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View Poll Results: Who should be the next mayor of Ottawa?
Mark Sutcliffe 8 15.38%
Catherine McKenney 43 82.69%
Bob Chiarelli 1 1.92%
Other 0 0%
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2021, 6:15 PM
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Deans also considering a run for Mayor.

I could see Moffatt run for Mayor if Watson decides not to. Surely Watson will "choose" his successor, and I can only see a handful of Watson Club members who fit the bill.
Agreed on the "choosing a successor". He's got his hands in all the relevant pots.

I can't see Watson winning another electioni f he ran-probably depends on who runs against him though. He is a great politician and I am quite thankful for his tenure, but he will likely read the tea leaves and know it is time to move on. Honestly, Diane Deans has been on point for many issues of late. Her questions around LRT and her refusal to cave, showed a lot of grit. I'd probably vote for her if she ran. Mckenney might be a bit left for my liking but I'm ok with a left wing mayor from time to time. She's a hard worker for sure. Leiper would be good-no idea if he has any interest though. He's vey intelligent and quite balanced.
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Watson is well past his expiry date for sure. I would be okay with McKenney or Leiper as mayor, but not Shawn Menard. That guy is so confrontational, it would be a disaster!
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I'd be more than happy to vote for Leiper. I'd certainly vote McKenney if they're the only person running against Watson/successor even though they are more to the left than myself. I could not vote Menard.

My issue with Deans is that she's been here for too long. She's also a bit too confrontational. Not Menard level, but still. More than anything, she's to defensive of the police to my liking. Last year we were told no increases for 2022, but we give them 3%, but try not to spend it. And then the Covid vaccine fiasco; no need, we'll do a test every few days. After the public backlash, mandatory by end of January! But if you don't get vaccinated, a test every few days. So no change. But hey, great leadership by the chief for changing the policy! Even though it wasn't actually changed.

We keep giving the cops money, yet crime's going up and it seems like they're doing less and less ever year. Police Service is broken? Let's flush more money down the drain!
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I'd be more than happy to vote for Leiper. I'd certainly vote McKenney if they're the only person running against Watson/successor even though they are more to the left than myself. I could not vote Menard.

My issue with Deans is that she's been here for too long. She's also a bit too confrontational. Not Menard level, but still. More than anything, she's to defensive of the police to my liking. Last year we were told no increases for 2022, but we give them 3%, but try not to spend it. And then the Covid vaccine fiasco; no need, we'll do a test every few days. After the public backlash, mandatory by end of January! But if you don't get vaccinated, a test every few days. So no change. But hey, great leadership by the chief for changing the policy! Even though it wasn't actually changed.

We keep giving the cops money, yet crime's going up and it seems like they're doing less and less ever year. Police Service is broken? Let's flush more money down the drain!
Yep - 100% agree!
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Has Fleury ever shown interest for the mayor position?

He's younger, urban, involved, charismatic, bilingual. He has been a councilor for 3 terms, so I think he has enough experience. Same age as the working class. Not an older guy who could be retired.

They sometime invite him on the french radio station I listen to, and he seems to have a great personality.
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I agree that McKenney is a bit too "left" for my liking, but I'm not sure how much of that would translate into decisions they could make as Mayor. They might pander a bit too much to nimbys but that could be expected of anyone who runs against the Watson Club. Also, I hope their seriousness about fighting climate change might be enough to dissuade them from falling into the nimby trap.

Menard is also a good option, IMO. His confrontational nature might be due to his frustration with the Watson Club's iron grip on all decision-making and overall lack of due process at City Hall. On Twitter, he comes off as a very level-headed and intelligent guy. I also have more faith in him to fix transit than McKenney.

Between Menard and McKenney, I can almost guarantee that whoever gets elected out of the two would get a lot of influence from the other, assuming they they don't both run for mayor and risk one of them losing out on a council seat, not to mention cannibalizing each others' votes. They need to coordinate their effort.
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I don't see McKenney pandering much to the NIMBYs. I'd argue McKenney's way better in that regard than either Leiper or Menard.

That said, I would vote for any one of those three if they ran against Watson. Deans too though I'd prefer McKenney to Deans.
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Deans also considering a run for Mayor.

I could see Moffatt run for Mayor if Watson decides not to. Surely Watson will "choose" his successor, and I can only see a handful of Watson Club members who fit the bill.
Moffat said he won't be seeking re-election but that would just be for his seat. Jimbob had said in the spring, this fall he would announce if he would be seeking re-election. Obviously there is way to much turmoil going on right now.
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Has Fleury ever shown interest for the mayor position?

He's younger, urban, involved, charismatic, bilingual. He has been a councilor for 3 terms, so I think he has enough experience. Same age as the working class. Not an older guy who could be retired.

They sometime invite him on the french radio station I listen to, and he seems to have a great personality.
He has in the past. Not sure what his position is now. As others have said, the urban Councillors (or even all non-Watson Club members) would have to discuss and decide which one should run for mayor otherwise, votes would be split.
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random comment.

Jim Watson says "at the end of the day" way too much.
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McKenney is not left enough for me

I find Menard comes off as engaged, dedicated, and principled. I happen to agree with most of what he says.

I would be banging my head against the wall if I was in Menard's position. A new councillor, you find it impossible to get anything done in council because of the Watson Party, except when Watson decides your idea is good and does it himself, stealing your thunder.

I would be pleased with any of the opposition councillors, except Deans.
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It seems almost certain to me with the provincial LRT inquiry that Watson will decide it's time to go. I do hope we get a more progressive and collegial council next election.
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I would like to see someone who is not currently on Council - my concern would be that if they are part of the Watson group, or not part of the Watson group, either way it would perpetuate similar divisions. I think that someone entirely new would be better able to fix this divisive problem that Watson’s leadership style created. That said, no one honestly comes to mind who would realistically be up for it - first person that came to mind as a local figure with some presence and likely some even-keeled apolitical sense was Dr Etches, for example.

Of the current councillors, I do like how Leiper fairly consistently provides some explanation on his thinking, whether you agree with it or not. It seems at least an approach that lends better to collaboration. I don’t get the same sense from McKenney or Menard - though I agree with them more often than not, I don’t think that makes for good leadership. As others have said before, Menard doesn’t seem to work well with disagreement and would probably not be any improvement over Watson.

Regardless, maybe Watson’s leaving will be enough to make Council generally more open minded and collaborative across the usual two groups.
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Of the current councillors, I do like how Leiper fairly consistently provides some explanation on his thinking, whether you agree with it or not. It seems at least an approach that lends better to collaboration. I don’t get the same sense from McKenney or Menard - though I agree with them more often than not, I don’t think that makes for good leadership. As others have said before, Menard doesn’t seem to work well with disagreement and would probably not be any improvement over Watson.

Regardless, maybe Watson’s leaving will be enough to make Council generally more open minded and collaborative across the usual two groups.
Hey, I'm directly quoted

Leiper explains his votes quite well.

Menard is too idealistic and was poking the bear that is Watson before he even got elected. Surprise, surprise he didn't get on any plum committees at the outset.

I don't think Menard has enough City wide appeal and will certainly get few votes outside the greenbelt.

At this point in time, about the only incumbent I see losing would be Chiarelli
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I would like to see someone who is not currently on Council - my concern would be that if they are part of the Watson group, or not part of the Watson group, either way it would perpetuate similar divisions. I think that someone entirely new would be better able to fix this divisive problem that Watson’s leadership style created. That said, no one honestly comes to mind who would realistically be up for it - first person that came to mind as a local figure with some presence and likely some even-keeled apolitical sense was Dr Etches, for example.
It's possible we could see a repeat of last election where MPPs that lost ran for various municipal positions in Ontario. Not sure any of our local MPPs would be up for mayor, maybe a councillor.
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Scott Moffatt is leaving city council — but on his own terms
Rideau-Goubourn councillor has taken unpopular stands on local issues

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Posted: Nov 20, 2021 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: November 20


Rideau-Goulbourn Coun. Scott Moffatt caught many off guard when he announced earlier this week that he would not seek re-election next year.

But to those closest to him, the decision came as no surprise.

The three-term councillor, who lives in North Gower with his wife Jill, a nurse at CHEO, and their five children, chairs the city's environment committee and co-chairs the planning committee.

During his 11 years on council, Moffatt hasn't always taken the easy road, sometimes adopting positions that put him at odds with his constituents. Yet since his first successful campaign in 2010, he's won re-election twice. So why stop now? And what's next?

Earlier this week, CBC Ottawa sat down with Moffatt at his office in North Gower to talk about what he's learned from his time in office, why family must always come first, and why the easy decisions aren't always the right ones.

Moffatt says he was fascinated with municipal politics from a very young age. Seriously.

"I grew up watching these guys," he said, gesturing to a framed portrait of the former Rideau Township council taken in 1981, the year of his birth. "I always had this weird interest."

He took his first stab at a seat on Ottawa city council in 2006, losing to Rideau Township's former mayor, Glenn Brooks. Four years later he was back, trouncing Brooks and three other candidates with more than half the vote.

"I've often said since then that the best thing that happened to me politically was losing that [2006] election, because I learned what I did wrong," Moffatt said.

"I think had I won, I would have maybe taken the job for granted. I wouldn't have earned it if I'd won in 2006 the way I had to earn it in 2010."
Sticking to your guns

From the get-go, Moffatt has found himself at odds with many of his constituents over some of the most contentious issues facing the largely rural ward.

"There's no question: the way I do my job, I create opposition. I can be very blunt and direct with individuals. I take positions sometimes that might not seem the most popular, but in my estimation are in the best interests of the community," he said.

In 2011, it was bi-weekly garbage pickup. Moffatt backed the plan to save money and encourage recycling by reducing garbage service, and even volunteered his young family to prove it could be done.

In subsequent terms, Moffatt backed an unpopular stormwater fee for rural residents because he reasoned the new tax structure would benefit them in the long run. More recently, he supported a controversial plan for a massive warehouse on Roger Stevens Drive.

"I believe that what we did with the zoning for that property is absolutely in the best interest of this community long-term. There are members of the community that don't believe that, but I do," Moffatt said.

"The easy decision? Oppose it. Let it pass through council because everyone else will vote in favour of it, and I oppose it. Then it looks like I stand with the community. I've never done that. I've always felt I've got to be honest with people."

While he may have a knack for getting backs up in his own ward, Moffatt has largely managed to float above the personal animosity that has come to characterize Ottawa city council — at least in the public's eye.

"When a few of us look like we're fighting, the public just sees all of us fighting. The public doesn't discriminate," Moffatt said. "That becomes an 'all of us' issue. 'Throw the bums out, they all have to go.'"

He agrees that the rift has widened recently, especially between a predictable voting bloc of urban councillors and the rest, usually led by the mayor.

"In my first term, there was a stronger willingness to collaborate and work together," he said. "I know one member of council currently, their entire goal is not being seen to be in line with the mayor."

Moffatt said his own approach as environment committee chair has been more collaborative than combative.

"I think I have a track record of helping councillors get stuff done in a collaborative approach that then gets through council, usually with overwhelming majority support. The official plan just passed 21-2. That wasn't a 15-8 vote," he said.

"I don't have an opportunity to be an opposition councillor. We're in government, every single one of us, and we each have a role."

As most politicians discover, it may be their name on the ballot, but their family's along for the ride, whether they want to be or not.

Moffatt recalled one trip to the grocery store early in his first term, at the height of the stormwater fee debate.

"I don't think I saw my family for two hours. Aisle after aisle, people stopped to talk to me. And you can't just say, 'I'm off the clock.' I mean I could, but you'll probably never get that person back. They'll always remember that I brushed them off."

As he grew into the job, Moffatt gradually learned to devote more time to his family. A big part of that, he said, was quitting Facebook in 2019.

"I was just answering the same questions over and over again to the same people, and two hours would go by and I'd just be completely ignorant of the people around me at home. So I tried to fix that," he said. (Moffatt remains active on Twitter and produces his own podcast called Twenty One, Rideau-Gloubourn's ward number.)

He said he must be doing something right because his kids want him to run again.

"I think they think I'm good at the job."

But the decision's been made. There will be no fourth term.

"I think three terms is a good amount of time to get the job done, to gain the experience to do what you need to do to be effective," he said.

Moffatt said he decided early on that 12 years in office would be enough.

"I think after a while, I think the ward can use a new set of eyes on issues. I think council needs a changeover," he said.

"I know that if I stayed I have something I can contribute. I can provide value, but other people can provide value too. Council was fine before me, council will be fine after me."

He's not saying exactly what he'd like to do next, but insists there's no job waiting for him.

"I know what I would like to do, but until that time that I secure that, there's no point to talk about it," Moffatt said. "All I'll say is, I really like municipal government."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ting-1.6255710
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"I know what I would like to do, but until that time that I secure that, there's no point to talk about it," Moffatt said. "All I'll say is, I really like municipal government."
In other words, Mayor. Just need Watson to give him the go-ahead.
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In other words, Mayor. Just need Watson to give him the go-ahead.
Will be very disappointed to have a Goulbourn resident as the mayor of Ottawa.
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Will be very disappointed to have a Goulbourn resident as the mayor of Ottawa.
Last time I checked a Goulbourn resident can be the Mayor. Technically you don't even have to live in the City. You just have to live in Ottawa or own property in the City of Ottawa.
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Last time I checked a Goulbourn resident can be the Mayor. Technically you don't even have to live in the City. You just have to live in Ottawa or own property in the City of Ottawa.
Of course he's allowed. It would be disappointing because it would drive Ottawa's priorities to be even more suburban/exurban. The power base of the Watson club is currently suburban, that will only continue with suburban growth outpacing urban.
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