General Update/Rumour thread [Urban Ottawa]

[GeoNerd]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

+117K in Ottawa-Gatineau in 5 years. Nice.

Yeah, 8.5% growth of Ottawa-Gatineau is higher growth % than all the other top 10 largest Metro areas other than Kitchener-Waterloo.

[Harley613]

This explosive population growth bodes very well for our record number of tall building proposals.

[Williamoforange]

Here is another number while Ottawa population grew by 8.5%, the Glebe census area grew by a mere ~3.1%. Hell if you include the entire ward you only get to ~8%, on majority due to the St Paul University campus development.

https://censusmapper.ca/maps/3054#12/45.4058/-75.7343

While Hintonburg/Mechanicsville grew 10.1% and wellington/Westboro grew 7.1%, Overbrooke grew 10.4%

And yeah........ https://censusmapper.ca/maps/717#15/45.4023/-75.6977

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

Here is another number while Ottawa population grew by 8.5%, the Glebe census area grew by a mere ~3.1%. Hell if you include the entire ward you only get to ~8%, on majority due to the St Paul University campus development.

https://censusmapper.ca/maps/3054#12/45.4058/-75.7343

While Hintonburg/Mechanicsville grew 10.1% and wellington/Westboro grew 7.1%, Overbrooke grew 10.4%

And yeah........ https://censusmapper.ca/maps/717#15/45.4023/-75.6977

When you have an average of 8.5%, some areas will have grown below that threshold (or even lost population as in the case of some outer-Greenbelt neighbourhoods).

The three areas you mention have more cheaply built sfh, usually siding and not well taken care of, compared to the Glebe with larger, better maintained brick homes, many of them already broken down into multiple, profitable, apartment units. The Glebe is also not served by rapid transit.

The conversation should be about the older outer suburbs that, despite having rapid transit, have remained stagnant or lost population.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

When you have an average of 8.5%, some areas will have grown below that threshold (or even lost population as in the case of some outer-Greenbelt neighbourhoods).

The three areas you mention have more cheaply built sfh, usually siding and not well taken care of, compared to the Glebe with larger, better maintained brick homes, many of them already broken down into multiple, profitable, apartment units. The Glebe is also not served by rapid transit.

The conversation should be about the older outer suburbs that, despite having rapid transit, have remained stagnant or lost population.

There is also the issue of economics. Developers like to buy low and sell high. Land in the Glebe is significantly more expensive than in other areas of the city, so the economics of redeveloping it don't work as well as they do in an area they can gentrify (buy cheap, undesirable land, make it more desirable and sell for a lot more).

I agree that the focus should be on TOD and that isn't the Glebe.

[Nowhere]

Why is the STO still only offering one bus route to Ottawa ? Only the 400 goes to Ottawa, now all the way to Rideau Center using Albert/Slater. I know some streets are still closed downtown, but the occupation is now over, so if the 400 can go all the way to Rideau Center, why not send other bus routes as well ?

[Tesladom]

Did Ottawa's CMA boundaries change from 2016?

Also The Toronto CMA is not really accurate since there are separate CMA for cities that are linked by continuous urban development adjacent to Toronto's CMA, such as Oshawa or Hamilton. Which CMA do Ajax Whitby or Burlington end up in?
They should have a Super CMA for GTA (ie. Golden Horseshoe) for a more accurate number IMO

[Innsertnamehere]

Burlington is Hamilton CMA, Whitby is Oshawa, and Ajax is Toronto.

Toronto's CMA is indeed contradictory in that way. The Oshawa CMA is essentially fully a GTA suburb at this point, and while Hamilton is more independent, it's essentially part of the GTA, especially parts of the CMA like Burlington.

The Ottawa CMA did grow I believe, adding areas like Arnprior and Carleton Place IIRC.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Tesladom

Did Ottawa's CMA boundaries change from 2016?

Ottawa added Carleton Place and Arnprior for 2021.

Originally Posted by Tesladom

They should have a Super CMA for GTA (ie. Golden Horseshoe) for a more accurate number IMO

They should, but StatCan has no mechanism for merging CMAs.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by Tesladom

Did Ottawa's CMA boundaries change from 2016?

Also The Toronto CMA is not really accurate since there are separate CMA for cities that are linked by continuous urban development adjacent to Toronto's CMA, such as Oshawa or Hamilton. Which CMA do Ajax Whitby or Burlington end up in?
They should have a Super CMA for GTA (ie. Golden Horseshoe) for a more accurate number IMO

I think that this definition helps explain why Hamilton and Oshawa are separate CMAs:

"A census metropolitan area (CMA) or a census agglomeration (CA) is formed by one or more adjacent municipalities centred on a population centre (known as the core). A CMA must have a total population of at least 100,000 of which 50,000 or more must live in the core. A CA must have a core population of at least 10,000. To be included in the CMA or CA, other adjacent municipalities must have a high degree of integration with the core, as measured by commuting flows derived from previous census place of work data."

I think that Hamilton in particular is the clear population centre for its area. While eastern Burlington runs together with Toronto suburbs, the degree of integration between Hamilton and Toronto is pretty limited. There is some commuting for sure, but not to the extent that Hamilton is anything close to a suburb of Toronto. Likewise, Burlington is much more closely linked to Hamilton than it is to Toronto, so that's why it is part of the Hamilton CMA.

Oshawa, while smaller, was still a well-defined independent city before the Toronto sprawl made its way that far. And even now, there is a pretty clear break in development around Whitby.

The issue of metropolitan areas running together happens more frequently in the U.S. Certainly Riverside, California is more integrated with L.A. in the traditional sense of a suburb than Hamilton is with Toronto, but it is its own metropolitan area.

[J.OT13]

Do we have a Parliamentary Precinct or Confederation Boulevard thread?

Anyway, calls to expand the Parliamentary Precinct.

Des députés demandent l’agrandissement de la zone parlementaire sécurisée à Ottawa

ANTOINE TRÉPANIER
Le Droit

Des députés libéraux fédéraux demandent au Comité permanent de la procédure et des affaires de la Chambre des communes de réévaluer les limites de la cité parlementaire pour y inclure les rues Wellington et Sparks, à Ottawa et la rue Laurier, à Gatineau.

Dans une lettre envoyée jeudi à la présidente du comité Bardish Chagger, les députés de Hull-Aylmer, Greg Fergus, et d’Ottawa-Centre, Yasir Naqvi, affirment que l’occupation du centre-ville d’Ottawa pendant trois semaines en février justifie des changements aux limites de la cité.

«Nous sommes d’avis que la désignation de cette cité permettra la mise en place de protocoles de sécurité plus robustes», écrivent-ils.

Dans leur lettre, ils rappellent que pour des raisons de sécurité, le sergent d’arme a dû annuler la séance de la Chambre des communes le vendredi 18 février. Cette suspension des travaux avait été nécessaire durant l’opération policière visant le démantèlement de l’occupation.

Le président de la Chambre, Anthony Rota, avait affirmé dans une déclaration transmise aux élus que «si vous n’êtes pas présent dans les lieux de la Chambre des communes, restez à l’écart du centre-ville jusqu'à nouvel ordre».

Les députés Fergus et Naqvi poursuivent en disant appuyer «l’idée de rendre la rue Wellington plus accessible aux résidents et aux visiteurs d’Ottawa qui souhaitent marcher, faire du vélo et rouler devant nos importantes institutions nationales».

S’ils ne mentionnent pas directement vouloir piétonniser la rue Wellington, cette idée fait du chemin depuis quelques années, justement pour des raisons de sécurité, mais aussi pour lutter contre les changements climatiques.

Déjà, le leader du gouvernement libéral à la Chambre des communes, Mark Holland, a déclaré sur Twitter qu’il avait mentionné au Bureau de régie interne la possibilité de rendre «non-véhiculaire la zone devant le Parlement à Ottawa, y compris la rue Wellington».

«J’appuie [mes collègues] pour un rapport sur les limites de circonscription parlementaire pour protéger la Chambre et le centre-ville d’Ottawa», a-t-il écrit.

https://www.ledroit.com/2022/03/04/des-d...3d3c7ef2c468901268928ad1f3cfe7e?nor=true

[rocketphish]

Interesting, I wonder if the new owner has plans to transplant any of these crummy buildings?

1-11 Springfield Road, 16 Douglas Avenue and 49-57 Beechwood Avenue were purchased by 2317916 Ontario Inc. (Rahal Hair Transplant) from Lakfair Enterprises Ltd. & named individuals for $6,600,000 or $321 per square foot. It is zoned Traditional Mainstreet.

http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/newsletters/2022/January-2022-Newsletter-November-Sales.pdf

[SL123]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Interesting, I wonder if the new owner has plans to transplant any of these crummy buildings?



http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/newsletters/2022/January-2022-Newsletter-November-Sales.pdf

Redevelopment of this parcel would impact Fraser Café! that would be sad

[Tesladom]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

The Ottawa CMA did grow I believe, adding areas like Arnprior and Carleton Place IIRC.

So Arnprior is part of Ottawa CMA? it 67KM to Downtown according to Google Map. Hamilton is just 59km, and the trip from Hamilton travels through a continuous urban area.
How many people live in the Hamilton CMA and work/commute to Toronto CMA? That's the real metric here, and I'm sure its much higher than you think... and probably higher than Arnprior into Ottawa

To add proper context to the StatCan figures, the Ottawa CMA population did not increase by 8% organically, growth also came from "inclusions". Carleton Place is around 11,000 residents and Arnprior is 8000.. so that accounts for 2% of the growth right there

[Tesladom]

Looks like its not just Ottawa, these CMAs are out of control. Edmonton areas to the west including places like Parkland County that extends 100km west of the City included in the CMA

My Corporate head office is the central Mississauga, most people I work with live outside the Toronto CMA, many in Hamilton CMA, Guelph Cambridge CMA areas. When you ask them where they come from from they all pretty much say "Toronto"... that sums it up IMO

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Tesladom

So Arnprior is part of Ottawa CMA? it 67KM to Downtown according to Google Map. Hamilton is just 59km, and the trip from Hamilton travels through a continuous urban area.
How many people live in the Hamilton CMA and work/commute to Toronto CMA? That's the real metric here, and I'm sure its much higher than you think... and probably higher than Arnprior into Ottawa

The real metric is in fact percentages, not sheer numbers.

The % of people in Arnprior who commute to work in Ottawa is far higher than the % of Hamiltonians who commute to Toronto.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by Tesladom

How many people live in the Hamilton CMA and work/commute to Toronto CMA? That's the real metric here, and I'm sure its much higher than you think... and probably higher than Arnprior into Ottawa

That topic was explored in this thread:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213258&page=713

According to these stats, just shy of half of Arnprior's workforce commutes into Ottawa. For Hamilton and Toronto, the number is around 20%. Hamilton is also a major population centre of its own right.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/

[J.OT13]

Posted by Acajack on the Gatineau thread.

Originally Posted by Acajack

Enfin! La construction de tours d'habitation vient de débuter sur le boulevard du Carrefour, près de la Maison de la culture et Bibliothèque et Archives Canada.

Je crois qu'il y aura trois tours sur le site, d'une hauteur variant entre 17 et 25 étages. (De mémoire il n'y a rien d'aussi haut dans tout le secteur de Gatineau.)

Le projet qui avait jadis été évoqué dans les médias a été modifié de beaucoup, notamment en y amputant l'hôtel qui devait y être construit.

https://www.gatineau.ca/upload/avis_publ...8Le-T1biAN7ceH6H7demiQnlyd85LaFvO2CSh14o

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The real metric is in fact percentages, not sheer numbers.

The % of people in Arnprior who commute to work in Ottawa is far higher than the % of Hamiltonians who commute to Toronto.

Also the fact that Ottawa’s city limits are huge, so there’s probably plenty of people who work ‘in Ottawa’ who barely enter the actual urban area.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Beedok

Also the fact that Ottawa’s city limits are huge, so there’s probably plenty of people who work ‘in Ottawa’ who barely enter the actual urban area.

I was thinking the same thing. I suspect a very large proportion of those "people in Arnprior who commute to work in Ottawa" actually work in Kanata. A commute from Arnprior to Kanata would be analogous to a commute from Hamilton to Mississauga (which is a different city than Toronto).