Manitoba Highways

[esquire]

It's unfortunate that the province keeps giving in to local landowners resulting in these franken-interchanges with traffic circles and unorthodox access points like right on on-off ramps, like at 101/Henderson Hwy. That road that passes under the Portage bypass by the tracks (as shown in the diagram) would have been more than enough to provide access in this case.

[anthonyk]

Originally Posted by esquire

It's unfortunate that the province keeps giving in to local landowners resulting in these franken-interchanges with traffic circles and unorthodox access points like right on on-off ramps, like at 101/Henderson Hwy. That road that passes under the Portage bypass by the tracks (as shown in the diagram) would have been more than enough to provide access in this case.

I couldn't agree more!

Also, that Sperring Ave access off of the north side ramp at Henderson Hwy is ridiculous.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

I thought the portage interchange project started months ago?

[bomberjet]

$40 mil seems about right. On the high end of what historically would be proper. They're replacing that bridge completely from what I remember. And a lot of highway work again.

I also dislike the round-abouts going in everywhere. But I guess they're supposed to be safer than regular intersections. We shall see.

That interchange is a basically a diamond or a parclo, just on a funky angle.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by anthonyk

I couldn't agree more!

Also, that Sperring Ave access off of the north side ramp at Henderson Hwy is ridiculous.

The Sperring access thing is supposed to be dealt with from what I remember during the 59/101N project. There is a proposed option to lengthen out that ramp very long. So it basically makes it a 2 lane road that happens to be the ramp up to the bridge. Kind of like it is now, but longer.

The province could've have bought the house at the corner on Henderson and made a service road. I don't think it's for sale anymore. They could expropriate as well. The whole stretch between the highway and the backside of Wallace will be houses on day soon. Whenever ESP get's their new poop plant done.

They really should just close the access and use Mowat. But bah god the residents would lose it.

[bomberjet]

Here it is from the Perimeter Highway thread. In the first link, page 13.

Seems so silly. Just use Mowat.

Also note design of the 59 interchange was changed from Lag over to 101 over. I think that happened during the pursuit phase by the contractor. It was originally, originally shown as 101 over by MI during earlier drawings, IIRC.

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Ah, so that's what they were doing on the north service road of 101. I thought there were just rebuilding it. The detour and closure of the ramps/bridge, etc right at Lag have been in place for a month or so now.

On the East St Paul website, as part of the 101/59N interchange information boards, they show a reconfiguration of the ramp at Henderson, not part of this project. The boards are slightly different that others previously shown. Can be found here:
http://www.eaststpaul.com/_assets/MM...lic%20Info.pdf

Heres a list of activities over the next year for the project.
http://www.eaststpaul.com/_assets/co...activities.pdf

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Here it is from the Perimeter Highway thread. In the first link, page 13.

Seems so silly. Just use Mowat.

Also note design of the 59 interchange was changed from Lag over to 101 over. I think that happened during the pursuit phase by the contractor. It was originally, originally shown as 101 over by MI during earlier drawings, IIRC.

The ramp reconfiguration was part of a 5 year plan lol

Any guesses as to why it went Perimeter over? Was it better traffic management since 101 was already set up as a detour and 59 would've needed to be rerouted around otherwise?

[Biff]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The province could've have bought the house at the corner on Henderson and made a service road. I don't think it's for sale anymore. They could expropriate as well. The whole stretch between the highway and the backside of Wallace will be houses on day soon. Whenever ESP get's their new poop plant done.

That corner lot has been bought and is proposed to be a 3 storey apartment building.

[bomberjet]

We know how 5 year plans go around here lol

Point is they plan to reconfigure the ramp to lengthen it out. Which is what they're doing allover the place.

I feel like Sperring should just disappear altogether, like De Vries on the other side, and incorporate new roads when the residential goes ahead.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Biff

That corner lot has been bought and is proposed to be a 3 storey apartment building.

Interesting. There's land for sale on the SW side of the bridge being touted as multifamily.

[Biff]

^^^ They are asking way too much for their crappy property.

[bomberjet]

I missed this one or just forgot about it.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/notice/pth6/index.html

Twinning of Hwy 6 at 101 with a round-about on highway 6. Moar roundabouts!

[Biff]

^^^ for a minute I thought there was a new plan to put a roundabout on the Perimeter at Hwy 6.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Biff

^^^ for a minute I thought there was a new plan to put a roundabout on the Perimeter at Hwy 6.

Me too.
Still

[bomberjet]

Lol sorry no. Similar to the Oak Bluff Roundabout.

Roundabout on Hwy 6 at PR 236. 236 is reasonably busy with people going to/from Stonewall.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Lol sorry no. Similar to the Oak Bluff Roundabout.

Roundabout on Hwy 6 at PR 236. 236 is reasonably busy with people going to/from Stonewall.

Yea that intersection will be well served by a roundabout. Definitely on the same playing field as 2/3 in Oak Bluff traffic-wise and truck-wise.

[WildCake]

Another interesting tidbit for today:

https://www.brandonsun.com/local/cit...576238422.html

Developer is frustrated they can't build on their parcel of land, west of the husky at TCH and 18st N in Brandon.

Apparently Manitoba infrastructure wants to protect that parcel from development since they have had land set aside for 20+ years to reroute the TCH south of its current alignment, behind all the hotels and restaurants on that strip.

Looking at Manitoba Property Assessment, it would be pretty straightforward for them to reroute the highway, although it would still be tight for interchanges at 1st and 18th streets that I don't really see the benefit of this rerouting rather than upgrade the TCH where it sits.

[bomberjet]

From the older plans from ~20 years ago. Unless something has changed more recently. I don't think it's that they want to re-route the TCH highway. Rather they want to remove the access roads and provide a new road in behind. Like the one on the north side. Part of that may have been re-aligning the west leg of #10 to the west, connecting back in at Outback Dr. Seems like there's some type of corridor there.

There would a be parclo interchanges at Hwy 10/ 18th St and at Hwy 1A/10. There would be no access to the TCH beyond those two interchanges. They interchange were like half cloverleafs. Will see if I can find the drawings again. Or maybe someone else has them on file.

Edit: here.
https://www.brandonsun.com/local/hig...220014131.html



Here's a report that also shows the same layout. Pages 19 and 26.
https://brandon.ca/images/pdf/engine...rt%20FINAL.pdf

[drew]

Key to any improvement plan is a clear, direct path to that McDonalds on the north side of the TCH.

It's critical infrastructure for driving from Winnipeg to Alberta.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

From the older plans from ~20 years ago. Unless something has changed more recently. I don't think it's that they want to re-route the TCH highway. Rather they want to remove the access roads and provide a new road in behind. Like the one on the north side. Part of that may have been re-aligning the west leg of #10 to the west, connecting back in at Outback Dr. Seems like there's some type of corridor there.

There would a be parclo interchanges at Hwy 10/ 18th St and at Hwy 1A/10. There would be no access to the TCH beyond those two interchanges. They interchange were like half cloverleafs. Will see if I can find the drawings again. Or maybe someone else has them on file.

Edit: here.
https://www.brandonsun.com/local/hig...220014131.html



Here's a report that also shows the same layout. Pages 19 and 26.
https://brandon.ca/images/pdf/engine...rt%20FINAL.pdf

Thanks for sharing. that makes way more sense now. You can see that MTI has the land for the 18th street westward reroute starting at Outback Drive, and a lot of the interchange space for 1st street.

And yes, McDs and Tims should get their own interchange with all direction access. For road safety reasons, caffeine resupplies must be considered in all roadway redesigns.