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Old Posted Nov 15, 2021, 5:23 PM
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Well said.

Agree especially with what you noted about what is really wanted is more entertainment. PrePandemic there were plenty of entertainment options in the central city, so the idea that there weren’t enough isn’t really believable.

I tend to think we have a glut of ground floor retail/dining. I’m not saying there are areas of the core that can’t use more, but we really need to get away from requiring every new residential development to require ground floor commercial space.

I would like to see more ground floor residential space like the building at Q and 19th or St. Anton at L and 21st which built out former restaurant space into ground floor apartment space. Now granted, I haven’t seen the tenants really do much of anything with those spaces in terms of making them look lived in but with the severe homeless problem, that’s somewhat understandable.
I think Q&19th had residential on the ground floor from its inception, but the reason why they did that was because of the lessons learned at St. Anton and other earlier midrise projects where the ground floor commercial spaces remained empty after construction due to the high rents of new construction; they were encouraged as a way to promote more street activity, but as we're discovering just declaring something retail space doesn't guarantee a business can prosper there. The high cost of a space also makes it necessary to put a high traffic business in those spaces, and generally only a bar/restaurant/nightclub type space can generate the revenue needed to pay the lease. So in recent years the city has backed off on that policy, allowing conversion to ground floor residential live/work spaces, with retail pads on the corners where there's more street activity.

Other forms of retail, specifically neighborhood-serving retail uses like hardware stores, clothing shops, cafes, dry cleaners, and grocery stores have a hard time competing with the bar/restaurant model, but of course that business model has broken fairly seriously as a result of the pandemic (and the constant syndrome of restaurants or bars that would open and close within 6 months was already a running joke.) As we add more population to the central business district (and it needs to triple just to reach parity with Midtown) there will be more people to support those neighborhood serving uses--increased demand and increased customers--which will keep more of those ground floor spaces open, in older buildings especially where the rents are lower. A 28 story residential tower at 3rd & Capitol might add enough critical mass to the nearby housing mix to justify neighborhood serving uses on its block. The challenge then becomes, where do the people who work in those neighborhood businesses live? Can they walk to work?
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2021, 10:37 PM
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To me, at this point, there can't be enough ground-floor retail and restaurant/bar space in Downtown. I bristle at projects that do not contain it.

Yes, it's not end of the world if a project isn't mixed use; but I prefer not to have quiet, suburban-style apartment buildings in the Downtown area. Much of downtown is just far too quiet. I've seen bucolic cow pasture with more going on. If you want silence, move to the suburbs.

In fact, lack of ground-floor retail and public access are the two things I hate most about the apartments, condos and homes in the rectangle between N - R streets and 2nd - 7th streets. They just feel so f***ing boring. Plus, most of them are too short to be in Downtown, and some of them feel cut off from the city. Those are the reasons why I like the Sacramento Commons project.

Having said all of the above, I do prefer things to happen organically. I want a store, restaurant or bar on ground level to support the people living above and nearby. As the city people patronize those establishments, some grow a following. Then those (apparently dreaded) suburbanites come from all over to visit. (Personally, I think that's a good thing.)

It's true that a lot of ground floor retail spaces have sat empty. We should note that some of those empty spaces are in parking garages that should have been wrapped with housing. Maybe if those garages were wrapped in housing, there would be a critical mass? Also, maybe if the spaces were smaller, businesses could afford the rent?

Of course, I would be remiss if I didn't mention the biggest issue: It is just too damn expensive to build. Doesn't it cost around $500,000 to build a housing unit? Jeez! Focusing on more residential is putting the cart before the horse. Our main focus should be finding ways to get prices down. Public Projects, Subsidies and Affordable Housing Fees only maintain high prices.

One thing I'd like to see in Downtown (and Midtown) is a few more places for small concerts and other performances. Sacramento's music culture just isn't enough. But again, I want to see those venues develop organically.

Speaking of "organic," you don't make or improve a downtown/city in one fell swoop. It happens over time. I get concerned about these larger "Downtown-y" looking developments. They try to be urban. Often, they end up being closer to a Downtown Disney, rather than a block that you'd find in New York, Philly, Boston, or SF. Really, they're places for suburbanites to be in the city but still feel at home.

I mean, Downtown Commons has a friggin' Yard House restaurant. What's next? An Applebee's? I don't look down on corporate restaurants, but 'City' and 'Downtown' don't exactly come to mind when I think about them. Plus, I like the idea of microneighborhoods, where you can walk a couple blocks over and find something scaled right and unique to that area.

The other issue is that large, corporate restaurants tend to close down after a few years, leaving a big shell in their wake. Retail, Restaurant and Entertainment spaces that are scaled for the neighborhood seem to do better. (Though our response to the pandemic hurt a lot of small businesses.) Plus, smaller spaces can change easily if the business closes. If more space is needed, then it's a matter of knocking down a wall.

With regard to Downtown being more than just an area to store State Office Buildings, I am all for it. The R-S-T corridor is filled with one or two story buzz boxes (and some parking lots) that are either for government or government-adjacent offices. I would like to see more private business. I hope I am alive to see the day where most (or all) of those buzz boxes (and parking lots) are replaced with 5 to 12+ story buildings, with a mix of residential, private office, retail, restaurant, and entertainment.

As an aside... I keep seeing all this excitement about R Street on my Instagram, but I don't get it. Yeah, there are a couple nice projects and a couple more on the way, but most of R Street ugly, underused or parking. Meh... I want more.
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Anyone have any good links to the new UC Davis hospital and the new housing project proposed in the railyards (think it is well over 300 units proposed)?
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2021, 8:05 PM
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Anyone have any good links to the new UC Davis hospital and the new housing project proposed in the railyards (think it is well over 300 units proposed)?
The hospital proposed for the Railyards is a Kaiser, UC Davis is expanding their existing campus into "Aggie Square" closer to Stockton & Broadway.

The first residential building in the Railyards, The AJ (354 units including I think 80 or so affordable units), is currently under construction, and the Wong Center (senior affordable housing) should start construction soon; the Business Journal just posted a story today about a new proposed building for the central Railyards, 432 units in 2 buildings (7 and 5 stories): https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2021/11/18/next-railyards-housing-project.html
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Anyone have any good links to the new UC Davis hospital and the new housing project proposed in the railyards (think it is well over 300 units proposed)?
If you’re referring to the new tower on the med center campus, I haven’t found any specific plans. There is this general link:

https://health.ucdavis.edu/health-news/n...eet-state-seismic-requirements--/2021/02
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Anyone have any good links to the new UC Davis hospital and the new housing project proposed in the railyards (think it is well over 300 units proposed)?


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Early rendering for the California Tower at the UC Davis Medical Center.
This was part of a UC Construction Contract Administrators Annual Forum presentation.
(Rendering is in the link posted by Innov8)
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Innovation Park & California Northstate University Medical Center

Buildout of the Innovation Park PUD is anticipated to occur over approximately 16 years, beginning in 2022 through 2038. Arco Arena demolition by implosion is being considered as soon as April - July 2022 and hospital construction also starting in April 2022 (pg. 179). The California Northstate University (CNU) Medical Center Project looks to be a 12 story (730,000 sf) mid-rise with a crown height of 259 feet. The most norther edge of the area will be turned into a 42 acres Annual Grasslands and the abandon six acer baseball park will be turned into a fresh water wetlands (pg. 294).

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^ Thanks for posting that. The more I read about the entire plan, if done right, this could be the best thing that ever happened to Natomas.
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wow! looks like the new court house is going to be a lot smaller then the federal court house , on the rendering both buildings look almost about the same height. 270 feet on the new court house????
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Preliminary rendering for Lot X - 30 story, 350 ft tower

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Old Posted Dec 25, 2021, 6:05 AM
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Hopeful but skeptical

While I hope the Southern Land Company will be able to pull this off, I will remain skeptical until the the topping off ceremony. (Assuming there will ever be one).
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building permits have been filed for the infamous parking garage lot at the corner of 20th & L. Those who remember, this was supposed to be a mid-rise residential with Whole Foods on the ground floor. Whole Foods pulled out of the project in 2016. New plans call for a 4-story residential building atop retail. The retail space is listed as 38k sq ft so sounds like they're still going to try to land a grocer.

https://sfyimby.com/2021/12/permits-filed-for-2025-l-street-midtown-sacramento.html
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AgencyCounter is the City of Sacramento’s new online tool to easily view planning applications and proposed development projects in the city.

Use the AgencyCounter to:
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RE: new courthouse. Both crane towers were jacked up in the last 3 weeks. The cement pour nozzle at the top of the east concrete (elevator?) skeleton has been removed, so I presume it is now at full height at 18 floors.
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RE: new courthouse. Both crane towers were jacked up in the last 3 weeks. The cement pour nozzle at the top of the east concrete (elevator?) skeleton has been removed, so I presume it is now at full height at 18 floors.
And is it dramatically shorter than we all thought it would be?
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And is it dramatically shorter than we all thought it would be?
It's not dramatically shorter, but it is shorter
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New details have been released for a 32-story high-rise apartment and office tower planned for an empty lot in downtown Sacramento.

Southern Land Co., a Nashville, Tennessee-based development firm, submitted new plans with the city of Sacramento this week for the project, proposed for what is known as Lot X. The lot sits at the corner of Third Street and Capitol Mall and is a combination of a grass-covered lot and parking.

The proposal appears to have grown in size since Southern Land and the Sacramento Kings announced their intention to build the high rise in October. Southern Land purchased the property from the Kings.

The project includes a 368-foot-tall main building with 243 residential units, a five-story office tower and a seven-story parking structure, according to a project narrative filed with the city.

Southern Land said last year that it planned to begin construction in 2023 and complete the project in 2025. A company representative could not immediately be reached for comment on Friday.

The developer wrote in its planning application that it has designed the tower to complement nearby Crocker Park and the Crocker Art Museum.

“Abundant outdoor seating and dining terraces will extend the limits of the park’s influence to create additional opportunities to enjoy the Sacramento weather,” Southern Land officials wrote. “For residents and office tenants, multiple upper level balconies, rooftop gardens and amenity spaces will reinforce connections to the park on a vertical plane.”

In addition to the apartments in the tower, the complex will also include five townhomes facing N Street and the office building along Capitol Mall. The apartments will range in size from 590-square-foot studios to 3,013-square-foot apartments with three bedrooms.

The main tower would be the tallest residential structure in Sacramento.


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At 32-story, 368 foot tall, (if built) is going look real nice along the waterfront and West Sac!
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