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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 11:40 AM
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 1:40 PM
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Festival Pier site

This was rumored for quite some time, but with the PBJ article today it is confirmed: the city will get its second Sprouts supermarket at the 501 N Delaware project aka Festival Pier. Definitely a fantastic retail anchor that will make this project all the more of a destination. Also sort of absurd how over-served the immediate area is/will be for groceries with Acme, Heirloom, Sprouts, and Amazon Fresh all in or touching corners of a single neighborhood.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 1:59 PM
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Also sort of absurd how over-served the immediate area is/will be for groceries with Acme, Heirloom, Sprouts, and Amazon Fresh all in or touching corners of a single neighborhood.
Can't tell if you're saying this in a negative way or just as an observation, but either way I'd beg to differ. Given the population explosion in this part of town, I think it's now adequately served by grocery stores, after having been underserved for far too long.

The grocery store boom has been a hugely positive signal that Philly's resurgence in population is here to stay.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 2:10 PM
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CDR is out. Not really worth checking IMO. I do like the Bainbridge project and Vagellos lab at Penn otherwise pretty disappointing.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 4:31 PM
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Can't tell if you're saying this in a negative way or just as an observation, but either way I'd beg to differ. Given the population explosion in this part of town, I think it's now adequately served by grocery stores, after having been underserved for far too long.

The grocery store boom has been a hugely positive signal that Philly's resurgence in population is here to stay.
People will always find something to complain about...

But I agree with your perspective.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 5:31 PM
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People will always find something to complain about...

But I agree with your perspective.
As an IRL friend of New2Fishtown, he is absolutely a villain who hates groceries. Kidding, kidding: I'm very sure he meant it in the "embarrassment of riches" way.

It is pretty fascinating the way some areas (Fishtown and South Philly in particular) have gone very quickly from having few groceries to so many that you have to scratch your head to understand how they all can all survive.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 6:06 PM
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As an IRL friend of New2Fishtown,
Wait, WHOAAAAA. You mean some of you actually exist in real life???
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 6:32 PM
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As an IRL friend of New2Fishtown, he is absolutely a villain who hates groceries. Kidding, kidding: I'm very sure he meant it in the "embarrassment of riches" way.

It is pretty fascinating the way some areas (Fishtown and South Philly in particular) have gone very quickly from having few groceries to so many that you have to scratch your head to understand how they all can all survive.
Tsarstruck? Never heard of him. JK. Thanks, ye-whose-real-name-shall-remain-withheld, you are correct that I meant it in an overwhelmingly positive way.

I look at city development a lot through the lens of reducing car reliance, and the best way to do that is to bring the things people need most closest to their homes or to within seamless reach by something other than a car. The single biggest thing that could be done to both reduce reliance on car ownership and encourage use of other modes would be to increase the share of regional jobs located in CC, UC, and other maximally accessible locations. Since that's a long-term and slow-moving battle affected by lots of macroeconomic forces including tax and housing policy, I'll leave that alone and say that the next best things we can do to at least reduce car TRIPS, if not OWNERSHIP, is to make it as easy as possible to reach supermarkets and daycares (and probably pharmacies and a couple other things, but those are the biggies that trigger additional multi-mile trips for many people). Related, I'd argue it's never been easier to not own a car between e-commerce, ridesharing, and the covid-accelerated move toward hybrid and remote work. Despite all these things making it easier to use cars only on an occasional basis (a rental for a vacation, a zipcar for a Home Depot run, etc), it doesn't appear that rates of ownership or general NIMBY sentiments around parking and congestion have changed. But I digress. SUPERMARKETS.

I'd happily welcome half a dozen more grocers in the area if there's spending power to support them, but I was pointing out it's interesting that the 19123 zip code will soon have five medium-to-large, full-service grocery stores (Target, Sprouts, Amazon Fresh, Acme, and Heirloom...and I'm aware of a potential 6th, and I'm not including the Asian supermarket at 4th and Spring Garden). That's about...at least 150,000 s.f. of retail space for groceries, probably more. 19125 zip code has...a tiny Riverwards Produce and then the not-particularly-walkable IGA, and Old City/Society Hill has one small Acme and a soon-to-arrive-but-still-pretty-small Riverwards. And so the only downside to the embarrassment of riches in 19123 is that having 5 or 10 or 20 supermarkets in NoLibs doesn't do much for walkability/livability in Old City or Fishtown. So what I'm hoping for is more grocery stores everywhere, ideally following the Riverwards and Heirloom models, both of which emulate the Tesco / Sainsbury's / Franprix / G20 models from Europe where they have zero parking, flexible-format stores that can fit in very small spaces, because the idea is maximizing coverage and shortening distances between grocery outlets, not creating one enormous car-oriented supermarket. We've got amazing momentum on this front with the proliferation of these different grocery concepts and i hope it continues!!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 6:47 PM
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Well my bad. Glad people are happy.

Unrelated observation, but it appears Center City (and now surrounding) have better grocery options than a lot of Manhattan these days, and a huge increase in quantity too. Manhattan is either Whole Foods / Trader Joes or some lux market like Eataly (still fun though), or subpar grocery chains like D'agostino's and Morton Williams. There are a few Fairways and little corner markets, but nice that Philadelphia has Giant, Heirloom, Sprouts, Acme, etc.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 7:06 PM
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April CDR Submissions

2910 South Street - Penn Ott Center for Track and Field
-Locate in University City
-Nothing too exciting
-72,076 square foot indoor track and field training facility
-1-story in total
PDF:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220322090135/2910-South-Street_1st-Review_April-5-2022-CDR.pdf

3200 Walnut Street - Penn Vagelos Laboratory for Energy Science & Technology
-Located in University City
-We know about this one already. Fantastic design
-113,764 square foot Academic, Research and Lab building
-8 floors in total
PDF:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220322091017/3200-Walnut-Street_1st-Review_April-5-2022-CDR_2.pdf

419 Bainbridge Street
-Located in Queen Village
-We know about this one as well. Replacing surface parking lot
-Mixed-use 157 unit residential building with ground floor retail
-7 floors in total
PDF:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220322090232/419-Bainbridge-Street_1st-Review_April-5-2022-CDR.pdf

1201 Normandy Place Parking Garage - Intrepid Garage
-Located in the Navy Yard
-We basically know about this one already as well
-Not the most exciting, but will add more structured parking in the Navy Yard to allow for some surface lots to be redeveloped
-5-floors in total and will have ground floor retail fronting Intrepid Avenue and 13th Street.
PDF:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220322090327/1201-Normandy-Place-7PP_1st-Review_April-5-2022-CDR.pdf

6515 Ridge Avenue
-Located in Roxborough
-Replacing suburban style strip mall
-Mixed-use 100-unit residential building with ground floor retail
-6 floors in total
PDF:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220322090148/6515-Ridge-Avenue_1st-Review_April-5-2022-CDR.pdf

1950 E. Logan Street
-Located in the Logan neighborhood of North Philadelphia
-Replacing abandoned warehouse and empty lot
-111-unit residential building
-3 floors in total
PDF:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220322090125/1950-E.-Logan-Street_1st-Review_April-5-2022-CDR.pdf
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 7:27 PM
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Mann Center beginning $70M, three-phase campus update leading up to 2026 semiquincentennial

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...cx_testVariant=cx_8&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s

"The Mann Center for the Performing Arts is beginning the next three stages of its master plan for campus improvements, which CEO Catherine Cahill projects could easily amount to $70 million and include facets like a second permanent Skyline Stage and a new food and beverage pavilion complete with a wine bar."
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Briefly bringing up a sore subject... but latest thoughts on this, as it appears to be a nightly occurrence again.

VIDEO: Hundreds of dirt bikes, ATVs swarm Philadelphia streets

https://6abc.com/dirt-bike-riders-philadelphia-atv-task-force-city-council/11663207/
     
     
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Briefly bringing up a sore subject... but latest thoughts on this, as it appears to be a nightly occurrence again.

VIDEO: Hundreds of dirt bikes, ATVs swarm Philadelphia streets

https://6abc.com/dirt-bike-riders-philadelphia-atv-task-force-city-council/11663207/
My totally on-topic and sophisticated thoughts are as follows:

- I will never understand the gaudiness of the currently prevailing "look at me" culture. Hopefully it fades but doesn't seem to be trending that way.
- Glad to see the police at least tried to stop them.
- Shut up shut up shut upppp.
     
     
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^^^I wouldn’t say it’s a nightly occurrence, but certainly you’ll get big swarms like that on warm weekend evenings. While it’s still early in the season, I think it’s been at least marginally better than last year so far. At least the “let the kids ride, it’s a culture” folks who probably live nowhere near the main arteries have shut up.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2022, 2:11 AM
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One vote here for turning one of the parking lots down by the stadiums into an ATV/dirt bike course.

Edit: This would actually be an awesome spot to have a skateboard/bmx/etc. facility (yes, i'm aware of what's very close by). An outdoor concrete facility would be something that could be used for almost all of the year. Position it right and the pictures with center city in the background would be incredible. this should go along with a bunch of the other ideas summers has put out in previous posts - i want a dense broad street from the navy yard up to erie ave.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2022, 2:26 AM
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One vote here for turning one of the parking lots down by the stadiums into an ATV/dirt bike course.
Lol, that’s where they ended up Friday night. They still have ride down there. Doesn’t make a difference. People need to stop with “let’s just build them a park”. We’re beyond that. If don’t live within a few blocks of Broad/Market or Washington, then take a few steps back. Sorry to be so blunt, but I’m just done. So are a lot of other people.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2022, 3:19 AM
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I’ve heard so much complaining about Krasner over the years, but this is the most fact based argument I’ve heard yet. And it’s not fact based.

It’s sad. I’ve come to this forum because I’m genuinely interested in all the great things big and small being built and developed in this city. It’s a great place to learn and understand a part of civic life that doesn’t get the attention it deserves. This place is the reason I believe in upzoning as a way do allow people from differently income levels to actually reap the benefits of the good things happening in the city.

It’s unfortunate that justice and following the law (equal protection, due process, etc.) are seen by some as barriers to safety and development. The fact is that a person isn’t a criminal in the eyes of the law until he or she has been convicted of a crime. And when the crime in question is non-violent, holding a person on bail become a back door incarceration for unconvinced poor people.

Sometimes it feels like people on this forum see certain demographics of our community as a problem that must be pushed out so the city can prosper. Shouldn’t we be growing in a way that includes them? Maybe the best way to make people let go of their irrational fear of development is to make those fears actually irrational, not by demonizing them and anyone who tries to help them.
As regressive as this board is today, you can at least take solace in the fact that it's a lot better than it was 10 years ago.

The bolded part at the bottom of your post is a drum I've been banging here for a decade. People here love to complain about people like Darrell Clarke and his regressive anti-urbanist policies. But then at the same time they insist that gentrification isn't a problem and if people can't afford to live in their homes any more they should go move some place cheaper. And then they wonder why Darrell Clarke keeps getting elected.

It's a sad state of affairs. Nearly everyone involved in city government basically has only two opinions on gentrification. Either "It's actually good/isn't a problem." or "It's bad, and the only way to stop it is to never let anyone build anything and never improve." So if you are someone who is fearful of being pushed out of your home, your only choice is to gravitate to a swindler like Clarke or Kenyatta Johnson who at least pays lip service to your fears.

Of course, if we simply pushed to protect the poor and ensure their access to housing, they would have no reason to fear development or gentrification, and thus they'd have no reason to elect someone like Clarke or Johnson. Once people are no longer afraid of losing their homes, their number one concerns will shift over to many of the same concerns that many of their wealthier neighbors have; public safety, education, transit, etc. We can then elect a city government that encourages growth and development. We can do so much better and not leave anyone behind.
     
     
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^^^I wouldn’t say it’s a nightly occurrence, but certainly you’ll get big swarms like that on warm weekend evenings. While it’s still early in the season, I think it’s been at least marginally better than last year so far. At least the “let the kids ride, it’s a culture” folks who probably live nowhere near the main arteries have shut up.
I think they realize they sound ridiculous and its a quality of life issue. The mistake those people made was not assuming that the communities they are supposedly trying to protect also care about quality of life. Who knew?? Its shocking.
     
     
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As regressive as this board is today, you can at least take solace in the fact that it's a lot better than it was 10 years ago.

The bolded part at the bottom of your post is a drum I've been banging here for a decade. People here love to complain about people like Darrell Clarke and his regressive anti-urbanist policies. But then at the same time they insist that gentrification isn't a problem and if people can't afford to live in their homes any more they should go move some place cheaper. And then they wonder why Darrell Clarke keeps getting elected.

It's a sad state of affairs. Nearly everyone involved in city government basically has only two opinions on gentrification. Either "It's actually good/isn't a problem." or "It's bad, and the only way to stop it is to never let anyone build anything and never improve." So if you are someone who is fearful of being pushed out of your home, your only choice is to gravitate to a swindler like Clarke or Kenyatta Johnson who at least pays lip service to your fears.

Of course, if we simply pushed to protect the poor and ensure their access to housing, they would have no reason to fear development or gentrification, and thus they'd have no reason to elect someone like Clarke or Johnson. Once people are no longer afraid of losing their homes, their number one concerns will shift over to many of the same concerns that many of their wealthier neighbors have; public safety, education, transit, etc. We can then elect a city government that encourages growth and development. We can do so much better and not leave anyone behind.

Personally, I would be careful about calling people "swindlers" if they haven't done anything illegal or even immoral. I understand that its seen as acceptable to call allegedly anti development politicians names on this forum but that doesn't mean its appropriate. People are allowed to have more than one POV on the city and someone who isn't a slave to development isn't necessarily corrupt or stupid or incompetent contrary to what is said on here. As for Clarke- isnt there a ton of development within his district? I mean if what we see there is a sign that he is totally against development I don't know what people would like to see. I'm not even saying I'm a big fan, but painting him as a someone who is hell bent on preventing newcomers from infiltrating his lower income district so he can stay in power seems to be a questionable notion.
     
     
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