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Old Posted Jan 12, 2022, 10:22 PM
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Who knows? This is the nth iteration of such rumours but this time it feels a bit different. As in, numerous credible sources are actually (carefully) mentioning it this time whereas previously nobody was really touching the story.

Ian Mendes also wrote a piece in the Athletic stating that there are “multiple ownership groups that are waiting in the wings and would happily step up and purchase this team if it was actually on the market.” Elliotte Friedman has also recently discussed this during a segment; others have too.

I’ll be over here remaining hopeful but not holding my breath.
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2022, 12:41 PM
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It would make sense for Eugene Melnyk to bid on LeBreton again

Bruce Garrioch, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Feb 28, 2022 • 8 hours ago • 4 minute read


Sometimes silence can speak volumes.

As the National Capital Commission’s deadline passed Monday at noon for requests for expressions of interest (REI) in a major attraction at LeBreton Flats, the Ottawa Senators wouldn’t confirm or deny owner Eugene Melnyk had re-entered the process to build a rink just 10 minutes from downtown.

Nobody will dare to confirm it, but it wouldn’t be a shocker if the Senators did dip their toe in the pool again for a rink at LeBreton Flats because if you don’t put your foot in the door for a downtown arena now, then it will be shut completely.

Keeping this option on the table makes sense for Melnyk.

“No comment,” is how Anthony LeBlanc, Senators president of business operations, responded to Postmedia on Monday afternoon.

The NCC indicated it may not release the names of the bidders until its board meeting in April but Ottawa is small town and it’s likely they will all be public by then.

“As the (REI) process is confidential, we will not be providing information on any proponents during the evaluation and negotiation period,” NCC spokesperson Mario Tremblay stated in an email on Monday.

“At any point, the NCC reserves the right to announce a successful proponent or proponents for one or both of the major attraction sites, or launch a subsequent procurement process such as requests for proposals.”

Fair enough. With lots of competition involved for the valuable piece of land and given the fact the NCC wants secrecy, silence is probably the best route for any group involved in this process to take.

“Proponents are not permitted to make any public announcements, comments or media releases, including creating content on social media, pertaining to the details of their submissions as part of the REI process,” NCC said in the fine print of its “Building LeBreton” document. “Contravention of this provision is grounds for disqualification, at the sole discretion of the NCC.”

Maybe the NCC is being quiet because it didn’t like that its deal with the RendezVous LeBreton group went completely off the rails and so publicly, for all to see.

While many doubt the Senators would go down this road again after it went sour and ended up in lawsuits with partner John Ruddy of Trinity Developments the last time, this latest negotiation is a phased approach to building on the site.

In this round, the NCC is looking for ideas on a piece of land that’s about 6.3 acres.

That’s big enough to hold a shiny new rink with maybe some restaurants nearby where you can have a post-game pint before catching the LRT back home, as long as it’s operating properly, of course.

The Canadian Tire Centre opened its doors in January, 1996 and, while upgrades have been made, its showing its age.

Sure, you could think Senators might be once-bitten and twice shy. But the description of possible options for the land that NCC chief executive officer Tobi Nussbaum included in the letter he wrote, and which was attached to the REI, may as well have been personal invite to Melnyk to make a bid.

“What does a major attraction look like? Some people think sports arena, some think concert hall, some think exposition space, and some have other ideas,” Nussbaum said.

“We are leaving the canvas blank so creative minds can suggest innovative and financially sound concepts that could capture our interest.”

The canvas may be blank, but it sounds to me like they’d gladly paint the lines on the rink for Melnyk if he decided he wanted to bring his Senators downtown. Not only that, it would be a major concert venue that would attract more big acts to the nation’s capital.

We’ve said this before, it makes sense for the NCC to have the Senators as the centrepiece at LeBreton. It turns it into a destination and if you want a good example of how a rink revitalized the downtown, all you have to do is look at the ICE District in Edmonton that houses Rogers Place Arena.

The last time a major event centre was part of the LeBreton discussion was when the Senators and Trinity Developments won preferred status to build a new arena and mixed-use development on the site. The falling out between the two companies sent the NCC back to the drawing board – and that was more than two years ago.

Melnyk and Ruddy couldn’t come to a final agreement on the deal at LeBreton and the partnership fell apart. Melnyk’s Capital Sports Management Inc. sued Ruddy for $700 million and then Trinity counter-sued for $1 billion. That case is scheduled to go to court in late 2022.

We’ve heard suggestions of maybe putting a Ferris wheel, aquarium, museum or gallery on the site. Let’s be serious, you’re not going to be breaking the bank with visitors for those attractions.

The idea of a downtown rink looked all but dead, that is, until Melnyk wedged the door open again in December when he sent this statement to Postmedia after the NCC confirmed it was starting the process again.

“We’re always open and interested in a new multi-purpose entertainment facility at LeBreton Flats,” Melnyk said “And understand how it can benefit our fans and the Ottawa Senators hockey club generally.”

We understand Melnyk and the Senators can’t say anything but we’re willing to bet the club is back in the race again. Only time will tell.

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Old Posted Mar 1, 2022, 1:34 PM
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build a rink just 10 minutes from downtown.
Maybe if you're walking. It's about two minutes any other way (bike, car, O-Train).

It seems a lot of the focus when it comes to an NHL arena is, well, the NHL. The media, the NCC and those who promote the idea of a downtown rink need to put more emphasis on concerts, shows, other sports events, which can often represent more business than the NHL itself. Ottawa is passed over far too often due to our poorly located NHL arena and our outdated, mid-sized arena with a better location, but poorly served by transit.

That said, after being burned numerous times, I'm not getting my hopes up until an arena is built and the Sens play their inaugural game against the Canadiens de Montréal.
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Maybe if you're walking. It's about two minutes any other way (bike, car, O-Train).

It seems a lot of the focus when it comes to an NHL arena is, well, the NHL. The media, the NCC and those who promote the idea of a downtown rink need to put more emphasis on concerts, shows, other sports events, which can often represent more business than the NHL itself. Ottawa is passed over far too often due to our poorly located NHL arena and our outdated, mid-sized arena with a better location, but poorly served by transit.

That said, after being burned numerous times, I'm not getting my hopes up until an arena is built and the Sens play their inaugural game against the Canadiens de Montréal.
That line immediately stuck out to me too.

Sure, Lebreton is not "downtown", but in the grand scheme of it all, taking into account the entire city, the area is downtown. In the same vein, Calgary's Saddledome is not downtown then.

The author then goes on to say that if Melnyk wanted to "bring his Senators downtown" he could help paint the blank canvas, and that this rink could help "revitalize downtown"... well it's 10 mins from downtown! Can't be both.
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There is 0 chance Bruce wrote that article without Eugene's blessing... I'd say its all but confirmed he put in a bid...
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There is 0 chance Bruce wrote that article without Eugene's blessing... I'd say its all but confirmed he put in a bid...
That's an interesting statement... it would be nice if it was confirmed. Do you know something that we don't?

And welcome to the forum
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That's an interesting statement... it would be nice if it was confirmed. Do you know something that we don't?
It's pretty widely known, or perhaps not, that Garrioch is a friendly reporter for Melnyk.
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2022, 6:13 PM
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Garrioch is indeed a mouthpiece for Melnyk. This article is a sure sign the bid is (going) in.
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Every time I bike through Lebreton, take the O-Train, or drive down the Parkway I think of how awesome of a spot for an entertainment venue this is. There is no other location that comes close in terms of transit access, central, close to 1000s of on-street and underground parking spots. One thing I do hope, though, is that they bury the structure significantly like they did to the new L.A. football stadium. Makes for a much less imposing structure and a more pedestrian-friendly environment. SOFI is buried 100ft underground. Obviously, we wouldn't have to go that deep but it's an amazing feat of engineering!



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Melnyk can’t afford anything remotely nice looking like that

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Every time I bike through Lebreton, take the O-Train, or drive down the Parkway I think of how awesome of a spot for an entertainment venue this is. There is no other location that comes close in terms of transit access, central, close to 1000s of on-street and underground parking spots. One thing I do hope, though, is that they bury the structure significantly like they did to the new L.A. football stadium. Makes for a much less imposing structure and a more pedestrian-friendly environment. SOFI is buried 100ft underground. Obviously, we wouldn't have to go that deep but it's an amazing feat of engineering!



I hate to sound negative but the SOFI stadium is probably the most expensive one in the world, having cost nearly $US 5 billion. On the other hand, Eugene Melnyk, while being wealthy, is very frugal. He has purchased the team for a bargain and has failed to invest in it. Hopefully he buys the land and some wealthy investor can purchase the team and build a stadium which would be a landmark in Ottawa.
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DCDLS wanted to build their stadium partly underground. Too bad the design wasn't great and their overall plan was terrible.

I'm hoping for something similar to the MTS Centre in Winnipeg. Not too in your face, well integrated in the urban landscape. Or Little Ceasars in Detroit, a little more interesting, but still some fantastic street presence. Even what's proposed (and now canceled?) in Calgary. I think 16,000-17,000 would suffice.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Life_Centre

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EGAN: NCC to provide update on LeBreton 'major event' centre

Kelly Eagan, Ottawa Citizen
Apr 04, 2022 - 3 minute read


There’s a good deal of chatter around town about the fresh possibility of an NHL arena at LeBreton Flats. It’s nearly Easter, after all, when thoughts turn to resurrecting the dead.

The National Capital Commission had a Feb. 28 deadline for “expressions of interest” in two parcels of undeveloped land on the Flats, including a big chunk (6.3 acres) suitable for a “major event centre,” and a smaller one, at 1.2 acres, that could hold complimentary uses.

So, in theory, one is for the rink, one for the bars and hoopla.

The NCC’s board is meeting Thursday and has set aside a 30-minute update on LeBreton from Katie Paris, the project’s director. Presumably, there will be news.

We are reliably told the Ottawa Senators will express an interest, though “no comment” has so far been the official line from the team. (Proponents take what amounts to a blood oath to keep things confidential or risk disqualification.)

People who follow the hockey world sure think something is a-shaking.

TSN’s Shawn Simpson, an insightful hockey insider, had this to say in a tweet last week: “I know of four groups interested in buying the Sens. All four are looking at staying in Ottawa and being part of the LeBreton project.”

And Elliotte Friedman, the well-connected, multi-channelled commentator, wrote this a few days ago.

“The key thing to know is the NHL was very protective of (Eugene) Melnyk and the Senators. They’d warn not to predict the team was in any danger of moving. They pushed back against some tough stories. And they were well aware as, sadly, Melnyk’s health deteriorated over the past couple of weeks.

“I do believe they have a vision of a strong organization in a beautiful, new downtown arena.”

Add to this musings from our own Bruce Garrioch, a Sens beat reporter from Day 1, that it would make sense for the club to express some interest in this go-around, a proposition he’d be willing to bet on.

So, we shall see.

The good news, really, is there are reasons to think a LeBreton arena might actually work this time.

The first is simplicity. This is a vision to build one NHL-sized arena on one specific site. The earlier failed process — which took four years and ended in lawsuits and bitter divisions — was for the whole enchilada of 50-some acres. And so the two final players came up with massively complex proposals that would have taken years, even decades, to complete: an arena, thousands of housing units, stores, offices, a school, possibly a second community arena, an automotive museum; all in multi-billion-dollar efforts to out whiz-bang each other.

And, importantly, the winning bid was a revenue-stream house-of-cards in which all the pieces were to feed off each other.

So, not only did the Melnyk-involved bid have many moving parts, but it relied on a wobbly premise: that a number of headstrong businesspeople could form a multi-year partnership that would survive ups and downs in economic fortunes and the vagaries of their own personalities.

Secondly, and this one is harder to read, but what will Melnyk’s untimely death in March mean for a possible Senators redo on the arena plan? Are things more favourable because some of the ill-will is off the table, or more difficult because the ownership-succession, long term, is still up in the air?

Whatever happens this week, we do know this is merely the first step.

The NCC document says, “at its discretion,” the Crown corporation is free to proceed with a “second procurement phase” on one or both parcels. It can proceed with a shortlist of qualified bidders or it can negotiate directly with one.

This second step would be some kind of interim agreement. It would last 12 to 18 months and would allow the parties to develop designs in more detail, negotiate with the City of Ottawa on the approvals process, assess the feasibility of the plan and do proper diligence on the financials.

Here’s one site, build one thing — it just seems the cleaner way to go, as demonstrated by the success of the joint-library project at the eastern end of the Flats. (Whatever you think of the main branch location, at least we have shovels in the ground.)

We have two new LRT stations feeding into a large empty space on the edge of the beautiful Ottawa River. It is where this thing needs to go.

Surely, we can’t screw this up again?

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I know the arena is the focus, but I really hope we have something like a rehabilitation/sustainability aquarium or zoo that can be added into one of the districts. Maybe they can re-shift the focus of the huge grass lot they wanted to include originally. One could hope, it would really help add another attraction to highlight LeBreton. Would suck if Lebreton is just the arena with small 27 floor condos hovering around with no proper retail, nightlife areas, cafes/restos, or other actual attractions.

Here's hoping we can figure out a proper plan for our Senators with a plan to bring them downtown.
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I know the arena is the focus, but I really hope we have something like a rehabilitation/sustainability aquarium or zoo that can be added into one of the districts. Maybe they can re-shift the focus of the huge grass lot they wanted to include originally. One could hope, it would really help add another attraction to highlight LeBreton. Would suck if Lebreton is just the arena with small 27 floor condos hovering around with no proper retail, nightlife areas, cafes/restos, or other actual attractions.

Here's hoping we can figure out a proper plan for our Senators with a plan to bring them downtown.
If the arena goes ahead on the ~6 acre plot (part of Albert district) mentioned in the REI, it wouldn't leave much room for another major attraction within the project limits under the current plan. The adjacent ~1 acre plot (in the Aqueduct district) that's part of the same REI would likely be complementary uses for the arena. I agree that it would be nice if they could re-appropriate some of the parkland in the Park district to create some sort of secondary attraction like an aquarium or a zoo, but I worry about space constraints assuming the NCC still wants to achieve everything it had planned for that district.

As far as retail, nightlife, bars/restos, etc. I'm not too worried about a lack of such. Those things can be incorporated into most street level retail spaces, so I would assume those amenities will be present at the ground level of most of the mixed use developments planned for the project.
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That would be one tiny zoo! I consider the Granby Zoo to be around the minimum size a zoo can be to be decent, and using Gmaps measurement tool I see the actual zoo area of Granby is around 170,000 m², which is pretty darned close in size to the entirety of all available development land that hasn't landed an approved development yet in all of Lebreton Flats.
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I know the arena is the focus, but I really hope we have something like a rehabilitation/sustainability aquarium or zoo that can be added into one of the districts. Maybe they can re-shift the focus of the huge grass lot they wanted to include originally. One could hope, it would really help add another attraction to highlight LeBreton. Would suck if Lebreton is just the arena with small 27 floor condos hovering around with no proper retail, nightlife areas, cafes/restos, or other actual attractions.

Here's hoping we can figure out a proper plan for our Senators with a plan to bring them downtown.
With how loud animal activists have been in recent years, I don't think we'll be seeing new zoos anywhere for a while (if ever). Maybe an aquarium could work.
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It's too bad because many of the ethically oriented modern zoos do extremely important conservation and animal welfare work beyond the confines of their walls.
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There's already Parc Omega less than 1h from Ottawa. I also dont think a zoo has any place in the downtown core of any city
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I wasn't imagining anything elaborate as far as a zoo would go. Isn't there one tucked into High Park in Toronto?
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There's already Parc Omega less than 1h from Ottawa. I also dont think a zoo has any place in the downtown core of any city
The Smithsonian Zoo and the Calgary Zoo are fantastic and they are both very central! Not to mention the most famous zoo in the world, the San Diego zoo, which is right downtown...
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