PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[TempleGuy1000]

Originally Posted by cardeza

goon squad?? wow. So what is the new claim- that this bill is going to kill development in Philadelphia? I feel like we have heard that a few times in the recent years.

I will admit 'goon squad' was an immature nickname, but I find their performance and governance to be reprehensible. Few cities in this country are as apathetic towards their local government as Philadelphia is towards it's. Failure after failure after failure.

From the constant inability to pick up the trash on time, to get the sidewalks fixed, street lights replaced, to have someone answer 9-1-1, to not have your ticket immediately closed 5 mins after opening by 3-1-1. The list of very serious quality of life issues goes on and on in Philly. The very basic things people expect from a first world country aren't done correctly in Philadelphia. City council seemingly has no interest what so ever to address these very glaring quality of life issues that have a cascading negative effect on the community.

No one should be surprised by these things- people in council are not elected by developers.

No one should be surprised that our city council is purposefully making real estate more exclusive and expensive through misguided means? While neglecting the many other things I listed before? I don't give two squats about "developers", I am literally just a person looking to buy a house in Philly and am amazed at how much of a rip off most houses are because there is limited inventory and multiple people bidding at the same time.

Here's some reading for you, Cardeza, so you can be more informed on the topic and how inclusionary zoning laws are actually killing affordable housing being built in the 'super star cities' like SF, BOS, and NYC. Feel free to tell me why the authors are wrong. I would be curious.

Why It’s Wrong to Turn Down Half a Loaf of Affordable Housing

Is inclusionary zoning creating less affordable housing?

'We Haven’t Advanced At All': Bowser Addresses Failure To Add Affordable Housing In D.C.'s Wealthy Enclaves

If IZ is throwing the cost ratio off in the super star cities, what is it going to do in our not super-star, but still high union and material costs, city?

[iheartphilly]

And if you run a small business in Philly, the dysfunction is like 10X. TBT, I blame the people who are suppose to do their jobs as much as city government officials.

Bottom line is you can't make people care about their jobs and the service that they should provide but still want to collect a paycheck and game the system. It's a systemic problem. It's a shame, because there's no pride in the service they provide. It's like you are an annoyance to them if you need something or have questions. They aren't there really to help.

[summersm343]

Quite the Pivot at 5th & Bainbridge – No Target, More Density, Less Parking

Current site:


Rendering:


Read/view more here:
https://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/q...idge-no-target-more-density-less-parking

[AnEmperorPenguin]

Originally Posted by cardeza

No one should be surprised by these things- people in council are not elected by developers.

I don't know that driving up housing cost is really going to be hitting "developers" the hardest or that people that build housing are the bad guys in a scenario where you need more housing

[PurpleWhiteOut]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Quite the Pivot at 5th & Bainbridge – No Target, More Density, Less Parking
Rendering:

This looks FAR better/less cheap, I just wish it had red brick or more color somewhere. I'm just personally not a huge fan of all the white and black in a colorful red brick and paint filled city. On the other hand, the red brick and panel look of the old rendering looked awful

[Insoluble]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Quite the Pivot at 5th & Bainbridge – No Target, More Density, Less Parking

Current site:


Rendering:


Read/view more here:
https://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/q...idge-no-target-more-density-less-parking

Oh hell yes! Can't wait for this stupid surface lot to go. This looks like terrific density for the area. Build it!

[CleetMcDougle]

http://www.rising.realestate/45-unit-mix...&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkin.bio

Fishtown continuing to build out closer to the river!

[EastSideHBG]

Wawa Closes Another Philadelphia Store Due To Operational Challenges, Other Factors

Wawa has shut down another Philadelphia location for good. The store at 13th and Chestnut Streets closed Monday.

The company says operational challenges along with other factors led to the decision to close the store.

https://philadelphia-cbslocal-com.cdn.am...hia-store-center-city-chestnut-street%2F

[chimpskibot]

Originally Posted by EastSideHBG

Wawa Closes Another Philadelphia Store Due To Operational Challenges, Other Factors

Wawa has shut down another Philadelphia location for good. The store at 13th and Chestnut Streets closed Monday.

The company says operational challenges along with other factors led to the decision to close the store.

Idk why Wawa has about a handful of locations within a 10 minute walk from each other. Seems a little excessive. Although this is sad, CC is coming back strong with ground floor leasing at least in my neighborhood. And more stores are expected to open next year which is nice!

[EastSideHBG]

Originally Posted by chimpskibot

Idk why Wawa has about a handful of locations within a 10 minute walk from each other. Seems a little excessive. Although this is sad, CC is coming back strong with ground floor leasing at least in my neighborhood. And more stores are expected to open next year which is nice!

On a related note I found this article and the map to be interesting:

Center City pedestrian traffic is rebounding, but office occupancy remains low
The number of people in Center City each day is increasing, but where they are headed tells a story of pandemic recovery.
https://technical.ly/philly/2021/12/14/center-city-pedestrians-office-occupancy/

[kool-ski]

Great news!!! The property above the Beury Building on the SE corner of Broad & Butler Streets just received a building permit today!!

COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMIT: CP-2021-006722

FOR THE ERECTION OF AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE. FOR A VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACE AT FIRST FLOOR ( USE REGISTRATION AND FIT-OUT PERMITS REQUIRED PRIOR TO OCCUPANCY) IN THE SAME BUILDING WITH MULTI-FAMILY HOUSEHOLD LIVING( 113 DWELLING UNITS) WITH FOURTY-FOUR(44) ACCESSORY SURFACE PARKING SPACES

https://eclipse.phila.gov/phillylmsprod/...sentation=Public&PosseObjectId=397033628

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by kool-ski

Great news!!! The property above the Beury Building on the SE corner of Broad & Butler Streets just received a building permit today!!

COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMIT: CP-2021-006722



https://eclipse.phila.gov/phillylmsprod/...sentation=Public&PosseObjectId=397033628

Even better news is the building permit issued a couple weeks ago for the landmark Beury Building itself, the long-awaited conversion to a hotel!

https://eclipse.phila.gov/phillylmsprod/...sentation=Public&PosseObjectId=393070323

Commercial Building Permit CP-2021-006242 (Issued)
Type of Work: Addition and/or Alteration
Approved Scope of Work: FOR LEVEL 3 ALTERATIONS TO AN EXISTING HIGH-RISE BUILDING FOR HOTEL USE AS PER PLANS
.…
Number of Stories of Work: 14

[PurpleWhiteOut]

Originally Posted by Jayfar

Even better news is the building permit issued a couple weeks ago for the landmark Beury Building itself, the long-awaited conversion to a hotel!

Commercial Building Permit CP-2021-006242 (Issued)
Type of Work: Addition and/or Alteration
Approved Scope of Work: FOR LEVEL 3 ALTERATIONS TO AN EXISTING HIGH-RISE BUILDING FOR HOTEL USE AS PER PLANS
.…
Number of Stories of Work: 14

Amazing! The Beauy building and 2700 N Broad moving forward is so huge. They're "beacons of blight" just like the Divine Lorraine used to be. I'm partial to North Philly and North Broad, and I'm so excited to see it.

[kool-ski]

Originally Posted by Jayfar

Even better news is the building permit issued a couple weeks ago for the landmark Beury Building itself, the long-awaited conversion to a hotel!

https://eclipse.phila.gov/phillylmsprod/...sentation=Public&PosseObjectId=393070323

Commercial Building Permit CP-2021-006242 (Issued)
Type of Work: Addition and/or Alteration
Approved Scope of Work: FOR LEVEL 3 ALTERATIONS TO AN EXISTING HIGH-RISE BUILDING FOR HOTEL USE AS PER PLANS
.…
Number of Stories of Work: 14

Yes!! I vaguely remembered seeing that permit too and forgot to post it and/or tie it together with this one. Thanks for pointing out that important nugget and, like you said, even better news.

[PhilliesPhan]

Originally Posted by EastSideHBG

Wawa Closes Another Philadelphia Store Due To Operational Challenges, Other Factors

Wawa has shut down another Philadelphia location for good. The store at 13th and Chestnut Streets closed Monday.

The company says operational challenges along with other factors led to the decision to close the store.

https://philadelphia-cbslocal-com.cdn.am...hia-store-center-city-chestnut-street%2F

I work very close to the 13th and Chestnut location. Whenever I'm in the office, I see little need to go there: the store at 12th and Market is larger and better-stocked. If I have a light meeting schedule, I'll even make my way over to the 6th and Chestnut location before 13th and Chestnut. In fact, the only time I really patronize the store at 13th and Chestnut is when I need drunk food after doing karaoke at McGillin's.

It probably made more sense to have stores at 12th and Market, 13th and Chestnut, and Broad and Walnut back when office occupancy rates were normal. Although foot traffic is ticking back up, and people are returning to the office at a faster rate here in Philadelphia than few other places in the country (so I've heard from management), the Wawa market was likely oversaturated.

[EastSideHBG]

Originally Posted by PhilliesPhan

I work very close to the 13th and Chestnut location. Whenever I'm in the office, I see little need to go there: the store at 12th and Market is larger and better-stocked. If I have a light meeting schedule, I'll even make my way over to the 6th and Chestnut location before 13th and Chestnut. In fact, the only time I really patronize the store at 13th and Chestnut is when I need drunk food after doing karaoke at McGillin's.

It probably made more sense to have stores at 12th and Market, 13th and Chestnut, and Broad and Walnut back when office occupancy rates were normal. Although foot traffic is ticking back up, and people are returning to the office at a faster rate here in Philadelphia than few other places in the country (so I've heard from management), the Wawa market was likely oversaturated.

Very true. That store had a lot of issues too and depending on when you went it wasn't always a fun place to be. And re: oversaturated I agree and it seems like WaWa was doing a smaller scale Starbucks approach where they oversaturate a market, get what they can from it, and then slowly close the "underperformers".

[iamrobk]

Originally Posted by PhilliesPhan

I work very close to the 13th and Chestnut location. Whenever I'm in the office, I see little need to go there: the store at 12th and Market is larger and better-stocked. If I have a light meeting schedule, I'll even make my way over to the 6th and Chestnut location before 13th and Chestnut. In fact, the only time I really patronize the store at 13th and Chestnut is when I need drunk food after doing karaoke at McGillin's.

It probably made more sense to have stores at 12th and Market, 13th and Chestnut, and Broad and Walnut back when office occupancy rates were normal. Although foot traffic is ticking back up, and people are returning to the office at a faster rate here in Philadelphia than few other places in the country (so I've heard from management), the Wawa market was likely oversaturated.

Yeah, agreed that the 12th and Market and 13th and Chestnut locations were too close to make much sense, but this closure is unfortunate because it means the only Wawa serving the entire Rittenhouse neighborhood is the 16th and Chestnut one, which is pretty small (and IIRC was intended to be like a mobile ordering, pick up only store, although that seems to have changed). Just off-hand, I think a Wawa in the former Fox and Hound location at 15th and Spruce would do very well, though I'm guessing that space will eventually become another bar/restaurant.

[Mayormccheese]

Originally Posted by iamrobk

Yeah, agreed that the 12th and Market and 13th and Chestnut locations were too close to make much sense, but this closure is unfortunate because it means the only Wawa serving the entire Rittenhouse neighborhood is the 16th and Chestnut one, which is pretty small (and IIRC was intended to be like a mobile ordering, pick up only store, although that seems to have changed). Just off-hand, I think a Wawa in the former Fox and Hound location at 15th and Spruce would do very well, though I'm guessing that space will eventually become another bar/restaurant.

There’s a wawa at 20th and market which serves the rittenhouse neighborhood. Not really sure why the rittenhouse neighborhood needs a wawa though. There’s plenty of other stores in the area that offer what wawa does

[PHLtoNYC]

Call me crazy, but I am happy to see this Wawa go. This space will be filled quickly, and hopefully by a nicer fast-casual option. &Pizza and several awesome ice-cream brands have expanded nearby, hopefully we see something similar. Plus, most Wawa's in CC are not desirable places to be near.

[Mayormccheese]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

Call me crazy, but I am happy to see this Wawa go. This space will be filled quickly, and hopefully by a nicer fast-casual option. &Pizza and several awesome ice-cream brands have expanded nearby, hopefully we see something similar. Plus, most Wawa's in CC are not desirable places to be near.

Chestnut st from juniper to 12th is a little rough. I hope this gets filled with something quickl