2023 Transportation Master Plan

[Floppa]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Ottawa's also nowhere near the size of either of those cities. I don't think it's a reasonable argument to say 'yeah our traffic is bad but it's not as bad as there!'. Surely solutions can be found within Ottawa that suit Ottawa more than simply looking across the street at other cities for comparables.

I think you misunderstand my point. I'm saying that having lots of transfers is okay if most of them are between rapid transit lines. We have to be better than them tho, since a transfer in Ottawa is more likely to dissuade a customer than one in Montreal.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Floppa

I think you misunderstand my point. I'm saying that having lots of transfers is okay if most of them are between rapid transit lines. We have to be better than them tho, since a transfer in Ottawa is more likely to dissuade a customer than one in Montreal.

I moved away from Ottawa just before Confederation Line opened but i'm pretty sure that line added transfers to any commute I would have made from Centretown. Buses on the transitway would take me places direct, but suddenly I would have had to transfer at Tunney's or Blair...

In saying that, one transfer is typically fine for a commute, two begins pushing it, and anything above that is untenable for a service, especially if there's no rapid frequency in the lines. Nobody wants to stand on Bank, or elsewhere, for 25 minutes waiting for a bus, just as nobody wants to stand in a subway station for longer than eight minutes waiting for a train.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by JHikka

I moved away from Ottawa just before Confederation Line opened but i'm pretty sure that line added transfers to any commute I would have made from Centretown. Buses on the transitway would take me places direct, but suddenly I would have had to transfer at Tunney's or Blair...

In saying that, one transfer is typically fine for a commute, two begins pushing it, and anything above that is untenable for a service, especially if there's no rapid frequency in the lines. Nobody wants to stand on Bank, or elsewhere, for 25 minutes waiting for a bus, just as nobody wants to stand in a subway station for longer than eight minutes waiting for a train.

I think that is exactly it. It's not transfers per se, as much as it is transfers to low-frequency services. If frequencies are anything less than 5 min for trains or 10 mins for buses, transfers become problematic.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by phil235

I think that is exactly it. It's not transfers per se, as much as it is transfers to low-frequency services. If frequencies are anything less than 5 min for trains or 10 mins for buses, transfers become problematic.

With the exception of Line 1, our system fails most of the time to meet your specification.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

With the exception of Line 1, our system fails most of the time to meet your specification.

And it doesn't even come close in most cases, even on major arteries in the urban core like Bronson and Montreal Rd.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by phil235

And it doesn't even come close in most cases, even on major arteries in the urban core like Bronson and Montreal Rd.

This is what happens when we introduce capacity planning at the same time as rail transit, which requires more frequent transfers. We build a system that is not transfer friendly. A perfect example is how we allowed capacity planning to determine the design of Line 2, with no consideration on how users were going to transfer off and on to it.

[Dengler Avenue]

https://www.ontario.ca/page/consultation...D-Cf0Isyz2PxXxEIoXwnSy40R8xvrwEiKM_XsrN8

[Nowhere]

Originally Posted by originalmuffins

Lol I don't agree at all with all the hard objection to Stage 3 to include Barrhaven (especially considering it's not planned to be done before 2030). Most major suburbs are within the plan to be apart of Stage 2 and 3 (Orleans, Kanata, Riverside South, etc.). Don't see why they wouldn't include one of the fastest growing areas in the city with an actual plan for densification in its core as well. The city boundaries are already grown. The baseline BRT is still within the plans so it's not one or the other. Really weird to see the insistence that it is one or the other. Both are in the plans to get done.

I'm not against the Barrhaven LRT, I'm just trying to stay realistic. In an ideal world, both the Baseline transitway and the Barrhaven LRT would be built, but governments, whether municipal, provincial or federal, are increasingly indebted and I think we can expect less transit infrastructure spending for the following years and decades.

If the Feds and Queen's Park are willing to fund both of them then sure, let's build the Barrhaven LRT.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Acajack

And hope that they can get away with it?

The city has zero say in a bridge anyway, the Feds will build it, or not, in a place the city wants, or not. Really both Gatineau and Ottawa are mere passengers along for the ride, but the NCC seems content to just issue a new bridge study every 20 years or so and call it a day

Edit... Nvm, I seem to have replied to an ancient post ������

[waterloowarrior]

Part of the Draft TMP is out! Policies and consultation on active transportation network

https://engage.ottawa.ca/transportation-master-plan?s=09

[J.OT13]

So far, transit wise, basically no change in 15 years. Way to evolve with the times.

I like how they identify "Equity priority neighbourhoods" on the page 124 map, yet those have little to no rapid transit planned, unless they happen to be on the way to commuter, high-income suburbs.

https://ehq-production-canada.s3.ca-cent...b253fbba4991899c5f1dadd2ddef5e7e862c8b0b

[lrt's friend]

I like the examples of multi-modal trips, which most would find very inconvenient. Most people want their trips to be as simple as possible. That is why the automobile is so popular.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

So far, transit wise, basically no change in 15 years. Way to evolve with the times.

I like how they identify "Equity priority neighbourhoods" on the page 124 map, yet those have little to no rapid transit planned, unless they happen to be on the way to commuter, high-income suburbs.

https://ehq-production-canada.s3.ca-cent...b253fbba4991899c5f1dadd2ddef5e7e862c8b0b

I noticed that too. Well, there is so much emphasis that biking can get you so much further in 10 minutes, 2.5 km, if you are young enough and fit enough and the weather is good enough and if you actually have a bike.

Of course, there is also the emphasis on private services such ride share, bike share and e-scooter share. I think that does not service equity seeking communities or anybody on limited income well.

[eltodesukane]

What’s the Matter with American Cities?
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contributes approximately six times more carbon to the atmosphere per capita than an average European city resident.
https://www.archdaily.com/976607/whats-t...tm_source=ArchDaily%20List&kth=6,434,405

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

So far, transit wise, basically no change in 15 years. Way to evolve with the times.

I like how they identify "Equity priority neighbourhoods" on the page 124 map, yet those have little to no rapid transit planned, unless they happen to be on the way to commuter, high-income suburbs.

https://ehq-production-canada.s3.ca-cent...b253fbba4991899c5f1dadd2ddef5e7e862c8b0b

I am replying to an old post, but I'm not sure if everyone on the forum realizes that the TMP is not updating the map of rapid transit/road projects until 2024. This is because the origin-destination (transportation trip) survey has been delayed and won't be complete until end of 2022 at the earliest. The current consultation is only about policies - that is why the map still looks exactly like the 2013 TMP.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

I am replying to an old post, but I'm not sure if everyone on the forum realizes that the TMP is not updating the map of rapid transit/road projects until 2024. This is because the origin-destination (transportation trip) survey has been delayed and won't be complete until end of 2022 at the earliest. The current consultation is only about policies - that is why the map still looks exactly like the 2013 TMP.

Point taken. I still have little faith the City will make any dramatic (and needed) changes unless we elect a vastly different Council this Fall.

[waterloowarrior]

March 2022 open house slides
https://engage.ottawa.ca/transportation-master-plan/news_feed/tmp-open-house-update

[waterloowarrior]

Summary of the most recent consultation
https://engage.ottawa.ca/transportation-master-plan/news_feed/tmp-as-we-heard-it-report-3

[DarthVader_1961]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Summary of the most recent consultation
https://engage.ottawa.ca/transportation-master-plan/news_feed/tmp-as-we-heard-it-report-3

This line caught my attention in the Curbside mgmt section..

“ There should be no on-street parking on commercial main streets. “

Would Bank Street fall in this category?

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by DarthVader_1961

This line caught my attention in the Curbside mgmt section..

“ There should be no on-street parking on commercial main streets. “

Would Bank Street fall in this category?

Without parking on Bank it would become a major throughfare unless they narrow it some other way.