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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 9:49 AM
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In one of Hatman's concept maps he has one TRAX line serving Old Greek Town station. They could still use Hatman's plan but extend that one line to include the current SL Central station.

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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 1:46 PM
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Anyone who doubts that Salt Lake could support a NFL team can look no further than last night.
I don't know what having successful college teams has to do with the NFL. Should Birmingham get an NFL team because Alabama is so successful?
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 5:33 PM
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Ya, absolutely terrible. Not! Go Utes!
Im just messin'. I'm guessing I'm probably one of the only BYU fans on this board.

Congrats on the rose bowl, Ute friends!

All three FBS teams in Utah had fantastic seasons
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 5:36 PM
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Im just messin'. I'm guessing I'm probably one of the only BYU fans on this board.

Congrats on the rose bowl, Ute friends!

All three FBS teams in Utah had fantastic seasons
I went to both schools and cheer for both teams. People think I’m nuts.
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 10:04 PM
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I don't know what having successful college teams has to do with the NFL. Should Birmingham get an NFL team because Alabama is so successful?
I wasn’t talking about the Utes winning. I was talking about a professional football stadium being full of Utes fans. The crowd was like 80-20 Utes to Ducks for a game that had to travel. I was just pointing out that we could fill a stadium.
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 10:23 PM
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I think they've tried to break down the massing to relate to the scale, but not enough. This building is massive for the area. There's a reason those zoning requirements are there. All along that street on 4th west are small scale buildings that have a lot of potential to bring a lot of character and vibrancy to the Granary.



https://www.buildingsaltlake.com/the...0ajNnDC7jAvB4M

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Old Posted Dec 6, 2021, 12:56 AM
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I wasn’t talking about the Utes winning. I was talking about a professional football stadium being full of Utes fans. The crowd was like 80-20 Utes to Ducks for a game that had to travel. I was just pointing out that we could fill a stadium.
I think it's an impossible comparison. We're looking at one game for a conference championship - not a bunch of season long contests over the course of a few months.

Especially with most every game taking place on a Sunday.

But it's not just whether Utah can get the crowd to the game that matters. It's whether there's corporate financial dollars willing to support the team. At this point, I don't think that's the case.
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I think they've tried to break down the massing to relate to the scale, but not enough. This building is massive for the area. There's a reason those zoning requirements are there. All along that street on 4th west are small scale buildings that have a lot of potential to bring a lot of character and vibrancy to the Granary.



https://www.buildingsaltlake.com/the...0ajNnDC7jAvB4M
This building comes in shorter than the 90 foot parking garage they're building right across the street... IMO it's fine with the post district a block over and eventual streetcar on 400W. It's going to be so close to the 300W and 900 S redesigns, too

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Old Posted Dec 6, 2021, 7:13 AM
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This building comes in shorter than the 90 foot parking garage they're building right across the street... IMO it's fine with the post district a block over and eventual streetcar on 400W. It's going to be so close to the 300W and 900 S redesigns, too
Agreed. This will not look out of place in 3-5 years.
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Looks like they're adding the crown (is that the proper term?) on the Hyatt Regency:



The top. They're putting on the top.
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Looks like they're adding the crown (is that the proper term?)

The top. They're putting on the top.
Like the green fog "angel of death" in the Ten Commandments.

Inversion. Its a thing.
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The inversion always sucks but not getting any snow yet sucks much more. Hopefully we get some heavy snowfall soon!
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2021, 10:07 PM
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Bummer about the Utes.
I can cheer for the Utes (except for when they play BYU).

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I can’t believe how bad the air looks in that picture
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2021, 6:20 PM
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Post District Update

MVE just posted a nice update for the Post District.

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Check out the latest construction photos of Post House! The mixed-use project in the D-2 area of downtown Salt Lake City for Lowe Property Group, Q Factor, and BCG Holdings is really taking shape. The development consists of five buildings with 580-units and over 26,000 SF of retail construction. Learn more about new projects from MVE on our website (link in our bio).






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Old Posted Dec 7, 2021, 7:33 PM
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It's so unfortunate they designed and are building it around an existing billboard.
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It's so unfortunate they designed and are building it around an existing billboard.
I don't think they had much of a choice. The laws in Utah really favor billboard companies to an insane degree. There's a good (perhaps biased) summary of that nonsense here.

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Billboard companies' highly influential lobbying over many years has resulted in unfair and unwarranted taxpayer subsidies and concessions – all at the expense of towns, cities, counties, private property owners and real estate developers.

Local governments get no measurable tax revenue from billboards. State law classifies billboards as personal property (such as jewelry, cars, and boats), rather than real property (such as homes and buildings). As personal property, billboard values are self-reported by their owners, and in fewer than 20 years a sign’s taxable value is amortized to zero. This means billboard companies report low – and for many billboards – no values for their billboards at tax time.

But purchase values are disproportionately higher than tax values. Once billboards are amortized, they are evaluated at a fraction of their construction cost and business value – for tax purposes. Yet, when a property owner, real estate developer or government entity needs to remove a billboard, the sign is treated more like real property, allowing a billboard company to demand a purchase price that is astronomically higher than the taxable value it reported. When a government is able and willing to pay the inflated price, taxpayers are stuck with the bill.

To remove one, Utah law requires us to pay for more. Even if a property owner, real estate developer or government only needs to purchase a single billboard (for a redevelopment project or to widen a road, for example), state law allows the billboard company to be compensated for an entire “package” (or bundle) of signs. If one billboard in that package needs to be moved, the property owner or government must pay as if it were taking the entire package. Package values are vague and defined by the billboard company. There is no requirement to demonstrate market value of a package, nor any limit on the number of billboards that constitute a package.

Billboards often make more expensive, deter, or even prevent, land development. Many Utah properties are zoned for greater development potential that would maximize the use and value of the land. But because billboard companies control use of the underlying property through lease agreements or easements, they can prevent any economic development that may adversely affect the visibility of their signs. Any attempt by property owners, real estate developers or governments to remove a billboard to accommodate redevelopment (and realize the tax value) triggers the inflated sales price.

Unlike most other landowners, billboard companies commonly ignore local zoning ordinances due to state laws allowing them to do so. State statutes allow existing billboards to be moved within one mile of their original location—for any reason. If local zoning ordinances prohibit billboards at the new location, state law requires that the government entity purchase the billboard at an inflated price. Since most local governments cannot pay the price, they’re forced to allow billboards to be reconstructed or moved, regardless of zoning laws or the public interest.

Taxpayers are subsidizing the outdoor advertising industry. Allowing billboards to be moved for any reason puts taxpayers on the hook for the private business decisions of billboard companies. For example, a billboard owner may cite loss of lease, or simply a desire for a better location, as reason for a move request—neither of which involve the public interest or would be initiated by a government entity. If the government denies the move request, its only option is to purchase the billboard at an inflated rate with taxpayers’ money in a narrow window of time. No other business is granted the “privilege” of moving location for business reasons, and demanding taxpayer compensation if their preferred location is not an option.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2021, 8:01 PM
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Hyatt-Regency Hotel

Does anyone out there know if the new steel work on top of the south end of the hotel is for luxury suites or is it just decorative?

I know the hotel is 26 stories and currently is only at 25 floors.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2021, 9:24 PM
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I don't think they had much of a choice. The laws in Utah really favor billboard companies to an insane degree. There's a good (perhaps biased) summary of that nonsense here.
Those are some insane laws and a prime example where lobbying and political donations can and have seriously gone wrong.
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