Canadian City Proposals - Page 885

Innsertnamehere · #**17681** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 3:08 PM**

Why so short? feels like a waste of GFA to stay short like that, I figured there would be a tower on top of it, especially since real estate is so valuable in downtown Vancouver.

WhipperSnapper · #**17682** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 4:19 PM**

That looks a shitload of gross floor area. There's probably a view corridor preventing the floor space to be distributed in a tower.

TorontoDrew · #**17683** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 4:32 PM**

It's nice but I'd rather see the Bay remain as is.

Here is a possible nice little info for Queen Street East Riverside. I've got to say I like how Queen East is developing. Much smaller scale and more organically then most other areas of downtown.

751 Queen East

Source urbantoronto.ca

Address: 751 Queen St E, Toronto, Ontario, M4M 1H3
Category: Condo, Rental, Retail
Status: Pre-Construction
Number of Buildings: 1
Height: 65 ft / 19.66 m
Storeys 5
Number of Units: 9
Developer: Hanhard Enterprises Inc
Architect: Roundabout Studio Inc
Heritage Architect: ERA Architects
Landscape Architect: STUDIO tla
Engineering: Canopy Consulting Inc., Fabian Papa & Partners, Terraprobe Inc
Planning: Goldberg Group
Site Services Askan Piller Corporation Ltd
Transportation & Infrastructure: BA Consulting Group Ltd.

It will be 2 doors down from the in sales Biblio Condo seen here with the arches.

WhipperSnapper · #**17684** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 4:49 PM**

I agree on no addition.

JHikka · #**17685** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 4:52 PM**

HBC Vancouver looks great. Think the addition fits the scale well.

O-tacular · #**17686** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 4:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

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Please no!!! The Ice District so far has managed to have decent if slightly boring buildings. This thing is garish and will age horribly. It suffers from a serious case of Toronto style Cankleitus. The tower lazily plopped on to top of a historic building with awkward proportions connected by a big fat blue glass cankle. I'd take classic designs like Stantec over this any day.

J.OT13 · #**17687** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 4:57 PM**

Liking 751 Queen East. Adds some density while respecting the human scale main street feel.

J.OT13 · #**17688** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 5:00 PM**

HBC Vancouver: oh God no! Giant box looming over the heritage HBC, no thanks. Would they need to demo HBC, or just gut the interior and add columns for the new box?

Coldrsx · #**17689** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

Please no!!! The Ice District so far has managed to have decent if slightly boring buildings. This thing is garish and will age horribly. It suffers from a serious case of Toronto style Cankleitus. The tower lazily plopped on to top of a historic building with awkward proportions and separation of office vs condo space. I'd take classic designs like Stantec over this any day.

Concur in full.

Insensitive and obtrusive to get as much FAR as possible.

The 'developer' has a record of rezoning to way above zoning and then not doing anything and creating a stale DC1/2.

O-tacular · #**17690** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 5:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Concur in full.

Insensitive and obtrusive to get as much FAR as possible.

The 'developer' has a record of rezoning to way above zoning and then not doing anything and creating a stale DC1/2.

Hopefully it just ends up being a zoning exercise.

hipster duck · #**17691** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 5:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

I've got to say I like how Queen East is developing. Much smaller scale and more organically then most other areas of downtown.

751 Queen East

Source urbantoronto.ca

Address: 751 Queen St E, Toronto, Ontario, M4M 1H3
Category: Condo, Rental, Retail
Status: Pre-Construction
Number of Buildings: 1
Height: 65 ft / 19.66 m
Storeys 5
Number of Units: 9
Developer: Hanhard Enterprises Inc
Architect: Roundabout Studio Inc
Heritage Architect: ERA Architects
Landscape Architect: STUDIO tla
Engineering: Canopy Consulting Inc., Fabian Papa & Partners, Terraprobe Inc
Planning: Goldberg Group
Site Services Askan Piller Corporation Ltd
Transportation & Infrastructure: BA Consulting Group Ltd.

All things considered, Queen street is the best commercial street in Canada (sorry Montreal). This city puts up a lot of 🞵🞵🞵🞵, but there seems to be some subconscious agreement among developers and planners that whatever goes up on Queen street should respect the current built form and granularity. Other than a few dull but workable mid rises near Queen and Woodbine, most of the stuff that’s been built along Queen east or west has been quite sensitive to it’s surroundings.

J.OT13 · #**17692** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 6:23 PM**

WhipperSnapper · #**17693** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 6:30 PM**

We'll have to wait and see what precedence Queen & Ashbridge sets. It's completely overbuilt as condo are being used to help pay to replace non market units. From experience, these situations tend to lose the unique justifications and become the new norm for future development.

Denscity · #**17694** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 6:46 PM**

Looks like the completed Bay project in Vancouver will include 1 million square feet office space which is great because Vancouver has the lowest office vacancy rate in the entire country.

TorontoDrew · #**17695** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 6:46 PM**

I don't have high hopes for Queen East near Coxwell ( Ashbridges). That area though hasn't been a pedestrian friendly area in about a century. There are huge swaths of land that are attractive to large developers. That only represents a fraction of Queen though.

TorontoDrew · #**17696** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 6:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

It suffers from a serious case of Toronto style Cankleitus.

What is that? Examples?

craner · #**17697** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 7:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by dreambrother808

HBC Downtown Vancouver

This looks ridiculous IMO.

MonkeyRonin · #**17698** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 7:52 PM**

Vancouver isn't exactly awash in heritage buildings - especially ones on the scale of HBC. Would be a shame to compromise it for another anodyne glass box on top.

dreambrother808 · #**17699** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 8:22 PM**

Some more info

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Note that they have moved the spacing of the 2 Georgia frontage canopies closer together.

Interior main floor rendering.
I'm not sure how an escalator from Granville Station could come up from the south, unless they are sending people around a circuitous route (?).

https://vancouver.thebaybuilding.ca/about/

Potentially an interior atrium in the department store (or new mall?):

https://vancouver.thebaybuilding.ca/about/

Skewed escalators like Holt Renfrew or International Village (also seen on the right side of the sketch above).

https://vancouver.thebaybuilding.ca/sustainability/

The basement levels (plural) will become a bike locker room. I suppose it's an admission that the space is not leasable.

https://vancouver.thebaybuilding.ca/about/

https://vancouver.thebaybuilding.ca/sustainability/

logan5 · #**17700** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 8:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

That looks a shitload of gross floor area. There's probably a view corridor preventing the floor space to be distributed in a tower.

Should be able to go up to around 450' or so, like the surrounding buildings. Maybe a technical issue?

The glass box looks so cheap. They should be forced to match the materials of the original Bay building. If the numbers don't work, then forget it.