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Old Posted Mar 30, 2022, 8:50 PM
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Really like how the retail section embraces the subway station. It'll be interesting to see how this will interact with Cal Plaza.
Agreed. Angels Landing is a high-quality project with solid public amenities. The plazas (plural!) will be privately managed but open to the public--which means they will be reliably clean and orderly.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2022, 9:32 PM
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Agreed. Angels Landing is a high-quality project with solid public amenities. The plazas (plural!) will be privately managed but open to the public--which means they will be reliably clean and orderly.
Lots of those in San Francisco... I think they are mandated via the city planning. They call them POPOS (Privately Owned Public Open Spaces). They are quite nice.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2022, 10:01 PM
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Lots of those in San Francisco... I think they are mandated via the city planning. They call them POPOS (Privately Owned Public Open Spaces). They are quite nice.
Hopefully this is the start of the trend of more of those vs. amenity decks on top of parking podiums and balconies counting as "open space".

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Anyone know of a good comp off the top of their head that could provide us with a better understanding of what to expect as far as the facade "screen" treatment for Angel's Landing is concerned?
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2022, 1:02 AM
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Olympic + Hill is solid. Decent pedestrian interaction and massing, deferring nicely to the beautiful Mayan Theater next door. Solid infill all around.
Don't forget about the Belasco right next to the Mayan. This completes the block.
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2022, 4:16 AM
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Per the actual Oceanwide filing

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The Group is now actively negotiating with potential investors on project financing or joint development plans, with goals to resume construction, to complete financing for the project and to pay off all current debts to the creditors for the project. According to the development plan, the project will take around two years of development from restart to completion.
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The LA Project was originally scheduled to resume construction in the first half of 2021. However, the work progress did not reach the expected schedule due to funding issues. Thus the project’s cash collection cycle has been extended (the project was originally expected to be completed by 2023 in 2020 and was delayed to be completed in 2025)
https://media-oceanwide.todayir.com/20220329230801291710180444_en.pdf

tl;dr, no change in position, still actively liquidating assets and trying to find a source of financing.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2022, 4:31 AM
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Per the actual Oceanwide filing

https://media-oceanwide.todayir.com/20220329230801291710180444_en.pdf

tl;dr, no change in position, still actively liquidating assets and trying to find a source of financing.
If Oceanwide completes any project in America--and that's a big if--it will be Oceanwide Plaza in downtown Los Angeles.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2022, 4:55 AM
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Per the actual Oceanwide filing.

I thought these were the sections most relevant to their proj on Fig St....

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In addition, the related interests and expenses have not been capitalized due to the fact that the work of the Los Angeles Project (the “LA Project”) and other projects have not yet been resumed, resulting a significant loss suffered by the Group during the Year.

The impairments in the real estate development segment were due to the following factors: (1) the LA Project has been suspended in October 2020 due to its funding issues. It was originally planned to restart constructions during the first half of 2021, but the relevant work progress did not match the expected schedule, thus the cash collection cycle in relation to the project has been extended (the project was originally expected to be completed by 2023 in 2020 and was delayed to be completed in 2025), resulting in a decrease in the discounted present value of the project’ s cashflow forecast model, thereby incurring an impairment of US$177.5 million

As at 31 December 2021, the Group has a total of five real estate development projects as follows: LA Project The real estate development project in Los Angeles, the U.S. of the Group is located in the core of Los Angeles, near landmark buildings such as Crypto.com Arena (formerly known as Staples Center) (home to the Lakers and the Clippers), Microsoft Theater, Los Angeles Convention Center and The Ritz Carlton.

With considerable flow of people and customers, it is an excellent site for the development of a commercial complex. The project covers a total land area of approximately 18,662 square meters (“sqm”) with a gross floor area of approximately 138,249 sqm. It is planned to be developed into a large scale mixed use urban commercial complex with three upscale condominiums, a luxury five-star hotel under the “Park Hyatt” brand, which is the topnotch hotel brand under the Hyatt Group, a shopping mall with a gross floor area of approximately 15,476 sqm, and the largest LED signage panel on the west coast of the U.S..

The construction of the project commenced in the second half of 2014. In 2018, construction works of the project for all main structures and curtain wall installation works for the main structures were completed. Over 85% of electrical and mechanical work was completed so far; and over 60% of interior drywalls in buildings 2 and 3 were installed. However, the construction of such project has been suspended since October 2020 due to the significant impact of global pandemic, changes in macro-economic environment in 2020 as well as the arbitration between the Group and the main construction contractor who decided to terminate the construction contract.

As the Company has liquidity issues, the construction of LA Project has still remained suspended to date. The Group is now actively negotiating with potential investors on project financing or joint development plans, with goals to resume construction, to complete financing for the project and to pay off all current debts to the creditors for the project. According to the development plan, the project will take around two years of development from restart to completion.

Part of the completed apartment blocks will be for sale while the LED advertisement panel, shopping mall and hotel will be for rent so as to earn recurring rental income. The LA Project was originally scheduled to resume construction in the first half of 2021.

However, the work progress did not reach the expected schedule due to funding issues. Thus the project’s cash collection cycle has been extended (the project was originally expected to be completed by 2023 in 2020 and was delayed to be completed in 2025), resulting in a decrease in the discounted present value of the project’s cashflow forecast model, thereby incurring an impairment of U S$177.5 million (2020: HK$280.5 million), and the provision was made and recorded in the income statement accordingly.

As at 31 December 2021, total funds invested in the project were approximately US$1,190.5 million.

As the Group has designated the LA Project as its core development project, majority of the capital resources has been used in such project. Other projects such as New York Project and Hawaii Projects were initially planned to be developed at a later stage or when there is sufficient capital. As the detailed design has not been finalized, there is no estimated construction time nor completion date.

^ the proj's retail, even in the best of times, would be increasingly iffy. Brick and mortar may do well in a Grove or americana type lifestyle center. Or disneyland or samo 2nd St type setting. But the Oceanwide proj doesn't appear to be like that....it appears to be more of a conventional shopping mall.

Warning, warning! Caution!!

Same thing with the Grand Ave proj across from Disney Hall.

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Old Posted Mar 31, 2022, 5:38 PM
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I'd argue that the increasing residential population and walkability of downtown and connection of LA Live / Disney concert hall does make both projects more akin to the Santa Monica Place or Westfield "lifestyle" locations. But I guess this is "skyscraper page" not "speculations on viability of brick & mortar page"

With a "no-earlier-than" 2025 oceanwide date, construction timeline of the new Onni project, and the multiple possible new developments on 11th street, might see a big burst of construction over the next 2-3 years in South Park with many openings around that 2025 timeframe. I'd love to see it given I live there...!!!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2022, 6:25 PM
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I'd argue that the increasing residential population and walkability of downtown

A trade publication of the entertainment industry did a piece on dtla a few wks ago...

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Downtown L.A. Luxury Real Estate Market ‘In the Midst of a Boom

The pandemic rocked downtown Los Angeles’ luxury residential real estate market. Because office towers were vacant and nightlife shut down, the allure of urban core living faded significantly. Throughout 2020 and into 2021, discounts and incentives were on offer for luxury rentals. Residential sales slowed. The highly visible project, and what was to be L.A.’s tallest residential tower at Oceanwide Plaza across from the Crypto.com Arena, completely stalled after halting construction in 2019.

“People wrote downtown off but it is a very resilient community,” says real estate agent Media Moussavy of the Agency, who’s an expert on downtown residential leasing and sales. Per the multiple listing service (MLS), there’s been an uptick in residential sales (up 16% year-over-year), a 7% increase in median sales price and a 25% decrease in time on the market during the same time period. The average sales price in January was $620,000 (per Redfin) although compared to most of Southern California, downtown is a less competitive market and has relatively grounded home values.

“It might not feel like it, but downtown Los Angeles is in the midst of a boom,” says Tab Howard of the Alexander Group at Compass. He contends downtown’s real estate is underutilized, particularly for commercial and manufacturing uses. However, the appeal to artists and creators seeking a true metropolitan experience is undeniable.

“It is almost 100 years old and definitely has that exposed brick New York City/Soho vibe, which is hard to find in Los Angeles,” says Howard, who contends buyers “get more bang for their buck” in downtown L.A.
The majority of downtown Los Angeles’ estimated 85,000 residents are renters and by far under 40. The norm for young renters is to live downtown approximately three years or so; building hopping and chasing rental incentives is common.

Etco Homes is behind Ato, an eight-story mixed-use building with 77 residences now under construction in historic Little Tokyo. The condominiums will range from 700- to 1,117 square-feet topped by a rooftop lifestyle deck with pool (and views of City Hall), multiple gathering areas and an outdoor theater. The new Metro Little Tokyo station is close by. Sales will begin in April and move-ins expected by late 2022.

“The residential building boom in downtown Los Angeles has spurred a modern renaissance in Little Tokyo, attracting home buyers seeking an energetic urban environment in this historically Japanese neighborhood,” says Afshin Etebar, president of Etco Homes.

Although downtown has its grittier side, residents can count on vibrant street life, walkability and endless dining, cultural and entertainment options.

It's still hard to know how any brick & mortar retail will do in today's economy....however, I believe it's doing okay further north at Fig at 7th and the Bloc...a regular at ssp said the macys in dt is one of their better performers.

As for oceanwide, it's in more of the sports-convention-meetings section of dtla.


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Chinese Developer Oceanwide Is Exiting NYC, Hawaii to Focus on LA. The Beijing-based company plans to sell assets that won’t generate immediate revenue or haven’t been seized by creditors.

(Bloomberg)—Developer China Oceanwide Holdings Ltd. is trying to generate cash by selling properties in New York and Hawaii, as it works to revive a massive Los Angeles project that’s been frozen in mid-construction for three years.

The Beijing-based company plans to sell assets that won’t generate immediate revenue -- or haven’t been seized by creditors -- “and reserve resources to develop the LA project,” according to an annual filing in Hong Kong. Oceanwide has spent about $3.5 billion on U.S. real estate developments.
     
     
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I really hope they keep the wrap around ribbon of screens at fig and 12th. I know overall it serves no solid purpose and might add 100-200 million to the price tag for no reason, but I really really think it needs to stay part of the project.
     
     
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I really hope they keep the wrap around ribbon of screens at fig and 12th. I know overall it serves no solid purpose and might add 100-200 million to the price tag for no reason, but I really really think it needs to stay part of the project.
Same, but it also wouldn't be for no reason (from Onni's perspective). The rates they charge for advertising for a screen that big in such a high profile location would have to be one of the highest ROI part of the project I'd imagine.

Watching that video fly through has me wishing even harder that they finish Oceanwide up. Would truly be transformative for that area.
     
     
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Based on the rates Branded Cities (the out of home media company representing the Moxie Hotel developers) is charging for the Digital billboards at the Moxie hotel underconstruction one block south, Oceanwide (not Onni) would be looking at $20MM - $25MM in annual revenue from that digital ribbon (or even higher, considering their spans an entire block, vs. half a block for the Moxie), assuming they sell out all the inventory and don't give too much of it to their retail tenants as value adds. So it's a worthwhile upfront capital investment that would pay dividends relatively quickly.
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^ It would be foolish for oceanwide to go smaller instead of larger with the video boards...they should keep at least the total wrap around design of the original plans.....

this shows a 3 level indoor shopping center that makes me think of the layout suggested by the architectural graphics of interiors of the oceanwide proj.....those video boards may be even more crucial in helping attract ppl to that mall....generally it's harder getting ppl to go beyond the first level of a mall....the 3rd level is even trickier. But if Oceanwide has enough bells & whistles, that can help make things less iffy.

If the boards on Fig St/12th end up being even longer, wider versions of these ones, I'll want to stop and watch them...


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I haven't given much thought until now to what those large LED screens around oceanwide plaza might do to that part of dt. I realize they may make that formerly dark stretch of Fig way more lively than I assumed they could...


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Based on the rates Branded Cities (the out of home media company representing the Moxie Hotel developers) is charging for the Digital billboards at the Moxie hotel underconstruction one block south, Oceanwide (not Onni) would be looking at $20MM - $25MM in annual revenue from that digital ribbon (or even higher, considering their spans an entire block, vs. half a block for the Moxie), assuming they sell out all the inventory and don't give too much of it to their retail tenants as value adds. So it's a worthwhile upfront capital investment that would pay dividends relatively quickly.
With that kind of potential cash flow, I'm surprised that they didn't try to add more along Olympic and 12th.... or did the city restrict them to fig only mostly? Either way, that makes sense why Oceanwide is desperate to get this project completed, despite the fact its pretty much 85-90% complete. An easy cashflow yearly is a plus.

Also.....How long/far does the Lights and sign district go along fig ? I know people complained when the Wilshire grand added a little to its building.

But....that being said....I honestly wouldn't mind if the Bonaventure fortress was covered on all sides with screens. Much more preferable than looking at sad concrete with rust stains here and there.
     
     
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Oceanwide Plaza not only should keep it's LED screens, I agree that those 3d led screens should absolutely be considered.
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Am I missing something? Was it said that 12th and Fig and Oceanwide (if ever completed) are not going to have their LED screens?
     
     
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I believe it’s the fear of Oceanwide cutting cost to save money.
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dksthb, it's all speculation about if/how Oceanwide may value engineer elements of the project, and that was the first element that was assumed may go. Pure speculation at this point.
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