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Old Posted Sep 8, 2021, 11:57 PM
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Maintenance through bike shops can run you near $250 every 3 months.
Does your friend have a high-end bicycle? I'm not that familiar with bike repair costs, but paying $1000 per year and servicing every season seems well beyond what the average rider would be doing - especially for the majority of bikes that are probably worth far less than that when new.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2021, 12:22 AM
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Yes, it's cheaper than driving, but it's not necessarily a free ride.
It's a lot freer if you go full Vancouver and steal a bike or ten. Then it is a free ride!
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2021, 3:31 AM
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A human on a bicycle is a lot less strain on infrastructure than 1000-3000 kg personal vehicles to several tonnes for personal vehicles. A lot of bicycle and multi use paths are on its original asphalt. There are sidewalks that have not been repaved in over 100 years.

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there are also roads this old as well. conc. ones, mostly found on some parts of the West Side.

you cant compare an asphalt road to a conc. sidewalk. both a conc. sidewalk and conc. road can last a long time as seen in some areas of the former Municipality of Point Grey
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Does your friend have a high-end bicycle? I'm not that familiar with bike repair costs, but paying $1000 per year and servicing every season seems well beyond what the average rider would be doing - especially for the majority of bikes that are probably worth far less than that when new.
A $100 service once per year is sufficient for most cyclists. If you're only riding in nice weather a dozen times per year you don't even need an annual service. The most damage is done when you ride in the rain and get water where it isn't supposed to be. If you are getting your ride serviced more often than that, you should probably learn to do the basics on your own (replace/patch an inner tube, clean and grease your chain, align your derailleurs, true a wheel, etc.
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there are also roads this old as well. conc. ones, mostly found on some parts of the West Side.
How about the original cobblestone streets? And no, I'm not talking about Gastown.
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A $100 service once per year is sufficient for most cyclists. If you're only riding in nice weather a dozen times per year you don't even need an annual service. The most damage is done when you ride in the rain and get water where it isn't supposed to be. If you are getting your ride serviced more often than that, you should probably learn to do the basics on your own (replace/patch an inner tube, clean and grease your chain, align your derailleurs, true a wheel, etc.
I rode a bike from grade 8-10 and never took it to the shop or paid a penny for service and it worked fine. Rode it regardless of weather.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2021, 6:17 PM
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there are also roads this old as well. conc. ones, mostly found on some parts of the West Side.

you cant compare an asphalt road to a conc. sidewalk. both a conc. sidewalk and conc. road can last a long time as seen in some areas of the former Municipality of Point Grey
My original comparison was to the BC Parkway circa 1986. A lot of the route is on 34 year old asphalt that's in good condition, although it would be nice if they made the path a metre wider. Any repaving done was most due to realignments or fixing heaved pavement due to tree roots or thermal expansion.
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My friend bike rides to and from work everyday. It's significantly expensive to maintain a bike, even more so if you plan to use a bike in the elements. Price of bike lube and oils have shot up. Maintenance through bike shops can run you near $250 every 3 months. Parts have also increased in price to the point where new tubes went from something near $5 a pack to $20+ in under a year. Yes, it's cheaper than driving, but it's not necessarily a free ride.
I do all my bike maintenance myself, bikes are much easier to work on than cars. Probably spent less than $500 on my bike in the 7 years I've owned it.
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It's probably useful to point out that a pedestrian and bike tube is likely also to be useful as an emergency escapeway in case of fire underground, or as a fresh air ventilation way. Currently, the escapeway is simply the oncoming traffic lane.
Credit where credit is due. This is a fair point and combining those two needs makes sense in case of a tunnel.
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Credit where credit is due. This is a fair point and combining those two needs makes sense in case of a tunnel.
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George Massey Tunnel Updates

Apologies for the long-winded post, but I’ve been reading through the document library on the Massey Tunnel site and thought I’d re-hash some of the key points. The sense I got from reading a lot of the documents is that the ALR lands are considered sacrosanct, and that other considerations were secondary. Particularly when SkyTrain was discussed. The highway right-of-way would have been widened to accommodate SkyTrain down the center, which presumably would attract more ridership and help people get out of their cars, but it was like ooo....it'll infringe on the farms. Even with bus lanes down the median, which would be faster than merging on/off at Steveston, it was like ooo...the interchanges will be bigger and infringe on the farms again! Anyways, here's the key points:

Rapid Transit:
Rapid Transit Review Discussion Paper prepared by Urban Systems, December 2020. Source: https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sit...sing-Rapid-Discussion-Paper-Redacted.pdf

The main takeaway from this report was that RapidBus along the corridor could, in theory, handle 3x as much traffic as the 2050 modelling undertaken for the crossing shows. Therefore, LRT/ALRT was not considered being needed (probably ever...). The report noted that the structural design of the tunnel would basically require a separate "cell" to accommodate transit. The bonus of doing that (for center running) LRT/ALRT was that it could allow the cell to be used as a counterflow system until rail was required. With side running (both tracks grouped onto one side of the tunnel), it was considered challenging to implement because you couldn’t have counterflow lanes passing through the interchanges on the side.

George Massey Tunnel Technical Briefing dated August 18, 2021. Source: https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sit...sing-Technical-Briefing-Aug.-18-2021.pdf

This document shows the walkway/emergency egress tunnel is on one side only. God forbid anything ever happens in the future, but it does look like people would still need to cross the opposing lanes of traffic to reach the exit walkway. Considering ALRT/LRT would need its own cell, the pedestrian/evacuation walkway being only 5m across and the Canada Line cars being 3m wide each...I think it's safe to say the walkway won't ever be wide enough, nor warranted, to include transit.

Environmental Assessment and First Nations Engagement:
Appendix A, Summary of Ministry's Response to ITR Recommendations, page 6.
Source: https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sit...Summary-ITR-recommendations-Redacted.pdf).

Thought this excerpt below was interesting, considering how reconciliation has been in the forefront of people’s minds nowadays as well as the recent environmental protests. I don't believe the casting basin has been discussed on here either.

"Engagement identified impacts (positive and negative) of ITT construction. These include but are not limited to:
• Need for a casting basin location
• Impacts to fish and fish habitat (during construction and potentially long term)
• Anticipated DFO requirements for offsets
• Impacts to vessel navigation and the need for ongoing communication with marine users and First Nations marine users during construction
• Potential impacts to Indigenous groups’ traditional and cultural use
• Potential impacts to Musqueam and Tsawwassen fishing rights in the area”


As a closing note, the biggest gripe I have about BC infrastructure planning (or lack thereof for future-proofing) comes from the same document on page 6:

“Future planning should be completed in accordance with Ministry practice identifying the minimum solution and then assessing incremental improvements separately on a value for money basis.”
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2022 now, very exciting as we can now all say the tunnel replacement bridge would be completed THIS year if NDP provincial gov hadn't cancelled construction in 2017. Now we have construction that may (emphasis on "may") start in four years [2026].

DailyHive article - Aug 18 2021, 11:47 am

"Almost exactly four years after the 10-lane bridge project to replace the George Massey Tunnel was cancelled, the BC NDP provincial government signalled today it is proceeding with revised plans for a new immersed [8-lane] tunnel crossing.

The new toll-free tunnel is currently expected to carry a $4.15 billion cost, with construction beginning in 2026 for completion in 2030. ...

At the time of cancellation in 2017, it was just months away from commencing construction, and had it followed the original timeline, it would have reached completion in 2022."

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Don't you love it when political ideology screws with logic?
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Question is... Is a tunnel or a bridge a better solution for this crossing? Whatever gets built will be around for FAR longer than a few years delay.
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Question is... Is a tunnel or a bridge a better solution for this crossing? Whatever gets built will be around for FAR longer than a few years delay.
Bridge if you want the crossing to be friendly with dangerous goods.
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Bridge if you want the crossing to be friendly with dangerous goods.
NDP: "We've found a way to keep those evil dangerous goods away from our precious province: a tunnel!"
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2022, 3:08 AM
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I still don't understand NDP's logic here. They got rid of bridge tolls to appease those living south of Fraser, yet completely screw them and every taxpayer over with George Massey. This is the single reason why I will never vote for them. Their fiscal mismanagement here is borderline criminal with over one billion dollar wasted. There should be people seeing jail time.
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I still don't understand NDP's logic here. They got rid of bridge tolls to appease those living south of Fraser, yet completely screw them and every taxpayer over with George Massey. This is the single reason why I will never vote for them. Their fiscal mismanagement here is borderline criminal with over one billion dollar wasted. There should be people seeing jail time.
Yes yes yes, but the unions and companies that support them are probably going to benefit greatly off the re-issue of all this -- especially since its effectively starting over from scratch (new EIA etc).

Its no different. Liberals give contracts to their big donors, NDP does to theirs. So they got "big money" out of politics? Tell me again how social media grass-roots movements work again? Nothing stopping an organization from encouraging its people to donate to one or the other.
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In the states unions are powerful in politics but does that also apply in here provincially or federally? Which unions are the big powerhouses?
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