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[The ATX]

Originally Posted by H2O

Plan Review is for the building permit. The Site Development Permit (site plan) only allows for construction of site elements like site prep and utilities. The SDP contains information about the building because you have to show compliance with zoning requirements such as height, F.A.R, parking, etc. to obtain the SDP. The SDP has to be approved before the building permit (plan review) can be issued, but they can be approved concurrently.

That leads me to this question. The Travis site plan is good until sometime in 2023. But the Plan Review expires this month. (All the finish out permits expire in January.) If the Travis is going to be built as approved, will a new Plan Review (or extension) need to be filed?

[H2O]

Originally Posted by The ATX

That leads me to this question. The Travis site plan is good until sometime in 2023. But the Plan Review expires this month. (All the finish out permits expire in January.) If the Travis is going to be built as approved, will a new Plan Review (or extension) need to be filed?

It would probably make sense to move or cross post this to the actual project thread, but this is what I gather from AB+C:

As far as I know, Building Permits do not expire once they are issued. It is the application that is expiring after one year. This case seems unusual because it is an expedited e-file. Those usually get processed and approved very quickly. The actual review can be mere days, even for large complex projects. There are a lot of reviews in this case because there is a shell permit and individual finish out permits for each floor (pretty standard for tall buildings). There must have been a change in the project or something after the Plan Review was submitted for it to be taking this long. An SDP application can be extended once for one year, and that is not uncommon because they often take 18 months or so to process. Occasionally, on really complex projects, they can take more than 24 months, in which case the application has to be withdrawn and resubmitted. That really just means the fees have to be paid again. The actual review takes up where it left off previously. I suspect the same is true for building permits, but I would have to actually research the rules because I can't say I have ever seen a Plan Review application expire. They usually get approved well within one year.

[The ATX]

This project was registered with TDRL in November. It has a 01/01/22 start date. This s the project description:

Scope of Work:
New construction for a 57 story mixed use residential tower located in Downtown Austin, TX. Residential = 409,015 SF; Office = 148,231 SF; Retail = 5,548 SF; Parking Garage = 248,345 SF. There will be a retail bank component that will be submitted un

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/Project/TABS2022004342

[GoldenBoot]

Has anyone confirmed the height of this tower?

[We vs us]

I drove past yesterday on my way home from work, and Maiko Sushi still has lots of seating and appliances set up inside. Doesn't particularly look primed for demo yet.

That 1/1 start date seems pretty farfetched at the moment.

[The ATX]

My money has been on this as the first big project to break ground in 2022. But nothing yet as seen from the Sixth & Guadalupe webcam:

[The ATX]

This is scheduled to start Demo/construction next week 01/21 through February 2025 according to this right of way closure permit filed yesterday.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-searc...=12860315&t_selected_propertyrsn=2018681

[StoOgE]

Holy fuck, our city isn't going to be recognizable in 3 years.

[gillynova]

Originally Posted by StoOgE

Holy fuck, our city isn't going to be recognizable in 3 years.

This will be a fun ride

[paul78701]

Originally Posted by StoOgE

Holy fuck, our city isn't going to be recognizable in 3 years.

Considering the current pipeline, unless something dramatic happens to slow things down, the Austin skyline should be approaching the size of Seattle's and San Francisco's in about 5-6ish years. Considering that there are likely more projects in the works that haven't been announced yet, it may even end up being even bigger.

[gillynova]

Originally Posted by paul78701

Considering the current pipeline, unless something dramatic happens to slow things down, the Austin skyline should be approaching the size of Seattle's and San Francisco's in about 5-6ish years. Considering that there are likely more projects in the works that haven't been announced yet, it may even end up being even bigger.

Still needs more work to approach the size of those cities. Maybe in 10 years if the development at the Austin American Statesman begins, and the completion of Republic Tower, 98 Red River + many other Rainey projects. I just drove up to SF yesterday and the skyline is just so massive and dense, filled with plenty of 400-600 footers with no space in between. There might even be another 1000 footer sometime soon (not including Oceanwide Center that's currently paused)



/sorry for derailing the thread

[Dale]

Yep, SF has has a decades head start on Austin. Seattle slightly less so.

[StoOgE]

Seattle, Atlanta and Dallas I think are the skylines we will be most directly comparable to if everything gets off the ground which is a big if. I sort of consider those the "tier 3" skylines.

Tier 2 is San Fran, Houston, L.A., Philly and Miami

Then there is Chicago and NYC (the latter is probably its own category to itself globally)

[paul78701]

Originally Posted by gillynova

Still needs more work to approach the size of those cities. Maybe in 10 years if the development at the Austin American Statesman begins, and the completion of Republic Tower, 98 Red River + many other Rainey projects. I just drove up to SF yesterday and the skyline is just so massive and dense, filled with plenty of 400-600 footers with no space in between. There might even be another 1000 footer sometime soon (not including Oceanwide Center that's currently paused)

/sorry for derailing the thread

Counting what's under construction and announced (from West Campus through downtown), there are nearly 40 new buildings over 300 ft coming to Austin over the next 5-6 years. I know some of those might not get built, but the new project announcements never seem to stop. I think people are underestimating the amount of density that will create and what that will look like between now and in 5-6 years, and at the end of the decade.

[myBrain]

What will be interesting about Austin's skyline relative to the rest of the country is how modern it will be. Most US skylines are characterized by the skyscraper building boom of the late 60s-early 90s, which gave us a lot of blocky office towers clad in muted colors or earth tones and dark glass.

Austin meanwhile is going to be characterized almost entirely by 21st century structures: glassier, more playful, less corporate. Not only have architectural trends changed, but so have urban tastes: more residential / mixed use towers, a greater focus on incorporating outdoor amenities into the design. In particular the mixed-use stacking you see in this structure, 6xG, and 99 RR is creating an interesting tiered form that will shape the skyline. When all of this construction is through, we may not have the biggest skyline, but we will definitely be one of the most unique in the country.

[gillynova]

I think the best view of Austin to compete with "Tier 2" skylines would definitely be from West -> East or vice versa. South -> North makes a good case but not so much. I wish the Bay Area gets as many project proposals as Austin haha

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Totally agree with you, myBrain. Austin is definitely going to have the best, modern US skyline in the 2020s and moving forward. Just praying everything breaks ground haha

[JoninATX]

Austin is certainly punching above it's weight. Looking at larger cities such as Denver and Minneapolis, Austin isn't too far behind in amount of skyscrapers.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by JoninATX

Austin is certainly punching above it's weight. Looking at larger cities such as Denver and Minneapolis, Austin isn't too far behind in amount of skyscrapers.

Denver is similar in population size to Austin, IMO, whether you’re talking city, metro, or broader region. And they have similarly sized skylines.

[Lobotomizer]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

Denver is similar in population size to Austin, IMO, whether you’re talking city, metro, or broader region. And they have similarly sized skylines.

In the 2020 census Denver was just shy of 3 million people in it's MSA, and part of a larger CSA of 3.6 million.

In 2020 Austin was just shy of 2.3 million in its MSA, and is not part of a CSA.

With the way Austin is growing by 2030 our MSA will be pretty close to where theirs was in 2020 so it's not drastically larger, but it's not inconsequential.

On another note, I'm still wondering when/if the Austin CSA will be resurrected. We are one of the few large cities in the nation not part of a CSA, though ours will most likely only add a small county or two like Burnet or Blanco which won't add much to the overall population.

[Andrew_2001]

Hello everyone! Indeed, there has been a skyscraper boom in Austin in the last 10 years and I think in 4-6 years your skyline will be similar to San Francisco