US skyscraper milestone: closing in on 100 towers over 800' tall

[proghousehead]

Mount Washington NH from Portland Maine - about 50 Miles as the crow flies. An example from the east coast. We don’t have too many big cities nestled Next to high mountains up around these parts.

[Steely Dan]

^ cool! That's a perspective I've never seen before.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Chicago is going to enter a new phase of supertall construction and everyone is going to be jealous of its dominance, power, and greatness. Buahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it? Are there are bunch of new sites and proposals for supertalls, as well as active construction? The only city I know of in the US going through a supertall phase is NYC (which is going crazy right now).

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

I would love that to be true, but we only have one real super-tall proposal on the table at the moment, the trib addition.

Love the trib addition. Will be one of the tallest when it's completed. (Which actually now that I'm saying it is kinda sad, as it's only 1,422 ft.)

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by MAC123

Is it? Are there are bunch of new sites and proposals for supertalls, as well as active construction? The only city I know of in the US going through a supertall phase is NYC (which is going crazy right now).

Chicago only has one real super-tall proposal on the table at the moment, the trib addition.

LSE parcel I and 400 N LSD are the other two biggies that are approved and could theoretically start sometime soon as well, but they both fall short of "super-tall" status.

All three of these are now just waiting on the market and financing. i hope at least one of them gets going prior to 1000M's completion so we can keep our 800+ footer construction train rolling! (kicked off back in spring 2016 when One Bennet Park started construction)


CHICAGO | Tribune Tower Addition | 1,422 FT | 113 FLOORS







CHICAGO | LSE - Site I | 950 FT | 85 FLOORS







CHICAGO | 400 N Lake Shore Drive | 875 FT & 765 FT | ? & ? FLOORS

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by MAC123

Love the trib addition. Will be one of the tallest when it's completed. (Which actually now that I'm saying it is kinda sad, as it's only 1,422 ft.)

lol only 1,422 feet. Chicago and the USA could do better but that's not that short, especially by Western World standards.

Even places like Hong Kong and Dubai only have one building taller than that, although yea, 1,400 footers aren't as rare as they used to be.

LSE parcel I and 400 N LSD are the other two biggies that are approved and could theoretically start sometime soon as well, but they both fall short of "super-tall" status.

It was speculated that Parcel I may grow even more since the neighboring ~650 footer, also developed by Magellan, got chopped 150 feet. The remaining floors would be added to the tallest tower, theoretically.

Some drawings depicted it as 950' w/o the mechanical crown too if I remember correctly, so maybe it's near supertall status already?


Not trying to get anyone's hopes up too high, we should still assume 950' until told otherwise.

400 N LSD's taller tower is slated to be built first. Likely a pipe dream but I'm hoping the shorter tower gets a bump to supertall status... typical NIMBY concerns led to a height chop, but this northern tower is the one supposedly using the Spire's foundation, so makes sense to build taller.

I think it would be cool if they were twins, especially supertall twins.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

lol only 1,422 feet. Chicago and the USA could do better but that's not that short, especially by Western World standards.

Not just western standards, but really anywhere outside of east Asia (China in particular), a 1,422' building is still pretty damn tall.

According to the CTBUH, a 1,422' skyscraper would at this moment in time be:

The tallest skyscraper in Africa
The tallest skyscraper in South America
The tallest skyscraper in Oceania
The 2nd tallest skyscraper in Europe
The 3rd tallest skyscraper in the Middle east
The 5th tallest skyscraper in North America

The 23rd tallest skyscraper in East Asia (and 33rd including U/C towers; China has gone absolutely apeshit!)

[MAC123]

Yeah china's gone crazy. Though that's coming to an end with China's restrictions on building tall buildings. Still an amazing amount of them, and huge as well.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Not just western standards, but really anywhere outside of east Asia (China in particular), a 1,422' building is still pretty damn tall.

According to the CTBUH, a 1,422' skyscraper would at this moment in time be:

The tallest skyscraper in Africa
The tallest skyscraper in South America
The tallest skyscraper in Oceania
The 2nd tallest skyscraper in Europe
The 3rd tallest skyscraper in the Middle east
The 5th tallest skyscraper in North America

The 23rd tallest skyscraper in East Asia (and 33rd including U/C towers; China has gone absolutely apeshit!)

Asia is insane, but there still aren't that many individual cities with many 1,400 foot towers. Asia just happens to be a huge continent with many, many skyscraper cities. A 1,422' tower is pretty special anywhere.

[C.]

Originally Posted by MAC123

Yeah china's gone crazy. Though that's coming to an end with China's restrictions on building tall buildings. Still an amazing amount of them, and huge as well.

I would bet money that the restriction isn't permanent and in 20 years China will go back to building supertalls.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by C.

I would bet money that the restriction isn't permanent and in 20 years China will go back to building supertalls.

Maybe but they obviously wanted a cooling off period so who knows.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Asia is insane, but there still aren't that many individual cities with many 1,400 foot towers. Asia just happens to be a huge continent with many, many skyscraper cities. A 1,422' tower is pretty special anywhere.

Including both completed and U/C skyscrapers, there are now 42 towers over 1,400' according the CTBUH, but you're right that they are distributed among a wide group of (mainly Chinese) cities, with NYC, Kuala Lumpur, and Wuhan out in front with four apiece.


Global 1,400+ footers: 42


Europe: 1
- St. Petersburg: 1


Middle East: 2
- Dubai: 1
- Mecca: 1


North America: 5
- NYC: 4
- Chicago: 1


Non-China Asia: 8
- Kuala Lumpur: 4
- Seoul: 1
- Ho Chi Minh City: 1
- Taipei: 1
- Bangkok: 1


China: 26
- Wuhan: 4
- Nanjing: 3
- Shanghai: 2
- Shenzhen: 2
- Guangzhou: 2
- Suzhou: 2
- Tianjin: 1
- Beijing: 1
- Zhongshan: 1
- Xi’an: 1
- Hong Kong: 1
- Chengdu: 1
- Chongqing: 1
- Changsha: 1
- Shijiazhuang: 1
- Jinan: 1
- Kunming: 1




So if the 1,422' tall trib addition proposal in Chicago actually does get built, there won't be anything "sad" about its height.

[hipster duck]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Including both completed and U/C skyscrapers, there are now 42 towers over 1,400' according the CTBUH, but you're right that they are distributed among a wide group of (mainly Chinese) cities, with NYC, Kuala Lumpur, and Wuhan out in front with four apiece.

I don't really follow Chinese supertall construction, but according to our own diagrams, Wuhan only has one 1400-footer built.

They have 3 under construction, with 2 of them slated to be completed toward the end of the decade, and the other - developed by heavily-indebted Chinese property developer Greenland - supposedly on hold.

[Steely Dan]

^ I don't really follow Chinese supertall construction all that closely either, just reporting what's listed in the CTBUH database.

But thanks for the info regarding Wuhan. I'll re-run that table using only completed and topped-out structures. Give me a sec......

[WhipperSnapper]

To be sad over a 433 metre tower not being tall enough is a little out there. Look what it has begun though!

[Steely Dan]

here's the revised list for only completed and topped-out 1,400+ foot skyscrapers, according to the CTBUH.



Global 1,400+ footers: 30


Europe: 1
- St. Petersburg: 1


Middle East: 2
- Dubai: 1
- Mecca: 1


North America: 5
- NYC: 4
- Chicago: 1


Non-China Asia: 7
- Kuala Lumpur: 4
- Seoul: 1
- Ho Chi Minh City: 1
- Taipei: 1


China: 15
- Shanghai: 2
- Shenzhen: 2
- Guangzhou: 2
- Wuhan: 2
- Suzhou: 1
- Nanjing: 1
- Tianjin: 1
- Beijing: 1
- Hong Kong: 1
- Chongqing: 1
- Changsha: 1



so China has the most, by far, at the national level, but for individual cites, NYC and Kuala Lumpur currently lead with 4 apiece.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

here's the revised list for completed and topped-out 1,400+ foot skyscrapers only, according to the CTBUH.

Busan, Korean has one that comes in just below the 1,400' cutoff.

[Steely Dan]

^ that tower in Busan misses the mark by 50'.

But the following cities all have a tower that misses 1,400' by 25' or less:

Dubai
NYC
Chicago
Dongguan, China (I looked it up so that you don't have to )
Shanghai

[ChiSoxRox]

Dongguan is in between Guangzhou and Shenzhen, one of the massive cities in that vast Pearl River Delta web.

[MAC123]

And it's looking like NYC is about to get even more massive if they pass the unlimited FAR for residential that is planned. Hopefully this goes through, would be transformative for the city.
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