Canadian City Proposals - Page 890

905er · #**17781** Posted **Mar 1, 2022, 3:23 PM**

that looks like a pair of jail houses sitting on top of stacked parking lots... epic fail of a design.

WhipperSnapper · #**17782** Posted **Mar 1, 2022, 4:15 PM**

The original HNR Building in Toronto is terra cotta.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.6559047,-...vJrXg5MZV12pLbSloI1BQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I don't know why the tower was reclad. It makes sense that there were issues with the tiles as Drew has stated but it could have been another reason. Terra Cotta may not have been considered as quality as limestone.

WhipperSnapper · #**17783** Posted **Mar 1, 2022, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by 905er

that looks like a pair of jail houses sitting on top of stacked parking lots... epic fail of a design.

The whole Golden Mile is a massive fail. The early vision of human scaled mixed use development has, of course, morphed into massive sister towers on massive podiums. An elevated, grade separated LRT would fit right in with what is being proposed now.

(Torontonians aren't as distracted by overhead wires as suburban Vancouverites aren't as distracted by elevated rail on precast concrete segments. Calgarians aren't distracted by Plus 15 bridges) An elevated lrt down Eglinton has mentioned many times)

TorontoDrew · #**17784** Posted **Mar 1, 2022, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

The original HNR Building in Toronto is terra cotta.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.6559047,-...vJrXg5MZV12pLbSloI1BQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I don't know why the tower was reclad. It makes sense that there were issues with the tiles as Drew has stated but it could have been another reason. Terra Cotta may not have been considered as quality as limestone.

I was going to mention the HnR building.

Nouvellecosse · #**17785** Posted **Mar 1, 2022, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

The whole Golden Mile is a massive fail. The early vision of human scaled mixed use development has, of course, morphed into massive sister towers on massive podiums. An elevated, grade separated LRT would fit right in with what is being proposed now.

(Torontonians aren't as distracted by overhead wires as suburban Vancouverites aren't as distracted by elevated rail on precast concrete segments. Calgarians aren't distracted by Plus 15 bridges) An elevated lrt down Eglinton has mentioned many times)

I feel like "visions" are completely non-substantive unless enforced by policy. Without the vision having some enforcement mechanism such as exclusionary zoning that prohibits building above a certain low/midrise height, development is unlikely to be anything other than highrises. Visions suggesting otherwise are no more reality than a fantasy novel.

The reason that some of us advocate(d) for an elevated light metro rather than the chosen LRT is that we knew the "human scaled development" vision mere fantasy to begin with. I'm not implying that this is a good outcome as I strongly wish for more medium, human-scaled density. Although I'd prefer to see it in places where high density isn't allowed rather than replacing high density in the places that permit it. I want to see streets like Warden and Pharmacy become medium density corridors all the way from Danforth to Finch perhaps incorporating new streetcar routes. And Eglinton can enjoy its highrises.

WhipperSnapper · #**17786** Posted **Mar 1, 2022, 10:59 PM**

These were paid city conducted studies. The densities weren't low to medium by any means. More buildings on smaller blocks. At the very least, these big box mall owners could avoid twins, triplets and, quads in their commonplace big block masterplans

bungalows and backlots on Scarborough North South arterial streets makes zero sense. I also don't think it's in Toronto's best interest to have Scarborough grow to over a million people and onwards.

Nouvellecosse · #**17787** Posted **Mar 2, 2022, 1:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

These were paid city conducted studies. The densities weren't low to medium by any means. More buildings on smaller blocks. At the very least, these big box mall owners could avoid twins, triplets and, quads in their commonplace big block masterplans

bungalows and backlots on Scarborough North South arterial streets makes zero sense. I also don't think it's in Toronto's best interest to have Scarborough grow to over a million people and onwards.

What's wrong with Scarborough growing to over 1 million? A million would only be a density of about 5300/km2 which is significantly less dense than Queens, NY's second least dense borough at over 8500/km2. That isn't extreme density at all. Growth in any part of the city is going to require new infrastructure, but if the metro area is going to grow, then having it in the city proper is much better than out in the burbs imo. Certainly easier and more efficient to serve infrastructure wise.

WhipperSnapper · #**17788** Posted **Mar 2, 2022, 5:06 AM**

Note: I couldn't care less after I'm dead.

Haven't seen a New York comparison in some time. I don't care about the GTA reaching 10 to 12 million either. Part of that is that we don't build big dollar infrastructure fast enough.

Ionview is possibly the largest collection of medium rise, modernist apartment buildings in the city. I would have preferred a mixed use version at over two times the density developed in the Golden Mile. Honestly, I don't think that would be much less than what is proposed. It's more a matter of redistribution of density closer to grade in smaller 10 to 12 storey high rises with a slim tower here and there.

vanman · #**17789** Posted **Mar 2, 2022, 10:24 PM**

Preliminary proposal for Brentwood West in Burnaby.

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Brentwood West will have four towers ranging from 39 to 64 floors. Perfect height for the center part of Brentwood and I love how close to each other these towers will be compared to everything else in the area being so sparsely spaced.

https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/burnaby-needs-feedback-on-brentwood-development-plan-5113994

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Here's the slides for the project.

https://burnaby.civilspace.io/en/projects/brentwood-west-master-plan

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The Master Plan sets the conceptual framework for future site specific rezoning applications
that would rezone the properties from their current CD Comprehensive Development
District (based on C2 - Community Commercial District, C3 - General Commercial District,
C4 - Service Commercial District) zoning designation to an Amended CD Comprehensive
Development District (based on RM5s and RM5r - Multiple Family Residential District, and
C3 - General Commercial District) which permit a gross floor area ratio (FAR) of up to 8.3 for
residential and 6.0 for commercial use for a maximum total of 14.3 FAR.
The equivalent of 20% of the proposed market units derived from the base RM5s density,
would need to be provided as affordable rental at a rate of 20% below CMHC market median
rents for that neighbourhood. This number of rental units is required as rental housing
through the provision of the RM5r District. An additional 1.1 density offset is available as part
of the Inclusionary Rental Stream within the RM5 district.
Based on our analysis and discussions with the City of Burnaby and ownership for sites 1 and
2, a 12.81 FAR density is being proposed while the maximum density of 14.3 FAR is being
planned for sites 3 and 4. All final densities and building forms will be refined and ultimately
determined through future site specific rezonings.

Al Ski · #**17790** Posted **Mar 3, 2022, 4:02 AM**

I'm guessing that sanctions upon Russian Oligarch dark money and the coming financial collapse may save us from more of these cheapo/crapo abominations.
One can only hope.

Coldrsx · #**17791** Posted **Mar 3, 2022, 3:43 PM**

A nice low-rise proposal for Edmonton showing that yes, a good looking low-rise CAN be done in that city.

https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/forum...hcona-gateway-23m-6s.31806/#post-1795373

905er · #**17792** Posted **Mar 3, 2022, 5:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

A nice low-rise proposal for Edmonton showing that yes, a good looking low-rise CAN be done in that city.

https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/forum...hcona-gateway-23m-6s.31806/#post-1795373

that's debatable. I don't think this low rise is particularly that good looking.

Innsertnamehere · #**17793** Posted **Mar 3, 2022, 6:39 PM**

new renderings for a project in suburban Stoney Creek up on the Mountian:

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Found these renderings on buzzbuzzhome:

https://www.buzzbuzzhome.com/ca/central-park--soho

This appears to be the application for four 8-storey apartment buildings at 505 Highland St W here.

The City's site plan application description:

To construct four eight storey apartment buildings with 672 units with underground and surface parking spaces.

O-tacular · #**17794** Posted **Mar 3, 2022, 6:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by vanman

Preliminary proposal for Brentwood West in Burnaby.

That is quite a critical mass of buildings. Will really beef up the urban fabric of the area.

WhipperSnapper · #**17795** Posted **Mar 3, 2022, 8:57 PM**

What exactly is affordable rental. 10% off? oh, nevermind - 20% off

Would the affordable/market rentals and condos all share the same lobbies/elevators?

The 3 towers would be on shared, 12ish storey podium in the GTA

TorontoDrew · #**17796** Posted **Mar 4, 2022, 2:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

A nice low-rise proposal for Edmonton showing that yes, a good looking low-rise CAN be done in that city.

https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/forum...hcona-gateway-23m-6s.31806/#post-1795373

How is this good looking? It looks cheap and basic. It looks like a Travel Lodge Motel.

Coldrsx · #**17797** Posted **Mar 4, 2022, 3:35 AM**

The standard is this:

HomeInMyShoes · #**17798** Posted **Mar 4, 2022, 1:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

The standard is this:

Ugh, my eyes. This is totally a Simpsons episode.

"Ugh...I'll take the crab juice."

WhipperSnapper · #**17799** Posted **Mar 4, 2022, 2:47 PM**

These wooden/steel stud horizontal supertalls are always overly complicated facades that attempt more to break up the verticality than the horizontal mass.

Both of these are disasters. One could have been saved if the architect showed some restraint knowing when to call it finished instead of adding another pippy poo. (to quote urbandreamer)

Nouvellecosse · #**17800** Posted **Mar 4, 2022, 3:33 PM**

Those strips of stone on the last one. It's bad enough to have a lot of competing colours and textures but why are the stone strips... there? It's not like they made the ground floor one material and the upper floors another. Or they used a different material to accent a feature like the balconies or the windows. There's some stone accenting windows columns and other stone strips between window columns. I don't understand it.