Canadian City Proposals

[suburbanite]

Lack of a market for that product is an understatement. Selling full floors in Toronto is a difficult task. Your presale period is so long that it's hard to keep your initial bites on the line for two years or more.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by suburbanite

Lack of a market for that product is an understatement. Selling full floors in Toronto is a difficult task. Your presale period is so long that it's hard to keep your initial bites on the line for two years or more.

it will be bought by a lot of investors. Even if they don't intend on living in the unit investors will buy them as a way make a lot of money over a few years. The longer the private owners take to sell their full floor units the more money they end up making.

Unless of course we have that bubble bursting they've been talking about in that other thread for almost a decade now.

[JHikka]

789-795 Brant St (Burlington, Camarro Group, 30s, RAW)


via Wisla at UT
https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/789-795-brant-st-burlington-camarro-group-30s-raw.33291/

https://www.burlington.ca/en/services-for-you/camarro-developments-inc-789-795-brant-street.asp

Development is roughly a 10-15 mins walk to Burlington GO, south of the 403.

[WhipperSnapper]

Has potential. I don't get the appeal of a 307 unit building in Burlington; much of that to do with how multi family living has become homogeneous all across the GTA. Opportunity lost creating livable alternatives to the tall, large floorplate towers dominating Toronto and now Hamilton's market. A GO station 10 to 15 minutes away infers there's no reason to stay in Burlington during awake hours. Personally, I'd rather be 30 minutes away from the intercity commuter rail station in the improving downtown area.

[J.OT13]

A few Ottawa proposals just off urban mains streets.

398-406 Roosevelt Ave:

Previous proposal:

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Here are some higher quality renderings. It's looking less ugly to me now.







from the Urban Design Review Panel report

New proposal:

Originally Posted by UrbOttawa

Updated stone and bronze design by RLA. IMO this is miles ahead of the previous faux historic brick + beige precast proposal. Please more above average RLA projects!







https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applications/D07-12-17-0171/details

979 Wellington St:

Originally Posted by UrbOttawa

https://mldevco.ca/current-developments/wellington/

[esquire]

That RLA project is very elegant. Pretty unique-looking.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by esquire

That RLA project is very elegant. Pretty unique-looking.

For sure. Looks really good. Great fit and scale for the area.

RLA (Roderick Lahey Architects) designs what feels like a third of condo/rental buildings in Ottawa, including the one on Wellington as well. Often times, he designs what seem like copy-paste projects all over the city, but once in a while comes up with some great designs like the one on Roosevelt. I guess he has a good business strategy, catering to both developers who want something on the cheap and others who want higher quality projects.

[WhipperSnapper]

Quite nice (the revision, of course). The randomness for the sake of randomness doesn't add or subtract anything. Only thing is living up to the high standards of the rendering.

[biguc]

It's too bad the redesign seems to have dropped the ground floor CRUs, but it's not the worst thing for a side street. The scale is perfect though.

[davidivivid]

Two simple, clean condo proposals. First one to be built here in St-Roch:

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/IRDPQ/@...7b9f8672a!8m2!3d46.8208855!4d-71.2450007



https://www.facebook.com/AtelierGuyArchitectes/photos/?ref=page_internal


Second one will integrate the old dormitory of the Soeurs de la Sainte-Famille de Bordeaux with a brand new construction in Montcalm.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/IRDPQ/@...7b9f8672a!8m2!3d46.8208855!4d-71.2450007








Existing building:



https://www.facebook.com/AtelierGuyArchitectes/photos/?ref=page_internal

[dleung]

Wow, what a difference! It doesn't even look like a remotely similar target demographic. The new one looks smaller and less bulky despite being the same size; a well-placed setback is key.

In Vancouver, that would surely have been townhouses at the base... sometimes they do it even on arterials!

[zoomer]

Love those two Quebec proposals - high quality materials, thoughtful design that will stand the test of time - it really can be that easy.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by dleung

Wow, what a difference! It doesn't even look like a remotely similar target demographic. The new one looks smaller and less bulky despite being the same size; a well-placed setback is key.

In Vancouver, that would surely have been townhouses at the base... sometimes they do it even on arterials!

Townhouses at the base would have been good for this project. I king of like that mid-century inspired feature walls though, so I'm happy anyway.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Has potential. I don't get the appeal of a 307 unit building in Burlington; much of that to do with how multi family living has become homogeneous all across the GTA. Opportunity lost creating livable alternatives to the tall, large floorplate towers dominating Toronto and now Hamilton's market. A GO station 10 to 15 minutes away infers there's no reason to stay in Burlington during awake hours. Personally, I'd rather be 30 minutes away from the intercity commuter rail station in the improving downtown area.

Burlington is built out. Barring a massive remaking of retail properties (which will be needed, IMO) there is not much opportunity for "livable alternatives"

It's a nice place to live, but aside from a couple of large annual events and some great restaurants, the awake hours aren't too exciting. I lived there for 14 years... for a commuter to downtown Toronto, it was a long haul but worth living in the setting (and my family and friends are all in Hamilton so there was that too). Still did more of my social activity in Toronto or Hamilton, and Mississauga as well.

[WhipperSnapper]

Whether Burlington has run out of farmland to develop, under the Ford government no less, is not a means to say the only way to add more people is through large tower complexes in crappy locations next to GO stations. There is plenty of redevelopment potential. We may be accustomed to large floorplates, townhome blocks and, single family but, that doesn't mean there aren't many, better human scaled forms to densify the region.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Whether Burlington has run out of farmland to develop, under the Ford government no less, is not a means to say the only way to add more people is through large tower complexes in crappy locations next to GO stations. There is plenty of redevelopment potential. We may be accustomed to large floorplates, townhome blocks and, single family but, that doesn't mean there aren't many, better human scaled forms to densify the region.

The fight over development of lands north of the 407 would be a fierce one. Ford might take up that challenge, but those "folks" are also battle tested (e.g., there has been opposition to new quarries in north Burlington for a long time... this provincial government has yet to step into that melee)

Part of the problem is much of Burlington was very designed for cars. There's lots of redevelopment potential along the major arteries, not just for condo towers but other kinds of housing, but there are a lot of residents who like things just the way they are. It's going to take huge balls or a major change of local opinion to grow a new mindset.

Property taxes, IMO, will seal that deal. If the city cannot grow, its tax base will stagnate. Infrastructure built in the 1970s and 80s will start being due for major work. Camel back meet straw.

[advance62]

Nice little tower for downtown Kitchener. 22 Weber Street W, 15 floors.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

The fight over development of lands north of the 407 would be a fierce one. Ford might take up that challenge, but those "folks" are also battle tested (e.g., there has been opposition to new quarries in north Burlington for a long time... this provincial government has yet to step into that melee)

Part of the problem is much of Burlington was very designed for cars. There's lots of redevelopment potential along the major arteries, not just for condo towers but other kinds of housing, but there are a lot of residents who like things just the way they are. It's going to take huge balls or a major change of local opinion to grow a new mindset.

Property taxes, IMO, will seal that deal. If the city cannot grow, its tax base will stagnate. Infrastructure built in the 1970s and 80s will start being due for major work. Camel back meet straw.

All you can do is not vote for Ford. There's not much of a battle otherwise. Keep in mind the alternative right now is another Wynne prodigy. 10 supertalls built at Appleby GO and subdivisions extending into the Green Belt may still be the lesser of two evils.

It costs a lot of upfront money to provide greater and greater services and amenities for a growing population. You don't see the dividends for decades. A stable tax rate is not difficult to save for future expenditures on end of life services.

[UrbOttawa]

20 Storey proposal in Vanier - Ottawa.

Lots of activity with 6 other towers of 20+ proposed, approved or U/C in the near vicinity. Montreal Rd has tonnes of potential to be a great urban main street, so it will be interesting to see how the neighbourhood evolves with all this added density.

Originally Posted by UrbOttawa

Revised 20 storey proposal from SerCo Realty Group:

Architect - Project 1 Studio





https://www.instagram.com/sercorealtygroup/

[esquire]

I like it. The podium is slim but still looks substantial.