Solving the Metro Vancouver Industrial Land Shortage? - Page 6

FarmerHaight · #**101** Posted **Oct 18, 2021, 3:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by SeymourDrake

I don't see why the COV and surrounding areas can't start going underground for warehouse space? You could literally build a underground highway for just industrial space.

Why not change farmland to multi use space. Farm on top, warehouses on the bottom underground.

Whats the deepest underground space in greater vancouver? Also whats the deepest developers are allowed to build?

Underground warehouses may address the supply issues, but would they help on the cost side? They sound very expensive to construct...

jollyburger · #**102** Posted **Oct 19, 2021, 12:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

Underground warehouses may address the supply issues, but would they help on the cost side? They sound very expensive to construct...

Yeah. it only makes sense when there is zero available industrial land to redevelop into warehouse. But then they'll just relocate to Calgary or somewhere.

Colin4567 · #**103** Posted **Oct 19, 2021, 1:01 AM**

Costs have already hit like $500+ per square foot for bought space and $15/psf for leased space. Can't imagine tunneling/etc would lower that. Plus many of the industrial areas are on ground that isn't necessarily 100% structurally sound or have water table conflicts (waterfront areas, low elevation areas) so I'm not seeing how this would work.

casper · #**104** Posted **Oct 19, 2021, 6:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

I stumbled upon the area in the spring by accident while out on a random drive, its pretty crazy all of a sudden you are in an area with massive warehouses and buildings with offices, restaurants etc. So much going on in that area.

don't forget this one. It is under construction out there. The China World Trade Centre. A development partnership by a China state-owned company and a local developer.

https://www.raphaeljohnpierre.com/bl...n+Surrey%2C+Bc

this is a more updated article of interest which also mentions the complex.
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...nts-with-china

Sounds similar to the one in Regina (that claims to be the first). https://www.thegtec.com/about/

Not certain about this one but the one in Regina sells small store spaces in the complex to families wanting to relocate from China and setup a Canadian import business. Some view it as a legitimate business enterprise, others as an immigration scam. As far as I can tell it is like shopping alibaba for wholesale products just instead of online you do it in real life in an industrial wholesale oriented mall.

hollywoodnorth · #**105** Posted **Oct 19, 2021, 6:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

I stumbled upon the area in the spring by accident while out on a random drive, its pretty crazy all of a sudden you are in an area with massive warehouses and buildings with offices, restaurants etc. So much going on in that area.

don't forget this one. It is under construction out there. The China World Trade Centre. A development partnership by a China state-owned company and a local developer.

https://www.raphaeljohnpierre.com/bl...n+Surrey%2C+Bc

this is a more updated article of interest which also mentions the complex.
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...nts-with-china

does anyone have an address for the The China World Trade Centre in Surrey? I cant seem to find one online myself.

jollyburger · #**106** Posted **Oct 19, 2021, 7:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

does anyone have an address for the The China World Trade Centre in Surrey? I cant seem to find one online myself.

I think they said 3450 192 St.

192nd Street/36th Avenue

https://www.surreynowleader.com/busi...-south-surrey/

hollywoodnorth · #**107** Posted **Oct 31, 2021, 9:32 AM**

speaking of multifloor industrial seems like Richmond has its first >>

First multi-floor industrial strata building launches in Richmond

https://biv.com/article/2020/03/firs...nches-richmond

https://vanguardstrata.com/location/

hollywoodnorth · #**108** Posted **Oct 31, 2021, 9:34 AM**

also

Metro Vancouver approves industrial use for South Campbell Heights

https://biv.com/article/2021/10/metr...mpbell-heights

fredinno · #**109** Posted **Oct 31, 2021, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

also

Metro Vancouver approves industrial use for South Campbell Heights

https://biv.com/article/2021/10/metr...mpbell-heights

Better Link:
http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards...Oct-29_AGE.pdf

My only real complaint is you could probably half the land taken for parkland. Not sure who's going to use the park, nor really that there's much to protect outside the Little Campbell River...

jollyburger · #**110** Posted **Oct 31, 2021, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by fredinno

Better Link:
http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards...Oct-29_AGE.pdf

My only real complaint is you could probably half the land taken for parkland. Not sure who's going to use the park, nor really that there's much to protect outside the Little Campbell River...

I think it's more of a buffer to future development than any actual usage of the land for park.

fredinno · #**111** Posted **Oct 31, 2021, 10:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

I think it's more of a buffer to future development than any actual usage of the land for park.

Well, the area is currently entirely forested...there's not much precedent to doing that sort of thing.

It was also there in the previous iteration of this plan (the one that was rejected because it was 60% residential: https://www.peacearchnews.com/news/c...pbell-heights/), but there's no justification then nor now beyond being a generic "critical biodiversity region."

The only thing I can think of is that maybe it's a swamp of some sort. Wouldn't be that strange, but confirming would likely require me to trudge though South Surrey forest for an hour or so.

I might... eventually. Eh. I'll come back here if I find anything.

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Either way, the most interesting part is that this may be precedent for similar rezoning in the much larger Salmon River Uplands, which is in a similar position to South Campbell Heights.
The residential plan was already rejected- and it's probably either mostly industrial or nothing for Langley.

jollyburger · #**112** Posted **Nov 11, 2021, 6:52 AM**

Video of that multi-level warehouse out at Riverbend

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Glotman Simpson is proud to be bringing Canada’s first large scale, multi-level industrial complex to Burnaby’s Riverbend Business Park.
This project is the largest of its kind in British Columbia. Designed using advanced engineering solutions, the 2-storey project comprises a massive 437,000 SF on the ground floor with 32-foot clear heights while the second storey, accessible to full-size transport trailers via a heated ramp, consists of 270,000 SF, with 28-foot clear heights and a 130-foot truck court with dock loading doors.

https://fb.watch/9ctOr6zxko/

officedweller · #**113** Posted **Nov 15, 2021, 1:35 AM**

Annacis Auto Terminal Expanding.
Richmond Auto Terminal (Riverport) closing.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/anna...expansion-port

hollywoodnorth · #**114** Posted **Nov 15, 2021, 3:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Annacis Auto Terminal Expanding.
Richmond Auto Terminal (Riverport) closing.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/anna...expansion-port

Interesting the Richmond Auto Terminal (Riverport) land is pretty prime for redevelopment to warehousing, etc.

madog222 · #**115** Posted **Nov 15, 2021, 7:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

Interesting the Richmond Auto Terminal (Riverport) land is pretty prime for redevelopment to warehousing, etc.

I know word on the street has always been Delta but it would't make a bad location for a cruise ship terminal.

fredinno · #**116** Posted **Nov 15, 2021, 3:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by madog222

I know word on the street has always been Delta but it would't make a bad location for a cruise ship terminal.

Always been Delta?

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Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

Interesting the Richmond Auto Terminal (Riverport) land is pretty prime for redevelopment to warehousing, etc.

New consolidated capacity: 480,000 vehicles
2019 utilization: 585,561 vehicles

????
Isn't this a decrease in capacity?
Unless Daily Hive got it wrong and are planning to keep Richmond Auto Terminal, the numbers don't add up.

FarmerHaight · #**117** Posted **Nov 15, 2021, 4:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by fredinno

New consolidated capacity: 480,000 vehicles
2019 utilization: 585,561 vehicles

????
Isn't this a decrease in capacity?

That's very strange, and a good catch by you.

Considering the two terminals are on pace to handle a combined 600k vehicles, you would think a reduction to 480k would be a non-starter.

GenWhy? · #**118** Posted **Nov 15, 2021, 5:25 PM**

Old BC Liqour distribution facility at Rupert will have a rezoning being taken in soon. Very similar application as the Marine Drive applications for rental, industrial, office.

jollyburger · #**119** Posted **Nov 15, 2021, 7:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Old BC Liqour distribution facility at Rupert will have a rezoning being taken in soon. Very similar application as the Marine Drive applications for rental, industrial, office.

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This project is located on the former BC Liquor Distribution Branch site on East Broadway in Vancouver and is co-owned by Musqueam, Squamish, and Tsleil-Waututh Nations and Aquilini Development.

https://aquilinidevelopment.com/comm...east-broadway/

hollywoodnorth · #**120** Posted **Nov 15, 2021, 11:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Old BC Liqour distribution facility at Rupert will have a rezoning being taken in soon. Very similar application as the Marine Drive applications for rental, industrial, office.

*crosses fingers for a Costco Business Location*

this would be a perfect site.