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Old Posted Dec 6, 2021, 4:46 PM
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Some reasons why it is difficult to pair the two together

Some have a wish for Grey Cup, Vanier Cup, Canadian Bowl on one weekend
Dan Barnes The Toronto Sun December 11, 2020

They’re not going to drop the ball this time.

Officials with the gridiron game’s major stakeholders met for a total of 15 hours in October — they called it the Canadian Football Summit — and generated five action items, topped by a recommendation to align the Grey Cup, Vanier Cup, and Canadian Bowl into a national championship weekend.

If the stakeholders’ utopian mash-up of professional, university and junior football championships never comes together, it won’t be for lack of follow-through.

“There have been other summits before that generated all kinds of recommendations, then everybody goes their separate ways and nothing gets done,” said Football Canada president Jim Mullin, the driving force behind the summit. “So the key part is we created a place for these national members to be (Football Canada) associate members and to sit on a council and continue to discuss and develop these issues.”

That council, which now includes the Canadian Football League, Canadian Junior Football League, U Sports and Canadian Football Officials Association, will convene at least three times a year, before each of Football Canada’s general meetings.

“So we can have follow-up action on all of these issues,” said Mullin.

That level of continuing communication is key, but it doesn’t guarantee success on their top-line item of a national championship weekend. The natural conclusions of junior, university and CFL seasons do not align. While there is apparently an appetite for the CJFL to delay the Canadian Bowl by a fortnight to be staged during Grey Cup week, there is more complexity to the U Sports calendar. It’s likely that training camps would open a week earlier, meaning student athletes would forego a week of summer job wages, and the season’s opening games would have to be played without students on campus.

“There are some schedule challenges,” said Mullin. “It’s pretty hard to take 27 teams and four conferences and thousands of athletes and move their season a week back or even two weeks back in some cases.”

So there are hurdles. There is also a willingness to get it done.

“There certainly is an appetite to add both of these championships to Grey Cup week, and we will continue to work towards that goal as we enter 2021,” said Greg Dick, head of football operations for the CFL, and a Football Canada board member.

In the meantime, there are also alternatives.

“The Vanier Cup could work with the Canadian Bowl to create a football festival at the end of the year on a weekend, and do so with a robust broadcast platform built around it,” said Mullin.

“I think the CFL has a potential role to play in this, even if those schedules aren’t aligned. I think there is a great possibility for a Grey Cup city to hold something like this football festival a year prior. It would be a great test and a run-through, kind of a mini footprint for a festival. And it would be a revenue generator for the CFL team and for the amateur groups, and it is something that would definitely be broadcast friendly. On those levels, that can work as well.

“So in regard to doing something that brings the football country together, there are a couple of paths to this. And this is where we need that council in place so we have further discussion and development. We want to see the best conclusion to the championships that we have and amplify them as much as possible.”

There is also some momentum behind packaging as many as nine amateur events and building a broadcast consortium around them. They would include the Canada Cup, a Four Nations tournament, the Vanier Cup, the Canadian Bowl, perhaps the East-West Bowl, and potentially an annual game — the World Junior Bowl — between Canadian and Mexican under-25 players each December in Mexico. The latter event is currently being developed.

“What it allows us to do is take the (event) inventory and sell that inventory as an offering in the marketplace for those who want to support amateur football,” said Mullin, who sees TV exposure for the game as the gateway to more participation at the grassroots level for players, officials and coaches.

“We have to get on those platforms, get the message out about what we do for programming. We’ve got to have that broadcast presence, with a supporting streaming presence.”

The stakeholders will continue to hold monthly Canadian football summit meetings in 2021, and will focus in January on how to strengthen football at the high school level.
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I realize that they probably have an awards banquet and such during Vanier Cup weekend as well, and that that takes some advance planning. But you could have that somewhere else at an other time of the year, like the NHL does for its awards.

It's not as if the fact that it's during the Vanier Cup draws that much extra attention to the awards anyway.
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Now that I think of it, the NHL, NBA and MLB all award their championship trophies in a location that's impossible to predict in advance and plan for.
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Even Montreal would be out, given the current apparent inability to host the Grey Cup. Though I don't see why Molson stadium could not work... it's got a lot of limitations, especially re: temporarily expanding capacity, but if the league is able to pull off a successful game this weekend at THF despite cutting the temp stands and concert zone due to the pandemic then why wouldn't another "small scale" championship work?

I suspect it would be hard to host a larger game in one of the home cities. It takes time to get permits and arrange construction for temporary stands, organize volunteers, etc. And how do you decide who hosts in a fair enough manner? (though maybe you just alternate between the winners of the Mitchell and Uteck bowls)
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Now that I think of it, the NHL, NBA and MLB all award their championship trophies in a location that's impossible to predict in advance and plan for.
Sure, but they involve multiple games in venues that don't get modified (at least nowhere near as much) as most of the CFL stadiums do.
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A simple solution to the GC/VC combo vs. letting non-CFL cities have a crack at it is just to do it on a roughly alternating basis. Wouldn't have to be a strict 1-2-1-2 arrangement, just pick whichever approach makes more sense in a given year, with the idea being that every decade it should be a roughly half and half split. USports is leaving money on the table.
There's definitely something to combining the VC and GC weekends, of course, but I also understand USPORTS hesitancy in being background noise for a much larger event every year. An alternating pattern would make sense if it aligns for both. We already know next year's VC is in Quebec City and next year's GC is in Regina with 2023 in Hamilton. Don't really see any issue with putting the VC in Hamilton in 2023 to match before separating again for 2024. I don't know.

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Now that I think of it, the NHL, NBA and MLB all award their championship trophies in a location that's impossible to predict in advance and plan for.
Incredibly difficult to compare USPORTS to professional franchise leagues. The variation in locations for those leagues is much less than for USPORTS, where a final could be in Montreal or Toronto or it could be in Wolfville or Kingston. The logistics required would probably be too much for USPORTS to handle a snap decision within a week or two for hosting.

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I suspect it would be hard to host a larger game in one of the home cities. It takes time to get permits and arrange construction for temporary stands, organize volunteers, etc. And how do you decide who hosts in a fair enough manner? (though maybe you just alternate between the winners of the Mitchell and Uteck bowls)
It wouldn't really be possible in some of the smaller USPORTS markets. On that note, there's never been a VC in Atlantic Canada.
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It wouldn't really be possible in some of the smaller USPORTS markets. On that note, there's never been a VC in Atlantic Canada.
That is amazing considering that the Maritimes is a bit of a university football hotbed relative to the rest of the country. I presume it's lack of an appropriately sized venue? (But then again Griffiths Stadium in Saskatoon is small and they augmented the seating with temporary seats)

I guess the one place in the entire region with a stadium capable of hosting the Vanier Cup doesn't have a team.
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That is amazing considering that the Maritimes is a bit of a university football hotbed relative to the rest of the country. I presume it's lack of an appropriately sized venue? (But then again Griffiths Stadium in Saskatoon is small and they augmented the seating with temporary seats)
I think it's less to do with the stadiums and more to do with the markets. The AUS has much smaller markets than all of the other conferences and so hosting in Antigonish or Sackville is a big difference from hosting elsewhere. USPORTS probably still think they can sell tickets to a VC like they could a decade ago and so want to keep the event in larger media markets.

The only team in a large market is St. Mary's and IIRC their stadium is pretty hemmed in by university buildings and can't really be expanded. I guess they could play out of Wanderers if they really wanted to.

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I guess the one place in the entire region with a stadium capable of hosting the Vanier Cup doesn't have a team.
Neither Moncton nor Saint John are options, no.

USPORTS football could take a page from hockey, though, and host consecutive VCs back-to-back in the same market to encourage stability. The University Cup is held in the same location two years in a row for the sake of stability and logistics, but that's also more of a tournament than a one-off game.
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I think it's less to do with the stadiums and more to do with the markets. The AUS has much smaller markets than all of the other conferences and so hosting in Antigonish or Sackville is a big difference from hosting elsewhere. USPORTS probably still think they can sell tickets to a VC like they could a decade ago and so want to keep the event in larger media markets.

The only team in a large market is St. Mary's and IIRC their stadium is pretty hemmed in by university buildings and can't really be expanded. I guess they could play out of Wanderers if they really wanted to.

Neither Moncton nor Saint John are options, no.

USPORTS football could take a page from hockey, though, and host consecutive VCs back-to-back in the same market to encourage stability. The University Cup is held in the same location two years in a row for the sake of stability and logistics, but that's also more of a tournament than a one-off game.
I kind of figured that Halifax would be the most natural place to host a Vanier Cup in Atlantic Canada but they do lack an appropriate venue. After that you get into some pretty small locales and the logistics of doing that would be extremely difficult and frankly, not worth it.

It has been a while since Toronto has hosted after many years (decades) of being the host city. Given its proximity to so many USports schools and the ease of access for more far-flung teams, I wonder if that might happen again.
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'We definitely will run out': Pacific FC's championship win sends merchandise and season ticket sales soaring
Brendan Strain
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Published Dec. 7, 2021 8:41 p.m. EST

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Work is already going on behind the scenes to expand the Starlight Stadium to accommodate all those fans.

"We’ll make sure we’ll expand the stadium here so that we can have more fans enjoying this great game of soccer," said Stew Young, the Mayor of Langford.

The City of Langford is currently in talks with BC Hydro about the expansion.

"What’s going to happen is that pole right there will be gone once hydro takes that out in 2022," said Norris-Jones, as he pointed to a giant power pole that runs along the property that the stadium sits on.

Once that hydro pole is removed, Langford will begin work on expanding Starlight Stadium to accommodate an extra 4,000 fans. Included in that expansion will be 13 new luxury suites, bringing the stadium’s capacity from 4,800 to nearly 9,000.

That expansion is expected to be completed by 2023.


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BC Soccer unveils plans for its new headquarters and soccer-specific complex at Gates Park Port Coquitlam

Posted on December 13th, 2021 by BC Soccer

BC Soccer is excited to share publicly its plans for a new corporate base which would serve as not only the Association’s head office, but also the home of a soccer facility to support coach, referee, and player development programming along with a suitable location for soccer events and festivals.

Following extensive discussions with numerous municipalities, the City of Port Coquitlam emerged as the preferred partner as a community that was eager to increase an already impressive inventory of recreational facilities.

In Gates Park, the City of Port Coquitlam and Soccer’s Provincial governing body have identified a strategic location, intended to serve both local users in Poco Euro Rite FC (Poco Soccer), as well as the wider Provincial soccer community.

The key elements of the facility include BC Soccer’s home showcase field to FIFA pitch standards, a covered grandstand and floodlights, along with dressing rooms and storage. The two story pitch-side building would be BC Soccer’s new head office featuring appropriate space for storage, meetings, classrooms for courses and clinics, along with the Soccer Hall of Fame of British Columbia in the main foyer. There would also be a viewing gallery for the main field.


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https://www.portcoquitlam.ca/bc-soccer-hub-proposal/
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In the revolving stories of renovate or build new, the Blue Jays are back to renovating what they have. Will be interesting to see what they come up with.

https://venuesnow.com/55627-2/
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Two pieces of great news for soccer in BC!
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In the revolving stories of renovate or build new, the Blue Jays are back to renovating what they have. Will be interesting to see what they come up with.

https://venuesnow.com/55627-2/
Makes sense as they have perfect location and the stadium is more cost attractive to just renovate like Cleveland and the White Sox have done.
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Flames reportedly pulling out of new Calgary arena deal.

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...MItIseBaF9uPJg
Yikes, I don't understand how Calgary with such a large and wealthy corporate base to that of Edmonton and Winnipeg cannot get modern arena and stadium work done already.
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Yikes, I don't understand how Calgary with such a large and wealthy corporate base to that of Edmonton and Winnipeg cannot get modern arena and stadium work done already.
Our entitled oil barons demand corporate welfare. Edwards sounds like Melnyk doing this. I’m having a hard time caring about the Flames lately the way CSEC treats this city.
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I wonder if this is a ploy to get a free arena. Maybe they figure the City is too far into the process and will build anyway.
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In the revolving stories of renovate or build new, the Blue Jays are back to renovating what they have. Will be interesting to see what they come up with.

https://venuesnow.com/55627-2/
So far I've seen some very budgety sketches to rip out and rebuild the lower bowl, in what would be a fixed baseball orientation.
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