PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[summersm343]

Permits Issued For 50-Unit Building At 5521 Wayne Avenue In Germantown

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https://phillyyimby.com/2022/01/permits-issued-for-5521-way.html

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Agreed. The 'hippest' restaurants are rarely in the most established neighborhoods.

This is an incredibly racially coded assessment of the W's "offerings". So what you are saying is the crowd is (mostly) black. Though it might not be "your" crowd; it doesn't mean there's anything questionable about it.

I stayed at the W to take advantage of the pool in the late fall before it got super cold and my take on "the crowd" was that it was really refreshing to see an upscale spot that was welcoming and friendly to the black professional class in Philadelphia.

Many of us have lamented that Philadelphia is losing middle class black people in droves to not just the suburbs, but to regions that have carved out spaces (culturally, professionally, etc) for upwardly mobile black people, like DC, Atlanta, Dallas, etc. That is not just about schools, or taxes, or red tape in government when starting a business, but also about social spaces and community and the ability to network.

The few nights I've hung out at the W my assessment was the exact opposite of yours. I was happy that such a social space even exists in the city. I hope more follow. It felt more like a night out in Atlanta or Dallas than it did in Philadelphia.

No, it wasn't meant to racially coded. I have no issues with a diverse crowd, that would be a problem if I did, lol, considering I'm a gay man in Manhattan and travel to basically every major US city for work.
I don't know if your quotes mean anything... But by "offerings" I meant the pool, bars, lounge, etc.

I stayed at the W twice since it opened and visited the bars 2 more times. The hotel and venues are stunning. My issue was that the bar crowd on my latter 2 visits was very loud, rowdy, many underdressed, and several parties left their respective area a disaster: trash, cups, spills, etc. I was turned off by it. But will I return to the W? Of course!, it was just my observations from stopping in later at night than previous visits. Maybe it was circumstantial or bad timing those nights?

[summersm343]

Permits Issued For 30-Unit Building At 5959-63 Ridge Avenue In Roxborough

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https://phillyyimby.com/2022/01/permits-...n-roxborough-northwest-philadelphia.html

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

The 6th and Moore apartment development looks great. Excited to see those go up.

Those townhomes would look amazing if they just had a cornice... how hard would it have been, even just a simple one?

Agree the project looks great, and I wonder the reason for that too.
Canno did the design work, so it can't be an oversight. Either the developer was cost cutting (can't imagine it was much cost) or thought no cornice provided a more streamlined look?

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

No, it wasn't meant to racially coded. I have no issues with a diverse crowd, that would be a problem if I did, lol, considering I'm a gay man in Manhattan and travel to basically every major US city for work.
I don't know if your quotes mean anything... But by "offerings" I meant the pool, bars, lounge, etc.

I stayed at the W twice since it opened and visited the bars 2 more times. The hotel and venues are stunning. My issue was that the bar crowd on my latter 2 visits was very loud, rowdy, many underdressed, and several parties left their respective area a disaster: trash, cups, spills, etc. I was turned off by it. But will I return to the W? Of course!, it was just my observations from stopping in later at night than previous visits. Maybe it was circumstantial or bad timing those nights?

Yeah, people need to chill out with deductive reasoning these days. Making a snap judgment or assumption about what someone said is just plain presumptuous. I think any good therapist would encourage discourse and asking more questions rather than just accusing someone of bigotry or racism based off one ambiguous statement. Not to mention it’s incredibly hurtful and offensive. I’m a gay man myself and have seen a lot of this way of thinking in our community - more with how we deal with one another. It’s exhausting and I could go on and on, but I digress...

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with expecting higher standards of how people behave. We should all do better and expect others to do the same. We live in a society.

[Busy Bee]

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[chimpskibot]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Apartment Building Under Construction at 6th & Moore, Behind a Row of Homes
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https://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/e...ction-at-6th-moore-behind-a-row-of-homes

Finally, This neighborhood needs ground floor retail so bad. Thats really my only gripe with S.Philly. I also think more grocery stores need to open in this area. It always amazes me how bad the grocery options in this city are!

[PHL10]

Originally Posted by chimpskibot

Finally, This neighborhood needs ground floor retail so bad. Thats really my only gripe with S.Philly. I also think more grocery stores need to open in this area. It always amazes me how bad the grocery options in this city are!

Maybe in certain sections but at 6th and Moore, you have two ACME's within a 15 minute walk not to mention a bunch of small grocers within a couple blocks. I've been in J&J a few times at 7th and Mifflin which is very respectable for a small grocer.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

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[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

Yeah, people need to chill out with deductive reasoning these days. Making a snap judgment or assumption about what someone said is just plain presumptuous. I think any good therapist would encourage discourse and asking more questions rather than just accusing someone of bigotry or racism based off one ambiguous statement. Not to mention it’s incredibly hurtful and offensive. I’m a gay man myself and have seen a lot of this way of thinking in our community - more with how we deal with one another. It’s exhausting and I could go on and on, but I digress...

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with expecting higher standards of how people behave. We should all do better and expect others to do the same. We live in a society.

Thanks. And OT, but yea to the bold. Which is why I have my small group of friends and avoid most of the gay community for that reason, lol. I focus on travel, boyfriend, friends, work, my love for big cities, and good food

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by summersm343

without KOP at this point, most of these stores would have no presence in the Philadelphia Region at all.

I think that is very much up for debate. If these brands believe the region can support one location, but not two, it follows that if not for KoP these stores would in fact likely be on Walnut (or somewhere in Rittenhouse). I personally believe KoP is a huge drain on the city.

[summersm343]

Edgewater II Under Construction at Last, Quite a Change From the Original Plan

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https://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/l...st-quite-a-change-from-the-original-plan

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

many underdressed

/clutches pearls

[summersm343]

8-Story, 49-Unit Building to Replace St. Laurentius Church in Fishtown

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What a long, strange trip it’s been. Nearly 8 years after closing it’s doors, St. Laurentius Church still sits vacant and blighted at the corner of Memphis Street and Berks Street in Fishtown.

In early 2016, a local developer presented a plan to save the historic building. That plan called for 23 apartments within the existing church structure. As the property was then zoned for attached single family homes (RSA-5), the developer needed a variance for the multi-family project. The Zoning Board of Adjustment granted a variance for the 23-unit project in November of 2016.

After the zoning variance was granted, a group that opposed the adaptive reuse project appealed the zoning variance and held the project up in court for years. Over those years, the building continued to decay and thousands of pounds of stones crashed down from the facade onto the street and sidewalk on multiple occasions. The situation was especially concerning due to the fact that St. Laurentius grade school is located next door to the church and the children take recess on the street right next to the crumbling building.

Since most of the building was approved for demolition, the owner of the property became free to build a large multi-family structure by-right on the 8,597 square foot RM-4 zoned parcel. It looks like it will be much bigger than the original 23-unit plan.

A zoning permit was issued today for an 8-story, 45,052 square foot building with 49 residential units, 17 bicycle stalls, and 15 automated car parking spaces on the site of St. Laurentius.

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http://www.rising.realestate/8-story-49-unit-building-to-replace-st-laurentius-church-in-fishtown/

[iamrobk]

Originally Posted by Justin7

I think that is very much up for debate. If these brands believe the region can support one location, but not two, it follows that if not for KoP these stores would in fact likely be on Walnut (or somewhere in Rittenhouse). I personally believe KoP is a huge drain on the city.

Probably Suburban Square to be honest. And if some of these luxury brands thought the Philly region could support two stores instead of just one, it wouldn't surprise me if they opened a second store in Cherry Hill before Center City.

[mcgrath618]

I agree that KOP is a bane on the city. It is so blatantly anti-urbanist and car centric it hurts. The town centre is… okay? I guess? I worked across the street going into college and I didn’t find myself blown away by anything. It’s a slightly better designed interstate-side shopping plaza. How any of you are fooled by the rest of the development is beyond me.

The KOP rail project is an atrocity. It should be stopped now before advancing any further. It is significantly over budget, and has no concrete plan for how it will be integrated into the greater transit system. Philadelphia deserves better. It deserves a subway expansion.

The mall doesn’t serve the same purpose as other big malls like the American Dream or Mall of America… the clock is ticking. I guarantee that the KOP mall will not exist by, at the very latest, 2040.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

I agree that KOP is a bane on the city. It is so blatantly anti-urbanist and car centric it hurts. The town centre is… okay? I guess? I worked across the street going into college and I didn’t find myself blown away by anything. It’s a slightly better designed interstate-side shopping plaza. How any of you are fooled by the rest of the development is beyond me.

The KOP rail project is an atrocity. It should be stopped now before advancing any further. It is significantly over budget, and has no concrete plan for how it will be integrated into the greater transit system. Philadelphia deserves better. It deserves a subway expansion.

The mall doesn’t serve the same purpose as other big malls like the American Dream or Mall of America… the clock is ticking. I guarantee that the KOP mall will not exist by, at the very latest, 2040.

I'm sorry.... what? King of Prussia mall won't exist 19 years from now? Lol.

How does KOP Mall not serve the same purpose as other big malls? What exactly do you mean by that? King of Prussia Mall is literally one of the largest, most visited and most successful malls in the entire country. I'm not sure how you think that's going to evaporate in 19 years. Everything I'm seeing is that KOP Mall is only solidifying it's dominance.... not dying.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/03/the-10-m...ica-before-the-coronavirus-pandemic.html
https://www.travelchannel.com/interests/shopping/articles/top-10-us-shopping-malls
https://www.statista.com/statistics/741804/leading-us-malls-by-sales-per-square-foot/

I get that you guys are urbanists and want what's best for the city... I do too... however, this dream of KOP mall dying and all these stores coming to Center City is never going to happen. We live in a country that favors suburban living over urban living unfortunately. The majority of the wealth in the region is on the Main Line, most of whom would prefer to drive to KOP mall to go shopping than Center City.

Unfortunately, you guys are looking at this the wrong way. Without KOP, most of these stores probably wouldn't be in this region at all at this point. We should be rooting for KOPs continued success, and hope to build up transit options to KOP and continue to let KOP build up and urbanize as a new urban/modern urban satellite city of Philadelphia - think Tyson's Corner.

Then, we have to hope Center City and surrounds continue to build up, and continue to gain desirability amongst the wealthy and tourists and attract some of these stores to open second locations in the region.

I don't see this dynamic between KOP and Center City and how retailers look at the region changing anytime soon - definitely not within the next 19/20 years. We have to hope Center City continues to gain desirability amongst retailers to open their second locations here.

[iheartphilly]

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KOP does $1 billiion in retail sales annually if not more and run by one of the best REIT (Simon Property Group). And, KOP has expanded and so has the surrounding towns. Physical retail shopping isn't going anywhere anytime soon at the KOP mall, it complements online shopping. And, going out to shop, eat, watch a movie, whatever in physical space is a healthy thing all around and beats sitting at home. KOP is a great asset to this region.

[EastSideHBG]

summersm343, we conjured up some good vibes

Pennsylvania DEP awards $575K for Delaware River projects including Chester trail, floating Schuylkill lab

Money would fund projects protecting the Delaware River coastal zone, including a trail in Chester that would link residents with the river they are largely cut off from.

https://www-inquirer-com.cdn.ampproject....re-river-estuary-watershed-20220105.html

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by EastSideHBG

summersm343, we conjured up some good vibes

Pennsylvania DEP awards $575K for Delaware River projects including Chester trail, floating Schuylkill lab

Money would fund projects protecting the Delaware River coastal zone, including a trail in Chester that would link residents with the river they are largely cut off from.

https://www-inquirer-com.cdn.ampproject....re-river-estuary-watershed-20220105.html

Haha! Awesome to see. I was going to post that too. You beat me to it!