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Old Posted Nov 11, 2021, 7:17 PM
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https://urbanize.city/la/post/brookfield...sidential-tower-dtlas-bank-america-plaza

I've always said that the BOFA plaza could easily support 2-3 towers. It looks like it might get one at least. You guys know I never knew how to post pictures or proper links here lol.

Looks interesting. Reminds me of the Marina Towers in Chicago. The base is interesting but i'm sure that aspect will be taken out since we never get all that we really want in these projects.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2021, 7:51 PM
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34-story apartment tower slated for Bank of America Plaza on Bunker Hill

https://whatnowlosangeles.com/renderings...34-story-apartment-tower-in-bunker-hill/

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Old Posted Nov 11, 2021, 8:15 PM
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Wow. I am loving just about everything about this.

The architecture (if built as rendered) looks like it could have been a mid century icon and fits perfectly into greater Bunker Hill.

Adds more post 9-5 activity and residents to the business district to keep the transition from being just a CBD to a proper neighborhood.

The ground floor cafe spilling out into the plaza looks great and something missing from much of the business district.

And it keeps intact, what is for me, one of the coolest open spaces of all of Downtown LA with Bank of America plaza and the fountains spilling down into the lower level.

Only nit for me - I think the crown could be refined. The cantilevered base is A+ though (look how nice buildings can look without a podium attached!)











     
     
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2021, 10:03 PM
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^ Yeah I love the architecture, but I find it quite small among the massive buildings surrounding it.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2021, 11:16 PM
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Nice, it'll compliment the new Angel's landing development if that ever happens.

Did Onni's tower ever break ground like it was supposed to?
     
     
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What do you guys think about the chances of Olympia going through after the Evergrande situation in China and abroad? Unless they feel like DTLA is a safe investment during this time of uncertainty, I don't know...
     
     
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A beacon atop Wilshire Grand will be grand (no pun intended), similar to what the Transamerica Pyramid does for the holidays and special occasions. The tip of the spire isn't that bright anyway, let alone the spire not even lit up. Shoot, by the time it gets dark, the spine and sail of the Wilshire Grand isn't even turned on!
I guess it wouldn't be impossible to mount a rotating beacon atop the pointy spire. The beacon would probably be light enough to mount up there. I recall reading that there is enough room inside the spire with a ladder for workmen to climb up. Or the beacon could be mounted on a podium atop the "sail", below the spire. Either way, impressive.

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What do you guys think about the chances of Olympia going through after the Evergrande situation in China and abroad? Unless they feel like DTLA is a safe investment during this time of uncertainty, I don't know...
Considering the current China situation (financial, political) I think the era of massive Chinese investment in the U.S. is over for the foreseable future. Still plenty of U.S./Canadian/Korean/European investors to take up the slack, just like how others took up the slack when the Japanese developers pulled out in the early 1990s when their real estate/stock market plunged. I sure wish investors would take over Oceanwide from the Chinese, and complete it!

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Wow. I am loving just about everything about this.

The architecture (if built as rendered) looks like it could have been a mid century icon and fits perfectly into greater Bunker Hill.

Adds more post 9-5 activity and residents to the business district to keep the transition from being just a CBD to a proper neighborhood.

The ground floor cafe spilling out into the plaza looks great and something missing from much of the business district.

And it keeps intact, what is for me, one of the coolest open spaces of all of Downtown LA with Bank of America plaza and the fountains spilling down into the lower level.

Only nit for me - I think the crown could be refined. The cantilevered base is A+ though (look how nice buildings can look without a podium attached!)



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In the plat, looks like there is room for another residential tower in the adjacent space to the west (lower right in plat). I would advocate one of a different height, maybe 24 stories, but better yet 44 or 54. Asymmetry is more interesting to the eye. Maybe the second tower could be a hotel, or combo hotel/condo.

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What do you guys think about the chances of Olympia going through after the Evergrande situation in China and abroad? Unless they feel like DTLA is a safe investment during this time of uncertainty, I don't know...


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That and the apt tower proposed for the NE corner of 4th & Hill St are to me the two of the more important devlpts penciled in for dtla. The bofA apt tower on bunker hill is nice, but that area isn't as hurting for new devlpt the way the sites of the olympia & beacon projs are.

The olympia proj would sit on one of the most visible parcels of land in dt....I drove by it just the other day & it's right now mainly a sea of parking lots & scattering of power poles....not a great look for the area.

Unlike certain other projs, I believe the demand is there to support them once they're built & opened in 2-3 yrs. That goes double for the apt tower south of the grand central mkt since it's supposed to include affordable housing.

If they were office, hotel or retail space, I'd say otherwise.

the beacon proj on Hill st is on top of a red line station, so it's ideal for users of the MTA system. When the red line is extended to UCLA, that alone will ensure ready made tenants for the proj.

so how come funding is so iffy or hard to come by?

Office space in dt has been overbuilt for yrs, hotel rms are still unsure in a world where travel remains affected by covid, and brick & mortar shopping areas are risky. But occupancy rates for apts are fairly good in dt....so let's get going, ppl!



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Loving the proposed residential tower at Bank of America Plaza--the cafe and additional foot traffic would really help to activate the plaza.
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If 333 South Hope and the tower at the World Trade Center come to fruition, you'll have a much better street life in that area, where there is literally none now. I love the design of that tower. Pays homage to the crown of Library Tower while also being a nice nod to mid-century design as previously mentioned. I also like how it retains much of that plaza, which is a nice area.
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I like using high playback speed & fast forwarding through vids like this because I can get quick glimpses of ongoing changes to dtla, what still hasn't been improved or areas that are still waiting for start of proposed devlpt....

https://youtu.be/ebBhz16yGsI


Fig around the convention ctr used to be a big joke to the city, as rundown and lifeless as any area for tourists or conventioneers could be...now the addition of new apt bldgs & the replacement of the old hooters bldg is bringing it closer to where it should have always been....but the oceanwide proj remains a big gap.

The new apt tower going up on the corner of fig & 8th St is also filling in a parking lot that was there for way too many decades.

More work remains, however, such as the completion of the transit projs & other new devlpt.....but dtla is slowly but surely finally becoming a part of the city....no longer LA's hole in the doughnut.

however, I watched a new vid showing the century city shopping ctr and there were quite a few ppl out & about. by contrast, when I see certain vids of the macy's ctr in dtla, way fewer visitors or shoppers are visible....the macys itself in a vid shot this wk had almost no customers in it. So dt still needs to add to its population base.

EDIT: This has aerial views of dt & other areas in LA, including the playa vista proj on the land formerly owned by howard hughes....it shows how dt has filled in various gaps, but that many parking lots & small warehouse type bldgs still remain. That's very apparent in dt's eastern side.

It also makes me realize if more of central la had been nicely put together over 60 yrs ago, not as many ppl would have wanted to escape to the burbs starting in the 1940s & 1950s.

It wasn't just fwys or the arrival of cars that hurt dtla....it was because too much of dt wasn't developed more along the lines of where it is is today or that areas south of dt weren't more like newer devlpts similar to playa vista or older hoods like pasadena.

the fact that various supposed experts in urban planning have missed that key point has always puzzled me. Also a person who told me over 15 yrs ago that because dtla wasn't next to the ocean, it lost its edge overlooked the fact that pasadena, which is even further inland than dtla is, has done fairly well over the past 70 yrs.


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Snapped this pic of the back side of the Grand Ave project. This (the Olive Street) side of the base is really cheap looking. That huge blank wall, total lack of interaction with the street, fortress effect...not good. I don't mind the Grand Ave side of it, though I agree with others here who say the base materials are lacking.

Mural, mural on the wall???
     
     
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It was restored and reinstalled in 2001, and for a number of years, it would be on during the holiday season. They haven't turned it on for quite a number of years now, and I don't know why.
It was on in Dec. 2016:

     
     
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That BofA residential tower reminds me of that new century city twin tower. I like the non rectangle shape.
     
     
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Decided today to mosey on downtown and check out the Grand Avenue Project and it's material usage. I was very curious to find out if I was mistaken or not concerning the use of stucco around the retail portion. As it turns out, I was unfortunately correct.



Here you can see the two materials used on the base. The lighter, almost stone-like material on the right is the precast concrete. On the yellower material on the left is stucco.



Here's a closer photo of the two materials. The precast concrete is honestly fine. It has a weightier permanence that the stucco lacks.



This damaged section of the corner of the base confirms that the yellower material is stucco. Though it's hard to make out since I was taking these photos with my iPhone from the other side of the barricade, grey unpainted stucco and the metal mesh used to mount(?) the stucco is visible.



The stucco is also visible in these holes where I would imagine are awaiting the instillation of some control panel or key code lock.

The portion of the base immediately fronting Disney Hall is fine. Nothing astounding, but there is a moderate level of pedestrian oriented detailing and streetscaping. It almost feels like an above average project you would find in Calabasas or Encino. The material usage is incredibly mediocre, but hell, at least there are windows. I can't say this about the remaining three sides of the base. They are bare and imposing in a manner I thought we would never see in downtown again. I'm reminded of the insular fortresses built in the 70s and 80s that have so destroyed the pedestrian activity of Bunker Hill.



This type of design should be totally unacceptable. I wish I got photos of the other two sides so you could see just how bad they are, but I was unfortunately in a hurry.



The tower itself looks okay, but I'd always rather have a mediocre tower with a well thought out connection to the pedestrian realm then what we have now. And by god, if we are gonna build an imposing blank wall to front the sidewalk, then I wish it was at least constructed of something other than beige stucco!
     
     
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Mural, mural on the wall???
I have an idea. Mural of famous conductors of L.A. Phil. over the years, or better yet, famous composers, from Bach to Bernstein. Of course Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms in the middle. Or just be a little more bold with the colors. Solid beige, boring. How about a different bold color for each panel? The bold red, green, blue like the Pacific Design Center? Colors spice up life.

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It was on in Dec. 2016:

Does the beacon rotate like the one on the Eiffel Tower? Those are the best, with a shaft of light if the FAA will allow it.
     
     
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The large, boxy blank section in the east corner was meant to be a luxury movie theater and all those blank walls were supposed to have protruding structures with the movie billboards covering the facade. Still, not great to have zero windows out facing the street but there was some idea of how that blank wall was supposed to work, but apparently the movie theater was scuttled very early into construction and so they just....built it that way anyway.
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