Downtown Vancouver Updates

[Changing City]

An additional detail on The Bay proposal noted on CBC's reporting. It's not just an HBC development, it's with RioCan Real Estate Trust. They have investments across Canada, including in BC, but as far as I can see, nothing Downtown here.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by Changing City

An additional detail on The Bay proposal noted on CBC's reporting. It's not just an HBC development, it's with RioCan Real Estate Trust. They have investments across Canada, including in BC, but as far as I can see, nothing Downtown here.

As someone with a significant stake in RioCan. I hope they kill it.

[officedweller]

I think RioCan was involved with the redevelopment of the top 2 floors for WeWork at one time.


Did anyone attend today?

Is the yellow thing on this drawing a bike ramp down to the bike parkade?
If so, it looks like it is on the Seymour St. right-of-way, the entrance is in the curb lane, and it is facing counterflow to car traffic on Seymour St.
Note that this drawng shows the "area-ways" (basement floors) in royal blue that extend beyond the building under the sidewalks,
so those basement floors have a larger floorplate.


https://vancouver.thebaybuilding.ca/

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by djmk

With a rooftop so huge, put a real amenity that the public actually needs. like a community soccer field with lights that can be rented to local clubs/community groups. That would be so incredibly awesome.

From their press release: "A rooftop garden and internal multi-level atriums are also planned for use by tenants in the new building."

[hollywoodnorth]

its funny as all the renders make it seem like a "glorious cube" but its not that back "stubby side" off Seymour is not handled well and the back end view is not attractive to say the least.




pics from >> https://www.urbanyvr.com/hudsons-bay-vancouver-redevelopment/

[madog222]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Is the yellow thing on this drawing a bike ramp down to the bike parkade?
If so, it looks like it is on the Seymour St. right-of-way, the entrance is in the curb lane, and it is facing counterflow to car traffic on Seymour St.

Confirmed!




https://www.urbanyvr.com/hudsons-bay-vancouver-redevelopment/

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by madog222

Confirmed!




https://www.urbanyvr.com/hudsons-bay-vancouver-redevelopment/

Thanks!
I guess it's fed from the Dunsmuir bike lane. But where is the exit? Maybe the ramp is 2-way?

...and that 2nd render shows that SkyTrain access off the corridor. Looks like it's more circuitous than necessary.

Agreed on the ugly north sides of the building. It'll be especially bad for residents of The Hudson.

[urbanight93]

The HBC building definitely needs some more love but i don't think this proposal is the way to do it. My main qualm is that the addition is overwhelming the existing structure and needs to be more set back and deferential relative to the heritage structure. I like Montreal's HBC office addition more because of that.

Also, architecturally, i find the glass addition to neither create enough contrast nor make enough sense (through references, allusions or callbacks) to the original. Though i like copper accents generally, i fail to see how they relate here. The original building is timeless and i'd rather we stay away from trendy crutches that cheapen the overall effect (thank god no protruding boxes for example).

Overall, refinements are definitely needed IMO. I do like the east-west connection being moved to street level though.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Agreed on the ugly north sides of the building. It'll be especially bad for residents of The Hudson.

Maybe the message will finally get through that living in a condo in the CBD comes with a risk of a large office building next door, or across the lane. This was one of the last projects that was allowed before the Metro Core Employment Plan saw residential removed from the CBD (except in exceptional circumstances). At least here they aren't proposing windows facing condos, so the overlook objections that the Jameson residents mounted won't be relevant. As The Hudson is live/work, maybe the suites can transition to office or other commercial uses over time.

[Sheba]

A few images from the Vancouver Sun. The renders and the model look very different.


Pictured is an architectural mock-up of the future building on display at the HBC downtown store Wednesday, February 23, 2022. Photo by Jason Payne /PNG


Handout rendering of the proposed Bay building at Granville and Georgia. PNG


A model of the proposed 12-storey addition to the Hudson’s Bay building in downtown Vancouver. This is the view looking west from Seymour Street. Photo by Jason Payne /PNG


Birds-eye view of the proposal for a 12-storey addition to the Hudson’s Bay store at Georgia and Granville. This view is looking northeast. PNG

Also the Montreal location that urbanight93 mentioned.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Sheba

A few images from the Vancouver Sun. The renders and the model look very different.


Pictured is an architectural mock-up of the future building on display at the HBC downtown store Wednesday, February 23, 2022. Photo by Jason Payne /PNG


Handout rendering of the proposed Bay building at Granville and Georgia. PNG


A model of the proposed 12-storey addition to the Hudson’s Bay building in downtown Vancouver. This is the view looking west from Seymour Street. Photo by Jason Payne /PNG


Birds-eye view of the proposal for a 12-storey addition to the Hudson’s Bay store at Georgia and Granville. This view is looking northeast. PNG

Also the Montreal location that urbanight93 mentioned.

Ugh. Way uglier than the renders. The addition totally dominates the historic building and makes it seem unbalanced.

[Denscity]

Now the addition looks like the original building, not all glassy n glossy like the render suggests.

[GenWhy?]

Doesn't this look like almost every addition to a 100 year old "podium"... just bigger?

[officedweller]

I think it's an eco-friendly model made of wood.
The addition will probably look like The Post.

Originally Posted by Changing City

Maybe the message will finally get through that living in a condo in the CBD comes with a risk of a large office building next door, or across the lane. This was one of the last projects that was allowed before the Metro Core Employment Plan saw residential removed from the CBD (except in exceptional circumstances). At least here they aren't proposing windows facing condos, so the overlook objections that the Jameson residents mounted won't be relevant. As The Hudson is live/work, maybe the suites can transition to office or other commercial uses over time.

Are there any windows proposed on the inside of the "L"?
I think the Hudson suites the worst off will be those facing east tucked in behind the north extension of the HBC Building. There aren't many Hudson suites facing directly south.

[Vin]

This will be a good time if the City can finally do some good by coming in to allow a supertall on top of the Bay building. I can't think of anyone in the neighbourhood and downtown that would be unhappy about that.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I think it's an eco-friendly model made of wood.
The addition will probably look like The Post.

Are there any windows proposed on the inside of the "L"?
I think the Hudson suites the worst off will be those facing east tucked in behind the north extension of the HBC Building. There aren't many Hudson suites facing directly south.

The only image I can find (on the Daily Hive twitter feed) suggests there are some facing the heritage Hunter Bros building, but not directly onto the tower.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

High demand for large floorplates downtown.

That may be a fact, but do you have any source for that? Also, if that were so, why wasn't the Post towers combined to provide even larger floorplates? Makes me wonder if this is actually a myth perpetuated by those who hate the talls.

I say there is an even higher demand for office spaces with great views high on top anyone else, and no, I don't have a source for that.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Changing City

The only image I can find (on the Daily Hive twitter feed) suggests there are some facing the heritage Hunter Bros building, but not directly onto the tower.

A larger copy of that pic https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMTO86uVcAETIbs?format=jpg&name=medium

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Changing City

The only image I can find (on the Daily Hive twitter feed) suggests there are some facing the heritage Hunter Bros building, but not directly onto the tower.

Thanks.
At least they aren't looking into a massive, dam-like wall.

This rendering shows the east-west corridor along the same axis as the existing SkyTrain entrance, so I guess that escalator won't be all that circuitous,
but the corridor will be single-side loaded for a stretch (wall on north side).
I wonder how the elevations inside the store will be resolved (wrt the slope of Granville St. relative to Georgia St.)


https://retail-insider.com/retail-inside...interview-with-president-wayne-drummond/

[mcminsen]

Originally Posted by sheba

a larger copy of that pic



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/fmto86uvcaetibs?format=jpg&name=medium