Solving the Metro Vancouver Industrial Land Shortage?

[madog222]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

They have a timelapse of that multi-storey Riverbend warehouse project. They are just closing it in now.

https://app.oxblue.com/open/OxFord-P...-Business-Park

https://www.riverbendbusinesspark.com/the-multi-story

December 2022 completion

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

thanks for the post.

I wonder who takes that space ........ Amazon? I am surprised no one has snagged it yet. Maybe waiting to see it completed and now the 2nd floor truly works or does not?

It is indeed Amazon moving in.

Canada’s first multi-storey industrial development, in Burnaby’s Riverbend business park, will be occupied by an Amazon distribution warehouse, according to city officials.

In fact, according to director of planning and building Ed Kozak, the facility will be “the primary Amazon distribution facility in Western Canada.”

From Burnaby Beacon https://burnabybeacon.com/article/am...g-bend-oxford/

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by madog222

It is indeed Amazon moving in.

From Burnaby Beacon https://burnabybeacon.com/article/am...g-bend-oxford/

Article also says they are building a new Glenlyon business park facility.

Facilities Amazon was opening this year:

– Vancouver: A 450,000-square-foot advanced robotics fulfillment centre in the Port of Vancouver will launch in late 2021. This is Amazon’s first robotics fulfilment centre in the province and it will create 1,000 jobs.

– City of Langley: A new sort centre that will open later in 2021, creating more than 500 jobs.

– Langley Township: A delivery station that celebrated its day one launch in mid-February, creating 200 jobs.

– Pitt Meadows: A delivery station will open later in 2021, creating hundreds of jobs.

– Delta: A delivery station will open later in 2021, creating hundreds of career opportunities.

Port of Vancouver was in the Richmond Logistics Hub. Seems like it opened three months ago Amazon YXX2

Amazon's distribution centres in the Lower Mainland include a 650,000-square-foot site on Braid Street, in New Westminster; a 200,000-square-foot facility on Annacis Island, in Delta; and a 1.2-million-square-foot distribution hub that sits on a 450,000-square-foot site in Tsawwassen.

I assume they'll lose the Braid Street facility soon for redevelopment.

https://renx.ca/amazon-build-5-new-f...vancouver-b-c/

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Article also says they are building a new Glenlyon business park facility.

Facilities Amazon was opening this year:



Port of Vancouver was in the Richmond Logistics Hub. Seems like it opened three months ago Amazon YXX2



I assume they'll lose the Braid Street facility soon for redevelopment.

https://renx.ca/amazon-build-5-new-f...vancouver-b-c/

this is the Amazon facility already open in Glenlyon >> https://goo.gl/maps/WKrhqMW3hj1gXehj8

[officedweller]

Golden Ears Business Park

Onni twitter Dec 22:


Check out the progress at Golden Ears Business Park from our latest concrete pour. The concrete slab is now over 75% complete and panels under way. Large and small bay opportunities are now preleasing in Phase III contact the leasing team for more information.
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[hollywoodnorth]

New Multifloor Industrial project at 1313 East Pender Street

2,974 - 8,045 ft2
Industrial Lease

Description
Designed by TKA+D Architecture and developed by CJAD Properties, 1313 East Pender Street is a new, state-of-the-art, five-story hub for office, life science and creative industrial users. Located minutes from downtown Vancouver in the dynamic Clark Drive corridor, 1313 EP offers an energetic and healthy work environment for innovators that are looking to attract top talent while staying close to their roots in the City of Vancouver. 1313 EP is designed from the ground up with maximum compatibility in mind with high-efficiency glazing, heavy power, venting for fume hoods and direct truck loading from the lane. The office space offers full floor occupancy with 360-degree views and rooftop terraces.

Creative Industrial Space -18,600 sf on floors 1, 2, and 3

Unit 101: 1,908 SF main floor + 1,066 SF mezzanine
Unit 102: 1,923 SF main floor + 1,396 SF mezzanine
Unit 200: 5,877 SF
Unit 300: 8,045 SF

Exclusive Full-Floor Office Space - 8,402 sf on floors 4 and 5

Unit 400: 4,303 SF
Unit 500: 4,099 SF



https://powersearch.jll.com/ca-en/pr...-pender-street

[bellason]

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[MIPS]

The office space offers full floor occupancy with 360-degree views and rooftop terraces.

But this is industrial space, not swanky "industrial loft" apartments and Tech start-up offices. I don't get why this would matter.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by MIPS

But this is industrial space, not swanky "industrial loft" apartments and Tech start-up offices. I don't get why this would matter.

It's both. The lower three floors are industrial and the top two floors are office. I-2 zoning allows 2 FSR of industrial and 1 FSR of office. There are other examples of buildings in Clark Drive with this mix.

In Mount Pleasant it's the other way round; I-1 allows 2 FSR of office and 1 FSR of industrial.

Developers have to develop the industrial space to be able to build the offices, so there shouldn't be any under-built developments that are 100% office.

[hollywoodnorth]

Vancouver International Airport considering developing lands next to runway for revenue


The Northlands Greenfield Land — a strip of land just north of the north runway — is currently designated for airside developments, but the proposed changes would offer flexibility to enable ground commercial uses as an option. The type of developments eyed for this large site are trade-enabling warehouse and logistics uses, which are in short supply in the region.

Currently, the Northlands is largely unused, with only the Canada Post Pacific Processing Centre and a UPS facility as the tenants.

The much more significant proposed change deals with developing a strip of 257 acres — 161 acres of undeveloped land and 96 acres of leased land — immediately south of the south runway. This entire area is protected for the construction of a third parallel runway, but as a result of the pandemic, YVR anticipates the need for a third runway will be pushed well into the long-term future.



https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vanc...hanges-runways

[zahav]

I saw that article too and it made me so happy. So glad to see YVR really working on densifying and upping the use of it's Sea Island properties. There is so much potential there, it's always surprised me how under-utilized some areas around Sea Island are. There are even greenfield/brownfield sites near the existing Purolator and Fedex facilities, I was always so surprised that there wasn't more intensive development around there. Adding more warehousing/logistics/light industrial/business use is a great idea for Sea Island. As much as people complain about access, it is actually pretty good from the airport to connect to Hwy. 91, 99 for long distance hauling, and of course to lots of points within the lower mainland.

[officedweller]

Of interest.
Former Roche office building in Mississauga to be redeveloped with logistics warehouse

Suburban office teardowns make way for industrial warehouses
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...al-warehouses/

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

Vancouver International Airport considering developing lands next to runway for revenue


The Northlands Greenfield Land — a strip of land just north of the north runway — is currently designated for airside developments, but the proposed changes would offer flexibility to enable ground commercial uses as an option. The type of developments eyed for this large site are trade-enabling warehouse and logistics uses, which are in short supply in the region.

Currently, the Northlands is largely unused, with only the Canada Post Pacific Processing Centre and a UPS facility as the tenants.

The much more significant proposed change deals with developing a strip of 257 acres — 161 acres of undeveloped land and 96 acres of leased land — immediately south of the south runway. This entire area is protected for the construction of a third parallel runway, but as a result of the pandemic, YVR anticipates the need for a third runway will be pushed well into the long-term future.



https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vanc...hanges-runways

Originally Posted by zahav

I saw that article too and it made me so happy. So glad to see YVR really working on densifying and upping the use of it's Sea Island properties. There is so much potential there, it's always surprised me how under-utilized some areas around Sea Island are. There are even greenfield/brownfield sites near the existing Purolator and Fedex facilities, I was always so surprised that there wasn't more intensive development around there. Adding more warehousing/logistics/light industrial/business use is a great idea for Sea Island. As much as people complain about access, it is actually pretty good from the airport to connect to Hwy. 91, 99 for long distance hauling, and of course to lots of points within the lower mainland.

If they use up that land for general industrial use, they'll have to all be demolished if YVR needs a new runway, or they'll have to reclaim into the bank/Iona Island.
Opening Sea Island up like this is basically declaring that we have no need for new runways for the next 50-100 years. Building into the Banks is going to be a political and environmental nightmare.
At minimum, opening up the South Runway area seems folly.
It would make more sense to open up the ALR land north of YVR and reclaim the area between Iona and Sea Island- this would be way more land and is not designated for future expansions of any runways. Also, a FN tribe owns some land there.

Also, it's actually a difficult area to get to RN by road or rail. Ditto sea.

There's many connections, but even more congestion (and most go through Richmond Central, so I don't think they want the extra traffic). I might have a different opinion if there was a rail spur from the Marine Dr. Railway to Sea Island, or an extension of 91 directly to Sea Island.

[zahav]

YVR isn't stupid, they will make the right business case for what works for them. And a 3rd runway isn't imminent. Much larger airports have only 2 runways and function fine. Letting land go underutilized out of the future possibility of redevelopment is crazy. We need industrial and logistics development now, this region is so short of space. They are certainly making the right decision, and if a new runway is needed in the future, something can be decided then.

I don't agree at all about the access. They have the dedicated Canada Line. And the roads into Sea Island are fine (except when McArthurGlen opened). The connector route from Sea Island to the 99 is short and quick. Truck/commericla raffic to/from YVR does not go through Richmond Centre and cause congestion. The congestion is with the 99/91 on ramps, but that is the case no matter where you locate things.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by zahav

YVR isn't stupid, they will make the right business case for what works for them. And a 3rd runway isn't imminent. Much larger airports have only 2 runways and function fine. Letting land go underutilized out of the future possibility of redevelopment is crazy. We need industrial and logistics development now, this region is so short of space. They are certainly making the right decision, and if a new runway is needed in the future, something can be decided then.

I don't agree at all about the access. They have the dedicated Canada Line. And the roads into Sea Island are fine (except when McArthurGlen opened). The connector route from Sea Island to the 99 is short and quick. Truck/commericla raffic to/from YVR does not go through Richmond Centre and cause congestion. The congestion is with the 99/91 on ramps, but that is the case no matter where you locate things.

The South Runway is currently used land - for the South Terminal.

OK, so where does it go? YVR already indicates access is a major concern for YVR. https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vanc...ion-masterplan

Are we using the same roads? Sea Island Way is hell in summer pre-Covid.

A direct connection from 91 to Sea Island would have no on-ramps from Sea Island. The issue is the only way you could build it is a tunnel of some sort (possibly cut-and-cover).

[Changing City]

Here's another 2 FSR warehouse and 1 FSR office project in Vancouver. It's on Raymur Avenue, between Strathcona Park and Glen Drive, and will have 197,000 sq. ft. of space, with 62,400 of it as office. [image source Changing City blog]

[rofina]

Originally Posted by fredinno

If they use up that land for general industrial use, they'll have to all be demolished if YVR needs a new runway, or they'll have to reclaim into the bank/Iona Island.
Opening Sea Island up like this is basically declaring that we have no need for new runways for the next 50-100 years. Building into the Banks is going to be a political and environmental nightmare.
At minimum, opening up the South Runway area seems folly.
It would make more sense to open up the ALR land north of YVR and reclaim the area between Iona and Sea Island- this would be way more land and is not designated for future expansions of any runways. Also, a FN tribe owns some land there.

Also, it's actually a difficult area to get to RN by road or rail. Ditto sea.

There's many connections, but even more congestion (and most go through Richmond Central, so I don't think they want the extra traffic). I might have a different opinion if there was a rail spur from the Marine Dr. Railway to Sea Island, or an extension of 91 directly to Sea Island.

On that timeline the runways are underwater, so its a moot point really.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by rofina

On that timeline the runways are underwater, so its a moot point really.

If we assume that, so is the rest of Richmond, which is at the same elevation...

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by fredinno

If they use up that land for general industrial use, they'll have to all be demolished if YVR needs a new runway, or they'll have to reclaim into the bank/Iona Island.
Opening Sea Island up like this is basically declaring that we have no need for new runways for the next 50-100 years. Building into the Banks is going to be a political and environmental nightmare...

... It would make more sense to open up the ALR land north of YVR and reclaim the area between Iona and Sea Island- this would be way more land and is not designated for future expansions of any runways. Also, a FN tribe owns some land there...

If expanding into the banks hurts the environment, I suspect that filling in part of the river entirely is dead on arrival for the same reasons. Besides; the planned third runway is likely more useful for YVR because the can use all three at the same time; there's a good chance parallel runways would halt service on the inner one while planes taxi between the outer one and the airport.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If expanding into the banks hurts the environment, I suspect that filling in part of the river entirely is dead on arrival for the same reasons. Besides; the planned third runway is likely more useful for YVR because the can use all three at the same time; there's a good chance parallel runways would halt service on the inner one while planes taxi between the outer one and the airport.

Filling in the river is done quite a bit: Iona is only connected to YVR due to infill, Annacis and Mitchell Island was once largely river and was extensively infilled for industrial land, Richmond Island was infilled and connected to mainland Vancouver Dunsumir Island has basically vanished and been merged with Sea Island...

Also, birds don't use the Fraser River channels to rest on the Pacific flyway.

The planned 3rd runway is a parallel runway. What are you talking about? They also have a planned connector between all 3 runways for taxing as well, across Grant McConachie Way.

I was thinking something like this:


Red is industrial, Black is reclaimed land and new rail spur, white is extended 3rd runway after merger with Swishwash Island (likely requiring channelization of the river close to Richmond there.)

Also, less reclamation is needed overall. Also, the north reclamation area isn't free-flowing anyways and is primarily used to store logs.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Filling in the river is done quite a bit: Iona is only connected to YVR due to infill, Annacis and Mitchell Island was once largely river and was extensively infilled for industrial land, Richmond Island was infilled and connected to mainland Vancouver Dunsumir Island has basically vanished and been merged with Sea Island...

Also, birds don't use the Fraser River channels to rest on the Pacific flyway.

The planned 3rd runway is a parallel runway. What are you talking about? They also have a planned connector between all 3 runways for taxing as well, across Grant McConachie Way.

I was thinking something like this:


Red is industrial, Black is reclaimed land and new rail spur, white is extended 3rd runway after merger with Swishwash Island (likely requiring channelization of the river close to Richmond there.)

Also, less reclamation is needed overall. Also, the north reclamation area isn't free-flowing anyways and is primarily used to store logs.

No, filling the river is was done to some extent in the past.

This is was is to happen on Iona in the near future.

From Metro Vancouver http://www.metrovancouver.org/servic...anJuly2021.pdf