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They haven't even started putting up scaffolding yet?
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They haven't even started putting up scaffolding yet?
The hotel is currently open.
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The hotel is currently open.
Ah yes I forgot. When is it shutting down?
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Ah yes I forgot. When is it shutting down?
Should be next year, unless something happens. It's not officially reopened as the "Grand Hyatt", but rooms are available.
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I occurred to me how much further than Vanderbilt this tower will extend out on 42nd Street. It will have a high visibility at street level.







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I can't wait for this to come down.
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The Ever-Shrinking Chrysler Building
Thanks to New York's Midtown East rezoning plan, a spate of supertalls are underway that will completely overwhelm the once-dominant Chrysler Building.



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The Manhattan skyline looks drastically different today than a decade ago, long before the emergence of the skewer-like supertalls on Billionaire's Row or the oft-maligned glass fortress of Hudson Yards. One district in particular is gearing up for a drastic--if not gradual--reinvention thanks to amendments to rigid zoning laws championed by former Mayor Bill De Blasio. The Midtown East rezoning plan stipulates that developers can build larger skyscrapers in the neighborhood, long anchored by the Chrysler Building, in exchange for financing transit improvements and public space.

The first new project to benefit from the policy is 270 Park Avenue, a 1,388-foot-tall office tower designed by Foster + Partners and Vishaan Chakrabarti's Practice for Architecture and Urbanism that's slated to be the city's largest all-electric skyscraper when construction wraps in 2025. It replaces the Union Carbide Building, a 52-story International Style tower that critics described as "the incarnation of white-collar America" but became the world's tallest building to be voluntarily demolished despite architecture circles vying for its preservation. Renderings of the replacement depict a hulking glassy tower defined by triangular window bracing and a wedding cake shape that references setbacks typical of traditional Manhattan silhouettes.
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270 Park Avenue is the latest entry into the skyward developer arms race that is heralding an era of change for the area--and dwarfing the Chrysler Building, which once reigned as the city's tallest structure. The 1,401-foot-tall One Vanderbilt turned heads when it was unveiled in late 2020, but will soon sit in the shadows of the recently approved 175 Park Avenue, a behemoth designed by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill that tops out 250 feet higher. Gensler's boxy Tower Fifth, proposed a few blocks north, may become a taller, flashier version of the neighboring 432 Park Avenue. Meanwhile, Vornado Realty is working on securing approvals for the 1,450-foot-tall 350 Park Avenue, also by Foster + Partners.
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The scale of this new construction is largely unprecedented in the city, and if it proceeds as planned, the Chrysler Building will be completely overwhelmed by its colossal neighbors. When the city first announced the Midtown East rezoning plan, the Municipal Art Society was quick to weigh in about the beloved Art Deco skyscraper's fate. "The verifiable photo simulations show how iconic buildings such as the Chrysler Building will not be visible from many vantage points if development occurs as proposed," the organization wrote in 2013.

Developers hardly seem to care: In 2019, Tishman Speyer listed the aging building for a cool $150 million-- $19 million less than the penthouse at 432 Park. Aby Rosen quickly snapped it up and announced an ambitious $200 million revitalization plan that's in progress, but was hamstrung by the pandemic. "It has lost a little bit of its relevance," Rosen says of the building, describing it as an American icon. "But it has not lost its beauty or importance."
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The Ever-Shrinking Chrysler Building
Thanks to New York's Midtown East rezoning plan, a spate of supertalls are underway that will completely overwhelm the once-dominant Chrysler Building.



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I really hope that this is accurate. Crazy Steve Roth acts at the Board Meetings like this is a project for twenty years from now and that he’s only interested in the Penn Station area at the moment:

“… Meanwhile, Vornado Realty is working on securing approvals for the 1,450-foot-tall 350 Park Avenue, also by Foster + Partners.”

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They never include 343 Madison in those renders.
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They never include 343 Madison in those renders.
That was created by one of the forum members. 343 gets included, but isn’t scaled properly enough to stand out.







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I really hope that this is accurate. Crazy Steve Roth acts at the Board Meetings like this is a project for twenty years from now and that he’s only interested in the Penn Station area at the moment:

“… Meanwhile, Vornado Realty is working on securing approvals for the 1,450-foot-tall 350 Park Avenue, also by Foster + Partners.”
Does anyone really believe that a developer would forego Park Avenue for Penn Station right now, all else being equal? I understand you have to be bullish on what you are trying to market, but the value in Park Avenue is just too great to not take advantage - and those air rights are quickly disappearing.
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That was created by one of the forum members. 343 gets included, but isn’t scaled properly enough to stand out.
To be fair, the developers/architects of 343 themselves have yet to release a rendering or diagram of the full 1050' tall design-- all the existing materials show the earlier 932' version. I'd be sure to update my model once we get a good look.
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To be fair, the developers/architects of 343 themselves have yet to release a rendering or diagram of the full 1050' tall design-- all the existing materials show the earlier 932' version. I'd be sure to update my model once we get a good look.
Thanks! I appreciate your great work and the explanation.
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I wonder if another supertall joins the East Midtown cluster, about the height of Tower Fifth and 175 Park Avenue…

I mean, why not add more supertalls to make a supercluster?
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Does anyone really believe that a developer would forego Park Avenue for Penn Station right now, all else being equal? I understand you have to be bullish on what you are trying to market, but the value in Park Avenue is just too great to not take advantage - and those air rights are quickly disappearing.

Going forward Park Ave will remain the tony address for Manhattan offices followed closely by Hudson Yards and Midtown East with the future Penn District and Lower Manhattan coming in third.
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To be fair, the developers/architects of 343 themselves have yet to release a rendering or diagram of the full 1050' tall design-- all the existing materials show the earlier 932' version. I'd be sure to update my model once we get a good look.
Yeah, but 270 Park only released a rendering just last week, and it’s pretty much always been to scale. But we know that developers only focus on their particular developments, and only include other towers in renderings when they’re trying to paint projects as part of a larger whole. That’s understandable. It’s why we ask the artists here who can put in the missing pieces to do just that.
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That rendering from the East River is absolutely incredible.
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