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I don't know what it is about these buildings....they're not ugly, but they ARE incredibly awkward looking...
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I don't know what it is about these buildings....they're not ugly, but they ARE incredibly awkward looking...
I think it's the angle, for one. It just looks off-axis in relation to everything around. We criticize symmetry until one day it's gone, and then the results look awkward...

I would say the mass is the other element here. Despite the angle and the visibly distinct design between the two "leaves", this is a long wall.
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I think it's the angle, for one. It just looks off-axis in relation to everything around. We criticize symmetry until one day it's gone, and then the results look awkward...

I would say the mass is the other element here. Despite the angle and the visibly distinct design between the two "leaves", this is a long wall.
I’m reading this discussion about angles and looking at same set of angles in the arrangement of buildings along the west side of Confederation Square in the background of the render. Curious.
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Angled buildings are unicorns in Ottawa. Let's get more of them!
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Just needs a little height difference between the two halves
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Looks really good! Nice to see a new building downtown with more glass used for the façade. I wish it were a bit taller, but this is still a great proposal for what is otherwise a vacant lot on top of a transit hub.

I'd also love to see the mall parking garage across the street be redeveloped with another tower as well.
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I’m reading this discussion about angles and looking at same set of angles in the arrangement of buildings along the west side of Confederation Square in the background of the render. Curious.
I suspect the angle is a nod to the axis of the Rideau Canal cutting through the downtown core grid.
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I suspect the angle is a nod to the axis of the Rideau Canal cutting through the downtown core grid.
I suspect you're right.
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I suspect the angle is a nod to the axis of the Rideau Canal cutting through the downtown core grid.
Interesting if that's the case.

As for hotels, we're still seeing quite a few proposed or u/c, like the AC Marriott on Rideau, the Major Building, Claridge Moon is supposed to have a hotel component, the M+M on Albert. As I've mentioned before, I wish one of the "towers" of this proposal was hotel space.
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Looks really good! Nice to see a new building downtown with more glass used for the façade. I wish it were a bit taller, but this is still a great proposal for what is otherwise a vacant lot on top of a transit hub.

I'd also love to see the mall parking garage across the street be redeveloped with another tower as well.
Or at the very least maybe they could actually finish that parking garage 🤣 They never installed the aesthetic bars, but they installed the mounts for them. That garage looks really rough for how new it is too, the concrete is badly corroded in so many places.
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Or at the very least maybe they could actually finish that parking garage 🤣 They never installed the aesthetic bars, but they installed the mounts for them. That garage looks really rough for how new it is too, the concrete is badly corroded in so many places.
The ornamentation on that place has always been a mess. The glass overhangs were installed along Nicholas but had to be removed because they were too close to the road, and the glass risked being hit and falling onto the sidewalk. Daly got fins that stuck out over the sidewalk, also removed.
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Developer intends to preserve landmark Registry Office in high-rise residential extension to Rideau Centre

By ShriyaBalachandran, April 20, 2022
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A major redevelopment at the south end of the Rideau Centre would see the city’s landmark Registry Office — a heritage site built in 1874 — preserved within a 21-storey residential high-rise linked to the shopping centre.

Cadillac Fairview, the owner of the Rideau Centre, says it will integrate the historic stone building at 70 Nicholas St. into the residential tower by moving it about 18 metres north. The heritage structure would stand alone but about one-quarter of the building would become part of the ground floor of the new commercial-residential development.

The Registry Office once housed all of the City of Ottawa documents from land deeds to surveys. It was built almost 150 years ago based on a plan designed by Kivas Tully, Ontario’s chief provincial architect in the late 1800s.

Designed with an antique brick and arch facade, rusticated quoins, and classical arched windows, the building’s architecture highlights many features from the time when it was built.

The interior was split into three vault-like storage areas, each for a distinct civic purpose. The structure was built to be protected from the elements with thick walls, a four-metre deep foundation to protect the building from floods, iron doors covering the three vaults, and steel shutters on the windows to protect the contents from fire.

“Inside the building, they originally had a large, steel, fireproof vault,” said David Flemming, chair of the Heritage Ottawa architectural conservation advocacy group, and a member of the city’s built heritage sub-committee.

“And it was on a track,” added Flemming. “When the Registry Office opened in the morning, they would roll this filing cabinet out to the storefront so that if I wanted to come register a new title, they would be able to open the file, bring out the charts. At the end of the day, they would roll it back on the track into the third room, which was a fireproof room.”

The building’s distinct facade connects it to the city’s historic Judicial District which includes the former Nicholas Street jail across the street and the former county courthouse on nearby Daly Avenue. It stands in contrast from modern developments nearby, such as the Rideau Centre.

“Although not a large building, the Registry Office, with its classical temple massing and solid brick and stone construction, commands attention,” Heritage Ottawa says of 70 Nicholas St. “The building has high architectural integrity. Its fireproof construction methods, including interior brick vaults, cast-iron window fittings, and thick stone floors designed to protect land records reflect the sanctity of land ownership.”

After its initial use, the Registry Office became the original home of the city’s historical society and later housed the Bytown Museum. It has been vacant for decades.

Cadillac Fairview bought the property from commercial developer Viking-Rideau in 2013.

Flemming said it’s not surprising the building is being repurposed as part of a commercial-residential redevelopment rather than preserved as a parkland space.

“Being realistic, it’s right in the downtown area, so I don’t think we’ve ever been under any apprehension that this building was going to be preserved by Cadillac Fairview as a park,” he said. “We always anticipated that it would be part of a much larger development.”

Mario Santana, an engineering professor at Carleton University, says that whenever a historic building is moved or repurposed, one must always question the ‘why’ behind the plan and what benefits are derived from preservation.

“It’s a question of why are we preserving that building? Why are we just not demolishing the building? What’s the big thought about keeping it?” he said, adding that in this case “there’s an aspect of social coherence. We don’t want to see skyscrapers appear in every inch of the city.”

A cultural impact statement prepared by Cadillac Fairview said the proposed development would be “re-integrating the Registry into its context as a public realm feature with relationship to the courthouse and surrounding streetscape.”

Heritage Ottawa supports integrating the Registry building into the high-rise structure but opposes dismantling 70 Nicholas St. and rebuilding it a short distance to the north.

“Heritage Ottawa is strongly opposed to the dismantling and reconstruction of the Registry Office,” the organization said in a statement. “It would adversely impact the building’s heritage designation and would seriously compromise its historic integrity.”

Santana said that in moving a significantly older building to repurpose it, placing it in context is essential to pay homage to its authenticity.

The initial reception to the application has been positive, said Flemming. However, he added some in the community believe that the redevelopment may not be suitable given the historic value of the Registry Office.

“A lot of people want to leave the property as it is and restore the building and leave the trees around,” he said. “Other people are upset about the large buildings that are going behind it. Some people are saying that it will overwhelm the Judicial Precinct.”

A public meeting was held in March to discuss the project and the proposal will now go through a number of stages of approval at city hall before it proceeds.

https://capitalcurrent.ca/developer-inte...-residential-extension-to-rideau-centre/
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updated design:

http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...Formal%20Review%20-%20D07-12-21-0197.PDF

They removed the frames and 2 volume approach, so now it feels much more like a giant glass slab, thanks to the urban design review panel. Masonry podium looks better though.

I'm all for wider sidewalks, but I'm not sure I get the rational behind moving the registry several feet back? Seems like unnecessary cost and added resistance from heritage ottawa.
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Preferred the previous design but i dont hate this one either
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I also preferred the original design, but I have no qualms for the new one. I still welcome the sleek glass façade.
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Hmmm. I prefered the look of the left side and the right side 'buildings' if looked at independently on the first design, but hated the disjointed 'Bell Street Tower/Liv Apartments building stuck to a building' look. The new proposal works much better for me, it looks like one building built at one time, even though the more cohesive facade is less interesting than facade(s) of the old one. I also prefer the lighter coloured podium. There is a lot of concrete on that block and the previous dark coloured podium wouldn't have lightened up the mood any.
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This needs to be built like... now...

Drove to Rideau this weekend and it's a big empty field with garbage and stuff flying around. This will be great to make this area more vibrant, safe, continue the street-wall.

I don't mind the revised design. The mix-matched black & white overhangs didn't really do anything for me in the original design and this revised one looks more cohesive. I do really like the amount of glass and the off-set balconies.

What are the chances, if approved, that this thing ends up looking like the render? Is it only Claridge that does bait-and-switch or do others do so as well?
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This needs to be built like... now...

Drove to Rideau this weekend and it's a big empty field with garbage and stuff flying around. This will be great to make this area more vibrant, safe, continue the street-wall.

I don't mind the revised design. The mix-matched black & white overhangs didn't really do anything for me in the original design and this revised one looks more cohesive. I do really like the amount of glass and the off-set balconies.

What are the chances, if approved, that this thing ends up looking like the render? Is it only Claridge that does bait-and-switch or do others do so as well?
Plenty of other Bait & Switch specialists in Ottawa. Trinity's Rideau + Chapel is a great example. Every once in a while we are pleasantly surprised though, and hopefully this will be one of those projects.
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Preferred the old design, including the darker podium which provided a contrast with the glass and buff brick Registrar's Office.
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