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Old Posted Jan 3, 2022, 3:38 PM
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I'm assuming the new development will connect indoors to Jackson Square. This would make it convenient AF for residents to shop there especially during the rainy and cold weather days. In fact, it should be connected to the Farmers market as well. Gotta give them incentives to spend their money there.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2022, 3:42 PM
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This has IIRC about 1,800 units in it which would mean about 3,000 residents.

I'm hopeful that Jackson Square will start to improve as more residents live in the core among all the active development applications. While 3,000 residents alone won't fully rejuvenate the mall, the thousands upon thousands of residents moving into the core in the other planned buildings will.
I'm so excited to see what the core will look like in say 2023-2025.
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Yale/Real Group making a major investment in JS would be about as momentous as when the mall was originally built.

That said, I bet they sell the mall when the price ripens rather than spend money on it.
From my understanding they don't own Jackson Square technically? I'm not sure how all the legal works, but they own the building while the city owns the property or something and leases out the land? Something similar to the 407 where it has a 99 year lease.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2022, 5:54 PM
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From my understanding they don't own Jackson Square technically? I'm not sure how all the legal works, but they own the building while the city owns the property or something and leases out the land? Something similar to the 407 where it has a 99 year lease.
I think that's correct -- they own the mall building and office towers, but the land is leased to them.

From the corporate website:
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Jackson Square is owned by First Real Properties Limited, Second Real Properties Limited, and Fourth Real Properties Limited. The companies were formed in the 1970s and the 1980s to develop and acquire real estate in Canada.

https://www.realpropertieslimited.co...e-description/

Apparently the city was thinking of selling the land in 2014. I don't know what became of that. Yale was making the case that they at the least needed a long lease extension (50 years was discussed) to justify major renovations.
https://www.chch.com/hamilton-lookin...ackson-square/
https://www.thespec.com/business/201...uare-land.html

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Old Posted Jan 3, 2022, 11:17 PM
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Unless you're POTUS.
Or Ottawa condo developers.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2022, 11:50 PM
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I think that's correct -- they own the mall building and office towers, but the land is leased to them.

From the corporate website:
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Jackson Square is owned by First Real Properties Limited, Second Real Properties Limited, and Fourth Real Properties Limited. The companies were formed in the 1970s and the 1980s to develop and acquire real estate in Canada.

https://www.realpropertieslimited.co...e-description/

Apparently the city was thinking of selling the land in 2014. I don't know what became of that. Yale was making the case that they at the least needed a long lease extension (50 years was discussed) to justify major renovations.
https://www.chch.com/hamilton-lookin...ackson-square/
https://www.thespec.com/business/201...uare-land.html
Real Properties needs to get over themselves. They have a gold mine sitting there and they have chosen to squander it for whatever reason. This is what happens when you have a company that doesn't believe in the city they've invested in at all. If they filled the office towers with cheaper leases they would have a full and incredibly profitable property in the centre of one of Canadas largest cities. Instead they allowed the entire place to deteriorate.

I also think it's in City Centre redevelopment and Real Properties best interests to connect the two properties. Jackson Square would have access to thousands of new people, and the City Centre redevelopment would have a great selling feature to prospective buyers. I'm excited to see the site plan docs.

With this, LRT, First Ontario Centre all being completed around the same time, Hamilton really is going to be at renaissance level change within 5 years.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2022, 1:33 PM
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Real Properties needs to get over themselves. They have a gold mine sitting there and they have chosen to squander it for whatever reason. This is what happens when you have a company that doesn't believe in the city they've invested in at all. If they filled the office towers with cheaper leases they would have a full and incredibly profitable property in the centre of one of Canadas largest cities. Instead they allowed the entire place to deteriorate.

I don't disagree with you.

Every city has its share of owners that are mainly just sitting on their properties, without doing much to improve them or maximize their use. Probably waiting for the tide that will "float their boats" and using what they own to help finance other purchases.

The Real Group companies are owned by Yale and Manulife. Yale's history of minor changes to Jackson Square over the last few decades is one thing, but Manulife is probably risk averse and invested with a hope of a big payoff down the road when part/all of it is sold. Why spend a bundle doing what was noted in those 2014 news stories (fixing the "numerous problems with the building that require a complete overhaul" and using that as an opportunity to "redesign parts of the mall") when you can probably keep the issues in check long enough for someone else to make the investment? If they did get the longer lease on land, that just makes the whole thing more valuable.

We'll probably see parts of the mall demolished or substantially replaced, either by the current owners or whomever they eventually sell to. Another reason not to do much overhauling of the existing stuff in the shorter term.
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2022, 9:08 PM
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For all the surveys they do at the JS LCBO (for seeing where people come from for future planning), the LCBO is blowing it not just buying up more space and making a huge store with an actual vintages section, etc. With all the residents coming into this area and at City Centre, that's a garbage LCBO. Which might tell us something, perhaps they know the longer term plans for the space?

If JS stays as is, somebody like Oxford should buy this up and just focus on top notch tenants, like the Apple store. The mall is a joke and other than Nations, Dollarama and LCBO, what draws people? Rexall? Coles? A tiny movie theatre? You know it's bad when McDonalds and now looks like KFC/Taco Bell leave haha.

As others have stated with the changes plus the arena, this seems like a really great opportunity to spruce up JS. Instead it will continue to be the sketchy second level hang out and pandler alley. Yesterday I saw six individuals doing some trading of stolen goods, drugs, etc. at a garbage can in the middle of the mall across from the closed Honest Lawyer. No one cared.
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2022, 9:33 PM
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As others have stated with the changes plus the arena, this seems like a really great opportunity to spruce up JS. Instead it will continue to be the sketchy second level hang out and pandler alley. Yesterday I saw six individuals doing some trading of stolen goods, drugs, etc. at a garbage can in the middle of the mall across from the closed Honest Lawyer. No one cared.
With the influx of residents to this area in the next couple years I think you'll see less and less of this sort of thing downtown. When you own a condo, you don't really appreciate seeing people selling drugs at your doorstep. They'll report it, and eventually the HPS will have to do something about it.
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Rexall, Coles and the movie theatre are actually big reasons we go to Jackson Square outside of Nations and LCBO. Used the Fido store a couple times as well, and been to Levity as well. This mall definitely doesn't need two Timmies though. Having the Source is handy as well. It's kind of one of those mall of essentials like Eastgate. Nothing flashy or nice clothes, but useful stuff one needs. I'd love to see some upscale stores though like Aritzia, RW&CO or Banana Republic.

My partner suggested them doing an reconstruction to include the upper level as an outdoor food court area as a patio and outside retail space to attract a market style knick knack festival kind of thing, and maybe run a night market up there too. It's a really usable space, though the entry to it is mediocre and small. I'm curious what the emergency max is up there for people.
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Rexall, Coles and the movie theatre are actually big reasons we go to Jackson Square outside of Nations and LCBO. Used the Fido store a couple times as well, and been to Levity as well. This mall definitely doesn't need two Timmies though. Having the Source is handy as well. It's kind of one of those mall of essentials like Eastgate. Nothing flashy or nice clothes, but useful stuff one needs. I'd love to see some upscale stores though like Aritzia, RW&CO or Banana Republic.

My partner suggested them doing an reconstruction to include the upper level as an outdoor food court area as a patio and outside retail space to attract a market style knick knack festival kind of thing, and maybe run a night market up there too. It's a really usable space, though the entry to it is mediocre and small. I'm curious what the emergency max is up there for people.
Once upon a time there outdoor area on top of JS was in fact a patio. You could access it from the food court which was upstairs and that little bit of grass had free live concerts every weekend through the summer.
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If JS stays as is, somebody like Oxford should buy this up and just focus on top notch tenants, like the Apple store. The mall is a joke and other than Nations, Dollarama and LCBO, what draws people? Rexall? Coles? A tiny movie theatre? You know it's bad when McDonalds and now looks like KFC/Taco Bell leave haha.
When the market ripens more, "top notch" tenants will be interested in locating there.

I actually love Landmark's cinemas at Jackson. I don't think they're tiny at all. It's not a zoo in there (or the parking lot) like the Cineplex theatres with 15-20 screens, and the seating is very comfortable -- more like sitting in one of Cineplex's VIP theatres without having to remortgage the house to buy tickets. Outside of watching at home, we rarely go anywhere else to see a film.
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When the market ripens more, "top notch" tenants will be interested in locating there.

I actually love Landmark's cinemas at Jackson. I don't think they're tiny at all. It's not a zoo in there (or the parking lot) like the Cineplex theatres with 15-20 screens, and the seating is very comfortable -- more like sitting in one of Cineplex's VIP theatres without having to remortgage the house to buy tickets. Outside of watching at home, we rarely go anywhere else to see a film.
Landmark cinemas here and Playhouse are our two favourite theatres for sure.
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Yeah Landmark is one of the main reasons we go to Jackson Square, they are by far my favourite cinemas. They are so comfortable with the fully reclining seats the popcorn is way better than Cineplex too and the prices are much better at Landmark!

I can see JS being a downtown destination in about 5+ years! It will most certainly get a new lease on life and be bustling again!

Also anyone in need of decent KN95 masks go to Mumuso in Jackson Square it's a cool little Korean store and they sell them in packs of 10 for $5.99 you can get a few days out of each mask.
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I just grabbed a pack of the KN95 masks there because of a post on reddit. They're great. Cool little store. Kind of like MiniSo
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You know after re-reading my post and your replies, I feel I was a bit harsh on JS. There's a bit of some 80s, early 90s comfort kitsch when wondering the halls and it's usually pretty quiet nowadays. The mall definitely needs some updating as corridors are vacant or need some paint, a re-design. Either way, it's got good bones for future updating based on its location.

In fact I'm a big fan of the Korean store, Mumuso. They have all kinds of cool stuff and always stop there hah.

Thank you for the tip on the KN95. Are they certified/approved masks? Wish there was a way for sustainable N95 masks, but I guess multi-layers re-usable cloth masks are useless against this variant and this morning I read there's a deltacron, yikes.
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Deltacron has been debunked - it was a result of laboratory contamination.
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Deltacron has been debunked - it was a result of laboratory contamination.
The media did their best to get that one trending though lol. The media's behavior during this whole pandemic has been abhorrent. Just fear fear fear. Yellow news is back.
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fear = ratings - it's why I don't watch the news anymore.

Playhouse cinema was beautifully restored inside and out - we try to support them in the summer, well at least pre-covid we did..

I remember in the summer once I was exhausted and wanted a place to lie down, so I went to the theatre in jackson reclined while watching - I think it was detective pikachu and just kinda dozed on the recliner, it was nice haha..
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Seems to be more refinements on plans according to TPR

https://www.thepublicrecord.ca/2022/...t-application/
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