NEW YORK | 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt) | 1,581 FT | 92 FLOORS

[Sky88]

Hey, why has the height of the Tower been reduced again? Is there any official communication? Let's not get confused again!

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Hey, they just saved a bird’s life.

bird's life?

birds aren't real.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/09/technology/birds-arent-real-gen-z-misinformation.html

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by dropdeaded209

sorry for the OT but what's the "major redevelopment" planned for 601 Lex (Citicorp)? Isn't that a landmark too?

Not to go off, but a little more related to that graphic…


https://commercialobserver.com/2021/12/b...group-norges-bank-investment-management/

Boston Properties just recently wrapped up a four-year-long, $283 million renovation of the property’s six-story mixed-use atrium, per Moody’s. The work led to the asset’s retail space being reconfigured to include more restaurant space, as well as the creation of a ground-level entrance and separate lobby off East 53rd Street.

Other work to the landmarked building included upgrades to the entryways and the main lobby, as well as the existing office space and ground-floor retail space within the six-story atrium. The second- through sixth-floor office suites were redeveloped, and a new office entrance was added. NYU Langone Health subsequently leased out the office space in the redeveloped atrium, per Moody’s.

In September, Boston Properties opened a large new food hall at the property called The Hugh, which has 17 restaurants and occupies space at the asset’s ground floor and lower level.

Back on 175 Park, it’s interesting that the council would reduce the open hours of the plaza. The CB was concerned about restrictions on open hours.

[pianowizard]

Too bad New York won't be getting a >500 m skyscraper, as 1575 ft = 480 m. Affirmation Tower, we are counting on you now!

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

bird's life?

birds aren't real.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/09/technology/birds-arent-real-gen-z-misinformation.html

Well placed and timely

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by pianowizard

Too bad New York won't be getting a >500 m skyscraper, as 1575 ft = 480 m. Affirmation Tower, we are counting on you now!

Nobody cares about that. The average person on the street couldn’t tell you what 500 meters is.

Im sure the developers aren’t concerned, they’ve shown that there could be variations of height, it’s not unworkable. My problem is, what could that small reduction in height accomplish?? It appeases no one. It’s just silly. This becomes formal today.

[Manitopiaaa]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Nobody cares about that. The average person on the street couldn’t tell you what 500 meters is.

Im sure the developers aren’t concerned, they’ve shown that there could be variations of height, it’s not unworkable. My problem is, what could that small reduction in height accomplish?? It appeases no one. It’s just silly. This becomes formal today.

It's the New York City Council. Performative theatrics that accomplishes nothing and appeases no one is what they're paid $148,500 a year to do.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by Manitopiaaa

It's the New York City Council. Performative theatrics that accomplishes nothing and appeases no one is what they're paid $148,500 a year to do.

Lol, sad but probably true


Question is, is 1,575 the actual height of the building or just newest maximum allowable height? I really hope it doesn't keep going down further.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Nobody cares about that. The average person on the street couldn’t tell you what 500 meters is.

If this were any other country besides the US, I'd disagree with you.

[MAC123]

Incompetence. A 67 ft height reduction does nothing, at all, besides piss us off. What reason could they possibly pull out of their ass to justify this? And decreased hours of operation for the terrace? Why? It’s a 2 hour reduction, could someone please explain what that possibly does?

[Crawford]

Well that sucks. Crazed NYC NIMBYs strike again.

It won't make much skyline difference, though. 1,575 ft. will have essentially the same impact.

As for the two-hour reduction in terrace access, the NYC Council hates people having fun. They're always seeking to restrict nightlife, dancing, outdoor dining, late night restaurants, people gathering for any reason, etc. They even tried banning brunch, by trying to block weekend AM alcohol sales. Their constituency is 90-yo rent controlled grannies who go to bed at 7 PM.

[Zapatan]

^^ If it is indeed 1,575 it's still a great height but like I mentioned a few comments back that could just be the new limit.

That being said is there a chance it just refers to the bulkhead w/o a crown? If so it could still reach 500 meters.

If not hopefully NY or the US will see a legit building that high but in the meantime 480m is still colossal, we're really spoiled.

[gramsjdg]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

what would be a future NYC icon without an arbitrary height reduction... at least it will be taller than Central Park Tower.

Ridiculous. A measly 25' higher than CPT?

I shouldn't be surprised. This is becoming the norm in NYC.

[rivernorthlurker]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Nothing really new, but a look at the CTBUH presentation...

Mind blowing other worldy stuff. Making 270 Park look dated.

[pianowizard]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

^^ If it is indeed 1,575 it's still a great height but like I mentioned a few comments back that could just be the new limit.

Certainly possible. After all, it looks shorter than 1,575 in the rendering below, since One Vandy is 1,401:

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by pianowizard

Certainly possible. After all, it looks shorter than 1,575 in the rendering below, since One Vandy is 1,401:

Yea, though that rendering might be old (and looks like the 1,486 version)

Even at that height it would make a nice signature tower, though I hope it still makes it into the 1,500s to be noticeably taller than Chase and the tip of 1V

[JMKeynes]

“Can you say ‘Greatest City in the World,’ boys and girls?”

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Lol, sad but probably true


Question is, is 1,575 the actual height of the building or just newest maximum allowable height? I really hope it doesn't keep going down further.

Yes, I would like to know this as well. I don't really see how the Council could arbitrarily reduce the height without a valid or logical reason. That would make no sense and would expose developers to vagaries of the Council. I could see a (crazy) decision to say reducing it 1 foot below a NYC signature building like the ESB or 1 WTC, but the 1575 is no special number than say, 1001 or 2001. Seems kind of stupid to me.

[NYguy]

^ The council can do anything, and approvals with modifications are the norm. It should be pointed out that it was City Planning and not the council that cut the height of 553w53.

Originally Posted by Manitopiaaa

It's the New York City Council. Performative theatrics that accomplishes nothing and appeases no one is what they're paid $148,500 a year to do.

It’s ridiculous.

Originally Posted by MAC123

If this were any other country besides the US, I'd disagree with you.

But it’s not.

Originally Posted by MAC123

Incompetence. A 67 ft height reduction does nothing, at all, besides piss us off. What reason could they possibly pull out of their ass to justify this? And decreased hours of operation for the terrace? Why? It’s a 2 hour reduction, could someone please explain what that possibly does?

Haven’t yet read full modifications, I’d just say it was the local member throwing something at it to say, “See, I at least gave you a height reduction.” It’s a meaningless and senseless reduction, but he can walk away feeling he had a hand in shaping it.

But I can promise you, this a$$ will get a strongly worded message from me, as he should from all of us, for this useless gesture. He’s an embarrasment to the city.

Originally Posted by pianowizard

Certainly possible. After all, it looks shorter than 1,575 in the rendering below, since One Vandy is 1,401:

Again, a rendering is a rendering, you can’t draw a height from that. The common graphic is of a 1,565 ft tower. The graphic for 343 Madison is of a 932 ft tower (907 ft roof).

[NYguy]

https://www.tapinto.net/towns/sutton-pla...avenue-rezoning-approved-by-city-council

175 Park Avenue Rezoning Approved by City Council


By MARC BUSSANICH
December 15, 2021

During the last meeting for 2021, the City Council passed a rezoning of 175 Park Avenue, currently the Grand Hyatt Hotel right next to Grand Central Terminal, that will see the construction of a new 1,575-feet high tower that will be accompanied by hundreds of millions of dollars in private and public dollars to improve infrastructure and transportation at the site, as well as create a new major public space for arts and culture.

According to SOM, the new invigorating tower design will establish a new concept that incorporates office space with arts and cultural programming. To that end, the programming will include 12 large-scale events per year with a partnering organization and 25 additional events, coordinated by a Cultural Advisory Committee consisting of representatives from Council District 4, the Manhattan Borough President’s office, and Community Boards 5 and 6.

Councilman Keith Powers welcomed the City Council’s overwhelming vote to approve the rezoning, saying that the landmark redevelopment will bring new life and energy to East Midtown.

“Between the sprawling public terraces, innovative arts and culture programming, enormous transportation improvements, and once-in-a-lifetime investments into upgraded public space, 175 Park Avenue will revitalize and transform East Midtown into a central hub of arts, culture, and economic development throughout New York City and the greater metropolitan area,“ said Powers.

Chair of Community Board 6, Kyle Athayde, noted that the Community Board was pleased that the developers sought input and feedback from the board and the public, and thanked Powers’ advocacy for meeting the needs of the local community.

“We look forward to a project that is respectful of the local community, and are excited for the improvements to Grand Central Station that will make it more modern and accessible to reassert its reputation as one of the world's premier transportation hubs,” said Athayde.

Meanwhile, Jake Elghanayan, Principal, TF Cornerstone, similarly thanked Powers for his support for the project.

“Council Member Powers has been instrumental in shaping the intricacies of this project – from the public realm improvements to the art and cultural commitments. “Our proposed development, which will come to fruition thanks to the Council Member’s support, will upgrade East Midtown’s urban landscape, improve the City’s public transit, and support the City’s economic recovery,” said Elghanayan.