decision that night, instead of at Tuesday's regular council meeting as was first planned.

That said, Councillor Hardwick has been asking a question to virtually every person opposed, which gives each of them roughly five extra minutes to talk. So things could drag on late / be delayed further, which some might say is the intent.

I've avoiding this Hearing to avoid depression... what's your gut feel on council's reaction?

Feathered Friend · #**10377** Posted **Apr 21, 2022, 12:12 AM**

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City Duo @City_Duo
After a few rough nights at city hall, Minister David Eby has given the market & moderate income rental homes at 1477 W Broadway a huge boost of support. Will City Council listen? Or will this warning shot go ignored? Add your voice here
https://council.vancouver.ca/20220414/phea20220414ag.htm

5:01 PM · Apr 20, 2022·Twitter Web App

https://twitter.com/City_Duo/status/1516930014280781824?s=20&t=o3XQz4ntElYMsHwQRDIQRw

logan5 · #**10378** Posted **Apr 21, 2022, 12:22 AM**

What do you mean by warning shot?

whatnext · #**10379** Posted **Apr 21, 2022, 12:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by Feathered Friend

https://twitter.com/City_Duo/status/1516930014280781824?s=20&t=o3XQz4ntElYMsHwQRDIQRw

Rather foolish if Eby to wade so strongly into municipal affairs. Of course it’s in Heyman’s riding so he doesn’t care who he’s pisses off there.

Metro-One · #**10380** Posted **Apr 21, 2022, 2:09 AM**

I was going to write a letter of support for this project (I often do for projects in Vancouver) but then decided not to.

Essentially, I am saying “fuck it” this time.

Like, if building a 39 story towers (while towers up to 80 floors are now proposed in the burbs and even Kelowna is building a 42 story tower) on top of a new subway station (a project costing over 3 billion dollars!) on Broadway (which is essentially downtown 2.0) in a city that self proclaims to be green and pushing for more transit use is even a fucking debate to be taken even remotely serious, then fuck it. The city can go fuck itself. This should be no more than giving the morons a chance to complain and then giving this project a unanimous approval the second the last complainer finishes. Oh, and Vancouver is in the middle of an extreme rental and housing affordability crisis. Double fuck it.

Vancouver, your great at fucking youself. Now give the homeless more crack and let them shit on the streets as their human right while protecting the views of mountains by stunting growth downtown and respecting the concerns of assclowns by denying a 39 story tower over a new subway station.

Fuck you.