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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 9:37 PM
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I think there is merit to the idea of affordable housing being in Hudson Yards, even if this particular plot is less than ideal for that purpose.
There is already affordable housing on the HY, that’s not really the issue. The issue is whether or not, this is the best site for it. And the answer is of course not. They didn’t extend an entire subway line to the west side of Manhattan to minimize development.


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The main thing, even if you are desperate for the Peebles/Adjeye proposal, is that it doesn't really fit with Javits Center, either. What good does it do to have an ultra-luxury tower right outside the main entrance of the convention center? .
An office tower with hotel development? Right outside a major entrance to the only subway line servicing the area? It’s the Perfect process for it.
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Does the article say 1633 feet?
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Does the article say 1633 feet?
If you can read a reply, you can read the article just a few posts prior.
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Does the article say 1633 feet?

Yep, the article said that it'll be the second tallest building in NYC (behind 1WTC) and the tallest in roof height, reaching 1633 ft high. Although it would be cool if it reaches the height of 1863 ft, for the year when Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, just as 1776 ft is for the year when the United States Declaration of Independence was signed.
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Why did the building get cut 30 feet? Now it is no longer a 500 meter building.
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Why did the building get cut 30 feet? Now it is no longer a 500 meter building.
Great, no 500 meters. But hey, this building will be taller than Shanghai WFC.
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I haven't been keeping up with this building, assuming it was as good as cancelled ("on permanent hold"), but I did say there'd be a height cut either way. Some downplayed the idea.
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I haven't been keeping up with this building, assuming it was as good as cancelled ("on permanent hold"), but I did say there'd be a height cut either way. Some downplayed the idea.
As a proposal that hasn't even been accepted, no official height has even been decided yet. Therefore, there is no height cut, because there is no official height, because there is no accepted proposal.

No, it is not cancelled or on permanent hold. The State rescinded the RFP because they were trying to add some affordable housing component (a silly idea on this site. Should have forced it into Hell's Kitchen. I think it has to do with political optics or something like that.) They are just waiting for the RFP to be sent out again as far as I know.
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Why did the building get cut 30 feet? Now it is no longer a 500 meter building.
Could've been a typo

This is only one of many possibilities of what will go here so take it with a grain of salt anyway
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I think that Peebles' rhetoric is absurd, but I hope that he plays the violin loud enough to build this tower.

P.S.: It's still 1,663' tall.

https://www.ebony.com/career-finance/real-estate-developers-don-peebles/

"....Despite its optimistic goal, the project is experiencing a major hurdle. The idea for Affirmation Tower was conceived after New York’s former governor Andrew Cuomo put out a call for proposals for the Hudson Yards development site. But since his ousting, New York’s new governor, Kathy Hochul, has rescinded the RFP, stating that she would instead like to use the site for affordable housing.

“I feel that this idea of making our people comfortable with the disproportionate burden of poverty, the poor education that our young people are victimized by, and the criminal justice system that criminalizes our young people, for the most simplistic mistakes is just unacceptable,” Peebles says of the decision. “What we need to do is to change this burden of poverty and lift this burden of poverty off of our people, so that we don’t need as many social services and government support — that we can do it for ourselves. And that means that we have to grow black businesses.”

Multiple attempts to reach the governor for comment were unsuccessful. But while the team behind Affirmation Tower finds the decision disappointing, they view it as a temporary setback.

“We view this award as inevitable and we’re looking at this pause as an opportunity for greater alignment with the Governor’s priorities,” Livingston asserts. “Given the tremendous benefits that Affirmation Tower presents to the state in terms of tax revenue, and to the community — when you look at what’s happening in the world of construction and the overall New York economy — we need to have a catalyst for economic growth and Affirmation Tower is certainly poised to do that.” Livingston sees this “temporary pause” as an opportunity to have greater alignment with the governor’s vision.”

Peebles believes that the plans they once had will reach fruition and with it will come an opportunity for real economic justice. “As Dr. King once said, justice too long delayed is justice denied,” Peebles quotes. “And the same goes for economic justice.”

While more Black entrepreneurs have been able to participate in America’s growing economy, Peebles believes the real estate industry is no further along than when he started. He feels a personal obligation to make sure this changes for future generations. “If we’re not the ones to do it, then who’s going to do it? And if it’s not at this time, when?”
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^ That was also posted on the previous page. As far as what he’s saying, he’s absolutely correct. Affordable housing can go elsewhere.
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^ That was also posted on the previous page. As far as what he’s saying, he’s absolutely correct. Affordable housing can go elsewhere.
I agree.
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https://therealdeal.com/2022/03/24/civil...ebles-west-side-tower-if-its-ever-built/

Civil rights museum heading to Peebles’ West Side tower — if it’s ever built





Mar. 24, 2022
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The city’s first civil rights museum is moving from one uncertain project to another.

The Museum of Civil Rights has agreed to take at least 50,000 square feet at “Affirmation Tower,” a 2 million-square-foot skyscraper envisioned by developer Don Peebles for 418 11th Avenue.

The museum, founded by the Rev. Al Sharpton and Judge Jonathan Lippman, was originally supposed to occupy 48,000 square feet at One45, a building planned for West 145th Street and Lenox Avenue in Harlem. That mostly residential project has faced pushback from Harlem Council member Kristin Richardson Jordan, Community Board 10 and Borough President Mark Levine.
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Upon revoking the RFP, state officials hinted that they were considering affordable housing for the site, an idea Peebles called “absurd.” One45, if its Harlem site were rezoned, would include affordable apartments.

Peebles called the museum’s potential move a “breakthrough” for the Far West Side project and said he is hopeful that it will “encourage people to move a little faster,” referring to Hochul administration officials planning the future of the 11th Avenue parcel, called site K.
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Peebles is among the nation’s best known Black developers and the project would be funded mostly by Black-owned companies, designed by Black architect Sir David Adjaye, built by minority- and women-owned businesses and include NAACP offices — factors that figure to help it beat out other proposals for the site.

Affirmation Tower’s would-be developers have positioned it as the city’s first Black-built skyscraper.

“This is a project that is bigger than one developer, bigger than one neighborhood,” Peebles said. “If we don’t take this opportunity to do it, when will it get done?”
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Peebles maintains that the two hotels he plans for the site, which is near the Javits Convention Center, would serve the area better than affordable housing. But the housing would be more beneficial politically to Gov. Kathy Hochul, who is seeking election this year to a four-year term.

Community Board 4, an advisory body of local volunteers, has requested affordable housing for site K. Hochul has already adjusted plans for development around Penn Station to require more affordable housing.
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My comment from NYY F:
It is extremely annoying how much they’re trying to make this something bigger than it really is.
But whatever gets it through. Whether it’s this tower or another, I really want to see a 1,600 +, 2 million sqft + tower go up right here.
It’s a really good position right next to Javits, with a train line very, very close by, the highline is is just a walk away. HY and in the future HY II are literally right next door, including the massive park complex that it has. Very desirable spot for whatever goes up here.

There is a very good spot across the street from it, but I don’t know about the prospects of it. Zoning, Air Rights, just general development prospects.
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My comment from NYY F:
It is extremely annoying how much they’re trying to make this something bigger than it really is.
Every developer promotes their project in big terms. In this case, I think its fairly accurate. Why something like that would annoy you us another matter. But Peeble’s proposal is worth the mentions its been getting.

Now, whether or not it’s the proposal that gets selected depends on what the state requests when it re-issues the rfp. It’sca worthwhile development that should be considered, even if not at this site.
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Time as beautiful as it is, this proposal will not materialize on this site. I would suggest to the builder to move this project to another site in the city or to another city.
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Time as beautiful as it is, this proposal will not materialize on this site. I would suggest to the builder to move this project to another site in the city or to another city.
1) Why wouldn't it materialize on this site? The only thing stopping them is a wait time.
2) Unless it's a generic building, and I mean super generic, buildings don't usually go to other sites in another city.
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Yeah, this is a proposal that can get started a lot sooner than some of our other upcoming developments. It’s just a matter of the rfp process being restarted, and a developer selected. There’s no real reason that couldn’t happen today, (or yesterday for that matter).

Governor Cuomo was the first to suggest the two state owned sites around the Javits could include affordable housing. But he didn’t make tgat a requirement for this particular site. We don’t know what was being planned for the other, much larger site because they didn’t issue an rfp for it. The most logical solution would be to issue an rfp for both sites. If affordable housing is mandated, let it go on either. As it is, New York state only allows a maximum FAR of 12 for residential development. Then a portion of that would be the affordable housing.
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Btw, are there any sites next to this that would also be suitable for a 1,600 ft + building close by? I assume it would have the same benefits that this one would (javits, transit, highline, Hudson Yards Phase 1 and 2 and all the benefits that they bring) but I don't know how the zoning, air rights, and other stuff would work out.
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1) Why wouldn't it materialize on this site? The only thing stopping them is a wait time.
No, time is not the issue here but the cheap housing the governess wants here. We would see what the new RFP will provide on this.

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Unless it's a generic building, and I mean super generic, buildings don't usually go to other sites in another city.
And who says this?
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