PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by allovertown

Most racist people don't enjoy being called racist. What does this statement have to do with anything? Oh nothing. Just a non-sequitur. Have a nice day.

Are you calling me a racist?

[El Duderino]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

I’m sorry, I know I got a little aggressive there. It’s just that I lived on Broad for a year. I lost sleep and was on edge 24/7 while living there because of the dirt bike noise. I’ve spoken with a few people that live along Broad recently. People are beyond fed up.

No worries at all, I totally understand why you'd be fired up about this, because it absolutely sucks and can ruin an evening for sure (it's happened to me, too). Losing sleep because someone wants to say "LOOK AT ME!!" is not something I'd be too stoked on either.

I hope something can be done as well because it's for sure a QOL issue, especially for people along those major roads.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by Redddog

Are you calling me a racist?

Lol. That’s all they’ve got. I honestly feel embarrassed for them at this point. It excites them. I bet their underwear rides up while they write it.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by El Duderino

No worries at all, I totally understand why you'd be fired up about this, because it absolutely sucks and can ruin an evening for sure (it's happened to me, too). Losing sleep because someone wants to say "LOOK AT ME!!" is not something I'd be too stoked on either.

I hope something can be done as well because it's for sure a QOL issue, especially for people along those major roads.

Thanks, totally agree. I’m really curious to know how it’s impacting Arthaus sales. I heard they’re underperforming - perhaps this is one of the reasons why.

[McBane]

I just don't think that anywhere on Broad Street is the right location for ultra luxury towers. As much as we might like to think so, even that stretch of South Broad between City Hall and Pine is not Michigan Ave or Park Ave. South Broad is certainly nice and it's a convenient location to other areas but in the end, the ultra wealthy want to be either in Society Hill or Rittenhouse. Those are Philly's A+ locations and anything else - is a degree less. And if your funds are unlimited, why would you choose anywhere but either of those A+ locations?

Of course, the unit and the building matter, too but ultimately, location is the biggest driver and I don't think South Broad is on the same level of Society Hill or Rittenhouse.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by McBane

I just don't think that anywhere on Broad Street is the right location for ultra luxury towers. As much as we might like to think so, even that stretch of South Broad between City Hall and Pine is not Michigan Ave or Park Ave. South Broad is certainly nice and it's a convenient location to other areas but in the end, the ultra wealthy want to be either in Society Hill or Rittenhouse. Those are Philly's A+ locations and anything else - is a degree less. And if your funds are unlimited, why would you choose anywhere but either of those A+ locations?

Of course, the unit and the building matter, too but ultimately, location is the biggest driver and I don't think South Broad is on the same level of Society Hill or Rittenhouse.

Huh? Sooo why can’t it be like Michigan Ave etc? Because it isn’t? Lol.

I mean you could throw a rock from Broad westward and it’d technically land in Rittenhouse.

[McBane]

I'm not going into a city vs city back and forth, sorry for bringing up the comparisons. Suffice it to say that South Broad is a fine location for residential towers, but those being marketed at the very tippy top of the market are better suited for Society Hill and Rittenhouse.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by McBane

I'm not going into a city vs city back and forth, sorry for bringing up the comparisons. Suffice it to say that South Broad is a fine location for residential towers, but those being marketed at the very tippy top of the market are better suited for Society Hill and Rittenhouse.

Yeah sorry that still doesn’t make any sense lol

[Raja]

Originally Posted by Redddog

Are you calling me a racist?

I think it's because you used the word "thug" instead of something less fraught like "criminal." (And by the way -- these riders hail from all sorts of backgrounds, which I'm sure you know, which is why I personally wouldn't jump to the conclusion that you're racist.)

Anyways, words like "unhinged" and "maddening" definitely capture it. We're in the east-end-of-South-Street contingent, and there was a point last year when my wife and I were (quite possibly literally) going crazy. She had what can only be described as a mental breakdown one night after she came home from a 48-hour hospital shift and couldn't fall asleep because of the revving. And it's not like she's some lily-white suburban princess. She grew up in Upper Darby. Meanwhile, I would catch myself fantasizing about setting up tack lines or a clothesline and watching them all fall off or crash. Talk about an unhealthy obsession, but I guess that's what happens when you're robbed of the most precious thing you have: your own mental space and freedom to think.

We're getting new windows installed that are supposed to help with soundproofing. JFC they better help.

[PHL10]

I get what McBane is saying. I love South Broad but wouldn’t want to live there myself. It’s a very active street that draws all sorts of traffic and activities…..and noise and disruption. The Laurel by comparison is much more insulated from city chaos (good and bad).

[PurpleWhiteOut]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

Thanks, totally agree. I’m really curious to know how it’s impacting Arthaus sales. I heard they’re underperforming - perhaps this is one of the reasons why.

Yes it's genuinely hampering the feasibility of residential development on Broad and likely leads to difficulty in keeping buildings full. I had a friend who lived on broad and it was awful. I lived on 15th St and moving farther west has been a great decision and would never live on Broad now. Ultimately more and more people will have the same experience. Otherwise they will need REALLY good soundproofing. There are a hell of a lot of other noises too like trucks, emergency vehicles etc. Commercial, office, and hotel uses seem like better uses in general to me. I'm sure some people wouldn't mind for a certain amount of time, but when it's every day, everyone has a breaking point.

[iamrobk]

Originally Posted by McBane

I just don't think that anywhere on Broad Street is the right location for ultra luxury towers. As much as we might like to think so, even that stretch of South Broad between City Hall and Pine is not Michigan Ave or Park Ave. South Broad is certainly nice and it's a convenient location to other areas but in the end, the ultra wealthy want to be either in Society Hill or Rittenhouse. Those are Philly's A+ locations and anything else - is a degree less. And if your funds are unlimited, why would you choose anywhere but either of those A+ locations?

Of course, the unit and the building matter, too but ultimately, location is the biggest driver and I don't think South Broad is on the same level of Society Hill or Rittenhouse.

Agreed. I've said this before and still stand by it.

Also, I live within a block of south Broad Street, can I complain about the dirt bikes and ATVs?

[Frontst17]

Maybe no one likes the word racist but the whistles are certainly whistlin. Sounds like a lot of “My uncle told me about those people”… what’s someone gonna do about the “Thugs” with their Audis and BMWs blasting up and down my street all day? The thugs at the repair shop teaching their children how to ride motorcycles at all hours of the day! The Harley riders thinking they can ruin MY airspace with their noise! It’s almost as if a lot of people live in this city minding their own damn business. Try living anywhere else where 100+ Choppers come through town like almost every suburb around on a nice day. If people break the law while riding that’s the job of the police to handle. When else do we see this city come together like we see on these rides? There’s gotta be something to appreciate about that. I mean on broad street alone there’s cars honking, emergency sirens, people yelling, helicopters landing on the regular. You picked a hell of a street to want peace and quiet.

[iheartphilly]

Damn!

[el don]

Originally Posted by allovertown

Most racist people don't enjoy being called racist. What does this statement have to do with anything? Oh nothing. Just a non-sequitur. Have a nice day.

You're still calling people racist??? hahahahahaha

[PHLtoNYC]

^ Since there is talk of S. Broad specifically, do people know how Chicago PD or NY PD handle similar situations?

For example, I can't imagine regular occurrences of hoards of dirt bikes on Park Avenue or Michigan Avenue.

Honestly curious...

[PHLtoNYC]

How accurate is this, per the census update?...

https://www2.census.gov/programs-sur...ets/2020-2021/

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-kits/2022/pop-estimates-county-metro.html

Philadelphia County population estimate 2021: 1,567,251, a decrease of 24,754 from 2020, which was a decrease of -2,792 from 2019 = total decrease of over -27,000?

Looks New York, SF, LA, Boston, and Chicago metros suffered worse... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/24/us/census-2021-population-growth.html

[KDD]

All this talk about the ATVs and crime, If I was more talented I'd make the topic into a musical. People love West Side Story and Grease

[TempleGuy1000]

Originally Posted by KDD

All this talk about the ATVs and crime, If I was more talented I'd make the topic into a musical. People love West Side Story and Grease

Did you already forget about K&A the Musical?

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

How accurate is this, per the census update?...

https://www2.census.gov/programs-sur...ets/2020-2021/

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-kits/2022/pop-estimates-county-metro.html

Philadelphia County population estimate 2021: 1,567,251, a decrease of 24,754 from 2020, which was a decrease of -2,792 from 2019 = total decrease of over -27,000?

Looks New York, SF, LA, Boston, and Chicago metros suffered worse... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/24/us/census-2021-population-growth.html

Could be somewhat true due to COVID, rioting, looting, protests, etc... but we've probably already rebounded by now in Philly, and a lot of this was probably college kids not living on or near campus, people in rental situations moving home with parents, etc. etc.

Also, I've learned to take the yearly census estimates with a HUGE grain of salt. The actual count is ever decade, and even that is guessing to an extent. The yearly estimates are just that... estimates.

Home and apartments are being built left and right now in Philadelphia, and homes are flying off the shelves, and apartments are 97% occupied. We gotta be back to 2020 population and even grown some since then and regained any loses experienced in 2021.