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Old Posted Nov 9, 2021, 4:28 AM
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Collision in maintenance yard won't slow return of LRT: city official

The collision occurred when one train car was towing another in the yard as part of regular maintenance.

Author of the article:Staff Reporter
Publishing date:Nov 08, 2021

A collision between two light-rail train cars in the city’s maintenance and storage facility yard on Monday will not affect the O-Train Line 1’s return to service plan, city officials have been assured.

There were no injuries in the incident that occurred at about 10:30 a.m. Monday.

In a memo to the mayor, members of council and the transit commission, chief transit safety officer Brandon Richards said the collision occurred when one train car was towing another in the yard as part of regular maintenance. During movement, the two cars came into contact with each other, resulting in damage to the windshield glass, wipers and exterior panels of both. One car also sustained damage to its coupler.

An investigation into the extent of damage and cause began immediately. The Transportation Safety Board also completed an assessment after being called in by the city.

City council and the transit commission will be updated with any resulting issues or recommendations, Richards said.

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Old Posted Nov 9, 2021, 11:04 PM
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LRT on track for return Friday as council prepares to debate calling a judicial inquiry
City manager Steve Kanellakos told council in a memo on Tuesday that a seven-train LRT service should be available on Friday.

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Nov 09, 2021 • 15 minutes ago • 4 minute read


On the eve of a meeting where council members will decide if there should be a judicial inquiry into the troubled LRT program, officials announced the Confederation Line is on track to restart operations on Friday.

City manager Steve Kanellakos told council in a memo on Tuesday that a seven-train LRT service should be available on Friday, pending a final day of testing and sign-off by consultant Transportation Resource Associations (TRA).

More Alstom Citadis Spirit trains will incrementally join the system over November and full LRT service could be restored by the end of the month, according to Kanellakos.

“The past two days of end-to-end service testing have been positive,” Kanellakos said in the memo, while warning council that “we expect that issues will arise” when the trains are running again.

“The City and our transit customers expect these issues will be addressed quickly and efficiently by (Rideau Transit Group),” Kannellakos said.

The R1 replacement buses will still run during partial LRT service. Kanellakos said staff will assess if R1 service can be reduced based on ridership levels. OC Transpo will have an update next week.

Meanwhile, council on Wednesday is set to debate calling a judicial inquiry into the shaky LRT program.

More than 1,000 people have signed a petition calling for a judicial inquiry into LRT and several councillors are on board with the idea, but the campaign has lacked the integral factor to make politicians flinch: heavy external influence.

There will be support around the council table to call a judicial inquiry, but likely not enough to win the day.

For those gunning for a judicial inquiry, the ammo they really need is vocal support from a major local organization outside city hall.

Coun. Catherine McKenney, who authored the judicial inquiry motion, said they haven’t received any formal support from organizations like business groups, labour groups or community associations, but the councillor noted they have received 110 emails from residents across the city. On top of that, 1,135 people had signed a petition as of Tuesday morning.

The umbrella group of Ottawa’s most politically astute community advocates hasn’t weighed in, either. The Federation of Citizens’ Associations hasn’t had the opportunity to discuss the matter with members, so the organization hasn’t taken a position.

However, grassroots organizations Horizon Ottawa and Ottawa Transit Riders back McKenney’s proposal.

Mayor Jim Watson opposes a judicial inquiry and last month he helped convince the majority of council to instead support a request for an investigation by the auditor general with a 14-9 vote.

McKenney’s judicial inquiry motion is back on the table on Wednesday because it was never put to a vote.

A judicial inquiry, which the city has warned could cost up to $20 million, can explore political involvement in decisions, but a municipal AG investigation can’t go there.

The LRT system has been out of order since Sept. 19.

The city and council members are trying to build public confidence in the LRT system but they keep getting kneecapped by maintenance flubs, like loose bolts holding train pieces together, train wheels developing cracks or train collisions off the main line.

Two train cars crashed in the maintenance yard on Monday , damaging both vehicles. That alone won’t stop the LRT system’s return to service, staff told council.

It’s been unclear how much the other levels of governments care about the LRT problems in Ottawa, even though each has paid $600 million into the $2.1-billion construction contract, plus billions more for the Stage 2 expansion.

NDP MPP Joel Harden has pushed the governing Progressive Conservatives to call for Ontario’s auditor general to investigate, but the province has shown mixed signals about its interest in Ottawa’s LRT troubles.

First, Premier Doug Ford appeared at an event in Ottawa and voiced support for the city’s ability to sort out the LRT mess on its own . About a week later, the Ontario Ministry of Transportation wrote to city hall brass asking for assurances that the problems are being addressed , even threatening to hold back a $60-million payment for the Stage 1 project.

City AG Nathalie Gougeon said she would consider investigating the LRT program as part of an upcoming two-year audit work plan, but council might not learn her intentions until the end of the month. The next audit committee meeting, where the AG work plan would be first presented, is scheduled for Dec. 3.

Even then, it’s not clear if the draft AG budget for 2022 would allow for a proper LRT probe, on top of other scheduled audits.

Gougeon has suggested an investigation into LRT could cost as much as $1 million, but the 2022 AG budget proposed by the city would only provide an extra $336,000, mostly to cover salary increases and two additional staff.

Council on Wednesday could double-up on LRT investigations and order a judicial inquiry while continuing to ask the AG to launch her own LRT probe.

In reality, the AG motion was the escape hatch for council members who didn’t want a judicial inquiry.

While McKenney and their supporters might not get a judicial inquiry, they have succeeded in convincing council, maybe begrudgingly, that elected members need to do something to address the LRT controversy.

Taxpayers paid for 17 double-car trains as part of Stage 1 LRT. Fifteen trains are supposed to provide peak-hour service.

If a full LRT system is available by Dec. 1, the city could be in a position to offer free fares on across the Transpo network in December, as directed by city council. City management hasn’t yet confirmed if it can go ahead with free transit next month.

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Old Posted Nov 10, 2021, 11:14 PM
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Council votes against judicial inquiry into glitchy LRT program

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Nov 10, 2021 • 1 hour ago • 3 minute read


Council on Wednesday voted 13-10 against calling a judicial inquiry into the blemished LRT program, while the city’s auditor general indicated her investigation could produce a first report by next June, just months before the next municipal election.

Coun. Catherine McKenney, who sponsored the motion to call a judicial inquiry, tried to convince colleagues that a judge-led hearing into the glitchy LRT file was the most transparent method to uncover problems and restore the public’s faith in the Confederation Line.

“Sometimes you need a judge, sometimes you need an accountant,” McKenney said, “and in this particular case, we need a judge.”

But most of council, including Mayor Jim Watson, felt confident that a veteran chartered professional accountant can handle the LRT probe.

City auditor general Nathalie Gougeon said her office’s work plan, which will be tabled in December, will include an audit into the LRT program with two main components. She said one would look into the contract award, construction and launch of the LRT system, and another would focus on operations and maintenance.

The majority of council last month voted in favour of asking Gougeon to consider including an audit into LRT as part of her two-year work plan.

Gougeon said her office has been working since then on a plan for the LRT investigation.

Council was largely directed away from having both an audit and a judicial inquiry into the LRT.

City manager Steve Kanellakos said an audit would eat up significant staff time, which would be compounded by a judicial inquiry. According to Kanellakos, recent litigation over the Rideau Street sinkhole alone produced a significant number of documents.

Kanellakos said an ongoing study by the firm Mott MacDonald, ordered by the city’s external lawyer as part of the legal wrangling with Rideau Transit Group, might produce the most comprehensive review of the LRT system.

John Mascarin, a municipal law expert outside of Ottawa retained by city staff to provide independent advice to council, recommended that the city not hold both an audit and a judicial inquiry into a matter, considering the amount of resources that would be required.

Council members who voted against a judicial inquiry struggled with how a judge-led investigation, which could cost up to $20 million in municipal funds, could uncover more information than an audit.

The auditor general can interview council members but not investigate allegations of wrongdoing against them.

In answering questions from Coun. Shawn Menard, Mascarin said a judicial inquiry is usually reserved for a large complex issue requiring a spotlight to uncover things that have gone wrong. Mascarin agreed that a judicial inquiry, which is usually a hearing open to the public, conveys a sense of magnitude.

The auditor general investigation will happen behind closed doors. Gougeon said her office is working on ways to make the process more transparent to the public. The first report on a multi-part audit could be available to the public by June 2022, she said.

The next municipal election is in October 2022.

While the auditor general investigation is expected to cost much less than a judicial inquiry, there hasn’t been a definite cost attached to the work.

The Confederation Line is scheduled to restart operations on Friday with a reduced fleet of Alstom Citadis Spirit trains. More trains are expected to be added to the service throughout the month.

Council members voting against a judicial inquiry were Allan Hubley, Keith Egli, Glen Gower, Tim Tierney, Jean Cloutier, Jan Harder, Eli El-Chantiry, Matthew Luloff, Scott Moffatt, George Darouze, Catherine Kitts, Laura Dudas and Watson.

Voting in favour of a judicial inquiry were Mathieu Fleury, Diane Deans, Rawlson King, Shawn Menard, Jeff Leiper, Theresa Kavanagh, Rick Chiarelli, Riley Brockington, Carol Anne Meehan and McKenney.

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Old Posted Nov 10, 2021, 11:18 PM
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LRT will be good to go Friday, city manager says
Testing on the main line has been running smooth in recent days, Steve Kanellakos said Wednesday. Partial service resumes Friday.

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Nov 10, 2021 • 16 minutes ago • 1 minute read


Seven-train LRT service is good to go for Friday morning.

City manager Steve Kanellakos said Wednesday that the city’s return-to-service consultant, Transportation Resource Associates (TRA), had given the go-ahead to start partial LRT service.

The LRT has been closed since Sept. 19, when an Alstom Citadis Spirit train derailed near Tremblay Station.

Testing on the main line has been running smooth in recent days, Kanellakos said.

The LRT system has been running a mock service in preparation for the return of customers.

The city expects full LRT service will return by the end of November as more trains are added to the inspected fleet. Stage 1 LRT has 17 double-car trains, with 15 trains providing service at peak times.

TRA is sticking around to monitor the return to service.

Kanellakos said he expected OC Transpo management to indicate by the end of the week if there would be free transit fares in December, as directed by council. Management has the option of delaying the free transit month if it feels the city needs more time.

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Councillors maintain support for AG probe despite province hinting at judicial review
Thirteen of 23 councillors voted against calling a judicial inquiry. They preferred a review of the LRT program by city auditor general Nathalie Gougeon.

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Nov 11, 2021 • 30 minutes ago • 4 minute read


The possibility of the province paying the eight-figure cost of a judicial inquiry isn’t enough to convince city councillors that a judge-led investigation is the best way to dig into Ottawa’s shaky LRT program.

“At this point, I believe the provincial government is exploring their options, so I am not convinced they will choose to do a full judicial review for all the same reasons we decided not to do so,” Coun. Allan Hubley, chair of the transit commission, said on Thursday.

“Basing a review on allegations without merit or substance is like trusting Twitter for your local news.”

The city administration was blindsided by the Progressive Conservative government’s criticism of council’s decision on Wednesday not to call a judicial inquiry. Worried about the city’s ability to continue the LRT expansion, a spokesperson for Transportation Minister Caroline Mulroney said the government was looking for options to increase oversight, including a judicial inquiry.

The province is paying $600 million into Stage 1 LRT — which restarts with partial service on Friday after being out of order since Sept. 19 — and $1.2 billion for Stage 2.

The city will eventually come knocking at Queen’s Park for more money to pay for at least half the cost of Stage 3.

Thirteen of 23 councillors voted against calling a judicial inquiry. They preferred a review of the LRT program by city auditor general Nathalie Gougeon.

Council has heard that a judicial inquiry could cost between $10 million and $20 million and the price tag has been cited several times in arguments against a judge-led investigation.

Hubley, who voted against a judicial review, wasn’t worried about the Conservative government’s concerns.

“The premier is doing the right thing for the people of Ontario by looking at options,” Hubley said. “He is making sure the taxpayer is protected and that we have a reliable and safe transit system in Ottawa. I share those priorities and know our mayor does, too. Frankly, I am happy we have a provincial government that supports transit investment in Ottawa and is there to support us in resolving the current issues and do not view this news as negative at all.”

Other councillors who voted against a judicial review also maintained their positions that a local audit was a better approach, even if the province would pay for a judicial review.

“While the cost of any potential judicial inquiry needs be considered, that wasn’t the primary consideration for me,” Coun. Jan Harder said.

“I want a solid investigation that, once completed, will instil confidence in our ridership and all taxpayers that the LRT is safe and reliable. The auditor general’s report will deliver that in the timeliest fashion. If more is required, we can take that step.”

Coun. Laura Dudas says she isn’t opposed to a judicial inquiry, but she prefers an auditor general investigation since the AG would have full access to documents protected by solicitor-client privilege, plus quickly warn the city about any issues as it builds Stage 2 and plans Stage 3.

“If there are problems with Stage 1 design, it is already built, and we know that a (judicial inquiry) report would not be completed in time to inform Stage 2 work,” Dudas said. “However, it is not surprising that the Ontario government would also want to ensure that any errors are not repeated in other cities, especially as the province is a major funding partner in these transit projects across Ontario.”

Coun. Eli El-Chantiry said he was concerned about a possible $20-million hit to property taxpayers for a judicial inquiry, in addition to the length of time it would take to hear evidence and produce a report.

El-Chantiry expressed support for the city auditor general and her ability to recommend a different investigation, if necessary, but he doesn’t want a judicial inquiry and audit happening at the same time on the same subject.

“I believe it would be duplication,” El-Chantiry said. “We heard how much staff time and resources we need for those investigations.”

Though costly, a judicial inquiry might be the option that provides the most wide-ranging and transparent investigation.

As a requester, the provincial government would pay the costs of a judicial inquiry into Ottawa LRT.

There are other investigative avenues available at the provincial level.

The Ontario auditor general, who is independent from the provincial government, is largely tasked with scrutinizing government spending. The office could investigate LRT and make recommendations to make sure provincial taxpayers are getting value for their money, or determine if the city spent provincial money for reasons originally intended.

The Ontario Ombudsman could decide to look into a complaint about Ottawa LRT or launch a probe on his own, but the office can’t investigate politicians and private businesses. Municipal governments must cooperate with investigations launched by the ombudsman. A group of Ottawa councillors called on the ombudsman to investigate LRT in 2020 .

At the municipal level, city council has the auditor general, Gougeon, and an integrity commissioner, Karen Shepherd, as independent investigators.

The AG makes sure the city is responsibly managing public funds. The integrity commissioner oversees the conduct and ethical behaviour of council and board members, makes sure meetings aren’t inappropriately closed to the public and polices the lobbyist registry.

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Old Posted Nov 12, 2021, 12:46 PM
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Ottawa's LRT returns to service today, after nearly 2 months off the rails
Confederation Line was without service after derailment on Sept. 19

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Posted: Nov 12, 2021 6:50 AM ET | Last Updated: 1 hour ago


Ottawa's light rail system returned to partial service on Friday morning after a prolonged closure.

It was out of service for nearly two months — one month, 23 days, 16 hours and 30 minutes to be exact — after a train derailed before entering Tremblay Station on Sept. 19.

Seven trains plus a spare were given the OK for Friday by the Philadelphia-based firm Transportation Resource Associates (TRA), which the City of Ottawa contracted to assess the return-to-service plan for the Confederation Line.

The R1 replacement bus service is still running and will continue to run until city staff deems the ridership numbers no longer justify them.

The plan is for the number of active trains to slowly increase, with full service expected by the end of the month.

TRA will continue to review the rollout of a full return. It is also developing an ongoing monitoring plan to complement OC Transpo's, the city's manager Steve Kallenakos said in a memo earlier this week.

In its report on what caused the September derailment, the Transportation Safety Board found that protocols were not being properly followed by staff at the maintenance yard and recommended more careful oversight.

Beyond the day-to-day processes, the province is considering its own review of the LRT after the city voted down a judicial inquiry into the project.

This would be in addition to the audit Nathalie Gougeon, the city's auditor general, will undertake.

Gougeon is expected to look into the process that led to the city's contract with Rideau Transit Group to design, build and maintain the Confederation Line.

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Old Posted Nov 12, 2021, 9:43 PM
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Reactions on Ottawa LRT struggles differ sharply between federal Liberals and Ontario PCs

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Nov 12, 2021 • 40 minutes ago • 4 minute read


They both paid $600 million into Ottawa’s first phase of LRT, and together billions more for an expansion project, but the federal Liberal government isn’t showing the same level of distress about the struggling rail system as Ontario’s Progressive Conservative government.

For the Stage 1 LRT, the city inked contribution agreements with both the federal Ministry of Transport and the Ontario Ministry of Transportation.

The provincial government is now toying with the idea of launching an investigation, possibly a judicial inquiry, into Ottawa’s LRT program after city council voted 13-10 this week against requesting a judge-led probe in favour of asking the municipal auditor general to investigate.

The federal government, however, wasn’t voicing similar angst on Friday.

“Our government is committed to protecting all Canadians who live and work along rail lines by putting in place the necessary measures to reduce the risk of serious accidents,” according to a statement sent by Allison St-Jean, press secretary for Transport Minister Omar Alghabra.

“As part of the City’s process to resume service, they developed an action plan with short and long term initiatives to improve rail safety, including addressing the concerns raised by the Transportation Safety Board. Investing in major public transit infrastructure strengthens communities, helps more Canadians to move around their communities from access to modern public transit systems, ensures good jobs today, while charting a path to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050. Investments in projects like these marks another step forward for smart public transit funding that delivers triple bottom line results: jobs and economic growth, a cleaner environment, and more inclusive communities.”

The tone is in stark contrast to the statement sent by Ontario Transportation Minister Caroline Mulroney’s spokesperson this week .

The province said it’s “looking at options that will increase the province’s oversight of the project in an effort to protect taxpayers and transit riders. This may include a judicial inquiry, a review by Ontario’s Auditor General and further measures that may require provincial legislation.”

The provincial government has more direct oversight of municipalities than the federal government, though the LRT contribution agreements between the city and both upper levels of government required regular reports from the city during the construction period and reports after construction ended.

The 12.5-kilometre Stage 1 system restarted service on Friday with seven trains on the line after it shut down on Sept. 19 because of a second derailment in as many months. Full LRT service is on track to be ready by the end of the month, according to the city.

The construction contract with Rideau Transit Group (RTG) was worth $2.1 billion, with $4 million to $5 million per month paid to the consortium for maintenance. On top of that, the city is paying $115 million in contingency expenses, such as legal fees related to contract disputes with RTG.

The Ontario PC government’s scrutiny, coming months before a provincial election, could lead to a decision by cabinet as early as next week about ensuring the credibility of the Ottawa LRT program.

There are two Ottawa cabinet ministers in the provincial government: Nepean MPP Lisa MacLeod, the minister of heritage, sport, tourism and culture industries, and Kanata-Carleton MPP Merrilee Fullerton, minister of children, community and social services.

Asked for MacLeod’s position, it was Mulroney’s office who responded on Friday with the same statement sent by the transportation minister’s office on Wednesday, reflecting the “government’s position.”

In a statement sent through her constituency office, Fullerton didn’t express interest in the province launching an LRT investigation.

“Kanata is a growing community, and we must ensure that our public transit has the ability to get people where they need to go safely and reliably,” Fullerton said.

“I am confident that this important and pressing issue will be properly addressed by the City.”

LRT doesn’t go to Kanata, but the city wants to eventually extend the Confederation Line to the western suburb in a Stage 3 project, which isn’t funded and will require provincial and federal money. The city also wants Stage 3 to include an LRT extension through Nepean and into Barrhaven.

The second phase of O-Train expansion is ongoing.

The $4.6-billion Stage 2 project has two construction groups: Kiewit and Vinci are expanding the Confederation Line under the name East-West Connectors, and SNC-Lavalin is expanding the Trillium Line under the name TransitNEXT.

RTG will continue to maintain the Confederation Line under its 30-year maintenance contract with the city, while SNC-Lavalin is contracted to maintain the Trillium Line for 27 years.

The provincial government is paying about $1.2 billion for construction of Stage 2 and the federal government is paying $1.1 billion. The rest is covered by the city.

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LRT might actually work. Now we need to sell the idea again

Kelly Egan, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Nov 12, 2021 • 25 minutes ago • 3 minute read


The city’s light-rail system worked beautifully Friday.

I realize that sentence may not age well, may turn totally false in the time it takes to yell “wheels off at Tremblay Station,” may even be wrong by the time you read this.

But engage us the fantasy. On our trip downtown, the trains were super clean, the doors worked properly, the seats were comfy, the ride was smooth, the gear box held and all the bolts, we’re fairly sure, were tighter than Scrooge’s wallet on Christmas Eve.

Give the city credit for timing. It relaunched on the Friday after a government holiday, in the rain, when the passenger load was quite light and the R1 safety net was still operating in parallel. It meant, mid-morning, some of the trains were nearly empty, a good practice run for idle equipment.

On a dreary sidewalk outside the Rideau Station, we met Dylan (“just like Bob”) Arbour who does something very brainy with a computer company in Chinatown.

(“I work in a different type of engineering where everything is broken all the time,” he said, expressing sympathy for the designers of a train system so complex it can essentially drive itself.)

He said something that, in retrospect, is illuminating for anyone who lives in the city hall bubble where the sun never comes out, the trains are always broken and the whinging never ends.

“I’m pretty positive about the future and the direction it is going in,” he said, about to take the five-minute train ride to work. “I’m glad that it’s back. It’s pretty exciting,” he added, about to disappear down the escalator.

“I’m gonna go ride that train.”

See, there it is. There are people in the city, and lots of them — probably the majority — who like the LRT system, see it as a positive for the capital, and have some confidence it will eventually operate smoothly.

And his remarks underline something else. Ottawa’s LRT system has never really had a champion and, boy, does it need one now.

(I think of Andy Haydon’s enthusiasm for buses, a keenness so great he would happily demonstrate he could drive the things himself.)

It’s simple things, like this: I asked the city Thursday to line someone up to talk about how the relaunch went, 54 days after the whole system shut down after an alarming derailment on Sept. 19.

By Friday afternoon? No one, not a single person available to talk about GOOD news connected with LRT. I mean, it’s a terrible thing when an organization can’t even sell its own successes anymore, however small.

(As for lack of a champion, former transit boss John Manconi was forced into snippy, defensive mode too often, politicians don’t like messy problems they can’t fix, and the new OC Transpo boss is just that — too new.)

Why does LRT need an evangelist? Simple answer: to build ridership, to restore confidence. Passenger levels on the train dropped a shocking 80 to 90 per cent when the pandemic struck and it will take a persuasive campaign to get the bulk of riders back.

And not just back to pre-pandemic levels, but better than that.

I mean, look at the west end of Ottawa at the moment. The city is literally ripping itself apart to build Phase 2, which is costing more than twice as much as Phase 1 ($2.2 billion versus $4.6 billion).

Passengers? There damn well better be passengers or else the city is committing the biggest infrastructure mistake in its 156-year history.

So I’m not sure if it will take Daniel Alfredsson in an engineer’s uniform or free BeaverTails every Friday, but OC Transpo better be thinking about how to leverage the remaining goodwill about LRT and get people keen on riding the rails.

Because the goodwill, believe it or not, is still out there.

“I can kind of empathize, I guess, with the amount of stuff that can go wrong and try to stay positive about the stuff that goes right,” said our new friend Dylan, “like Bob.”

Stuff that goes right, like Friday, when the trains were all on time and the sun finally broke through the grey afternoon, like a late dawn.

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Looks like Alstom isnt just the problem in Ottawa. Seems like the Montreal REM trains from Alstom are 🞵🞵🞵🞵 too (article in French)

Défauts, risques de blessures : les trains du REM ne sont « pas au niveau attendu »

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Looks like Alstom isnt just the problem in Ottawa. Seems like the Montreal REM trains from Alstom are 🞵🞵🞵🞵 too (article in French)

Défauts, risques de blessures : les trains du REM ne sont « pas au niveau attendu »

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All will be redone in 50 years and put underground. RCMP should be investigating this idiocy, financial crimes unit. Sharp turns, overground, highway medium, lemon cheap trains. Cheap rails. Any snow, the pentagram starts to skip on wires, frying conduits all the times. Sharp turns - all wheels cracked, axels bended and are done, bearings too. All trains effected. Cars should not be operational at all, until all lines will be put underground and lines straighten with new blueprints to connect dense areas. Watson bought expensive properties all over the world, others also got kick backs from Alstom too. A lot of people should go to jail over this. It is a nightmare.
     
     
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Defects, risk of injury: REM trains are "not at the expected level"
Patches are needed on dozens of cars made in India to ensure safety.


Thomas Gerbet
Mathiew Leiser
Alexis Gacon

4:00 am | Updated at 12:22 p.m.

The first Metropolitan Express Network (REM) cars delivered to Quebec, from India, have defects and "obvious quality issues", raising fears of a "potential risk of injury" for passengers, has learned Radio- Canada. In a letter addressed to the consortium formed by Alstom and SNC-Lavalin, the CEO of CDPQ Infra, promoter of the REM, worries and denounces a multitude of non-conformities on cars already manufactured.

From the dressing to the finish, including the assembly and the electrical wiring of the cars, the CEO Jean-Marc Arbaud deplores in the document dated September 7 a breach of the principles and good practices of manufacturing trains. The product delivered is simply not of the expected level.

The letter was addressed to Éric Appert, director of the consortium known as the Groupe des Partenaires pour la Mobilité des Montréalais, following summary inspections carried out in Brossard.

The defects observed could affect the quality of the service that will be offered to REM passengers in terms of reliability, comfort, quality and, in certain cases, present a potential risk of injury to passengers.

A quote from: Jean-Marc Arbaud, CEO of CDPQ Infra, responsible for the realization of the MER in a letter addressed to the consortium.

In the photos attached to the letter, we discover welding problems on the bars held by the passengers. A train access door is poorly fitted and dented. Electric wires are poorly protected or even damaged.

Problems raised for months

The CEO wonders about the general quality of the manufacture and assembly of the trains at the site in Sri City, India. He adds that 30% of cars are already manufactured, so there is a growing risk of a significant build-up of fixes.

The situation worries him all the more since the problems had already been reported to Alstom several months ago. However, the fixes have not been made in the Indian factory and the defects are still detected, writes Jean-Marc Arbaud.

He adds that he is concerned about these conclusions, which clearly demonstrate a breach that does not respect the contract or good practices in the field, according to him.

It seems that Sri City's quality criteria are not up to those expected by REM.

A quote from: Jean-Marc Arbaud, CEO of CDPQ Infra, responsible for the realization of the MER in a letter addressed to the consortium.

This is one more tile falling on the REM project, which has already been delayed several times. The cost of the project has also climbed, partly because of the pandemic and the increase in the cost of materials. The first phase will cost at least $ 7 billion.

Alstom was chosen over Bombardier in the award of the contract. But there is no assurance that the Quebec manufacturer - which has since been swallowed up by Alstom - had the trains manufactured at its La Pocatière plant, since it also has facilities in Asia.

CPDQ Infra received the very first cars in October 2020. Alstom’s plant in Sri City is expected to produce 212. Each train will consist of two self-propelled cars. The parts come from Indian suppliers.

Workers paid $ 2 an hour

In 2018, Radio-Canada revealed that Alstom workers in Sri City earned $ 2 an hour with a more intense production rate than in Quebec, where a welder earns an hourly wage of around $ 30.

A company executive then assured that when you transfer technology from one country to another, you also transfer the culture of quality and the culture of the product.

The REM is convinced to turn the tide

There is a trend that is taking hold on certain elements of the production chain and we would like this to be corrected, confirms the director of communications of CDPQ Infra, Jean-Vincent Lacroix.

Project managers are, however, very confident that the rectifications will be made by Alstom and the spokesperson assures us that at this time, nothing major has been detected that could worry us for the rest, for the commissioning.

In the percentages of cars that we have received, anything that has been marked can be corrected and it will be corrected. We are also confident about the rest of the rolling stock.

A quote from: Jean-Vincent Lacroix, spokesperson for the REM

The fact that we have alerts like this, several months before commissioning, shows that we are extremely rigorous both in our expectations and in our inspections, he explains.

Same reassuring speech from Alstom, who claims to have put in place a detailed and planned action plan in response to this letter.

The manufacturer, who bears the cost of the fixes, argues that this is precisely the purpose of testing to modify or correct elements.

Alstom’s teams are keen to provide a high-performance, high-quality network, and everything is in place to achieve this, replied Adrien Vernhes, company spokesperson for the Americas.

The builder and the promoter assure that the project schedule will be respected. The first departures are scheduled for summer 2022 on the Rive-Sud branch.

At a press conference in Shawinigan, Quebec Premier François Legault said he was embarrassed about the REM trains. The quality isn't there, he blurted out.

He wished there was more Quebec content in REM cars, rather than following the lowest price rule.

At the same time, Mr. Legault accused the former Liberal government of Philippe Couillard of having let the Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec select the lowest bidder.

Mr. Legault's goal, in future projects, is for there to be as much Quebec content as possible.
     
     
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Defects, risk of injury: REM trains are "not at the expected level"
Patches are needed on dozens of cars made in India to ensure safety.


Thomas Gerbet
Mathiew Leiser
Alexis Gacon

4:00 am | Updated at 12:22 p.m.

The first Metropolitan Express Network (REM) cars delivered to Quebec, from India, have defects and "obvious quality issues", raising fears of a "potential risk of injury" for passengers, has learned Radio- Canada. In a letter addressed to the consortium formed by Alstom and SNC-Lavalin, the CEO of CDPQ Infra, promoter of the REM, worries and denounces a multitude of non-conformities on cars already manufactured.

From the dressing to the finish, including the assembly and the electrical wiring of the cars, the CEO Jean-Marc Arbaud deplores in the document dated September 7 a breach of the principles and good practices of manufacturing trains. The product delivered is simply not of the expected level.

The letter was addressed to Éric Appert, director of the consortium known as the Groupe des Partenaires pour la Mobilité des Montréalais, following summary inspections carried out in Brossard.

The defects observed could affect the quality of the service that will be offered to REM passengers in terms of reliability, comfort, quality and, in certain cases, present a potential risk of injury to passengers.

A quote from: Jean-Marc Arbaud, CEO of CDPQ Infra, responsible for the realization of the MER in a letter addressed to the consortium.

In the photos attached to the letter, we discover welding problems on the bars held by the passengers. A train access door is poorly fitted and dented. Electric wires are poorly protected or even damaged.

Problems raised for months

The CEO wonders about the general quality of the manufacture and assembly of the trains at the site in Sri City, India. He adds that 30% of cars are already manufactured, so there is a growing risk of a significant build-up of fixes.

The situation worries him all the more since the problems had already been reported to Alstom several months ago. However, the fixes have not been made in the Indian factory and the defects are still detected, writes Jean-Marc Arbaud.

He adds that he is concerned about these conclusions, which clearly demonstrate a breach that does not respect the contract or good practices in the field, according to him.

It seems that Sri City's quality criteria are not up to those expected by REM.

A quote from: Jean-Marc Arbaud, CEO of CDPQ Infra, responsible for the realization of the MER in a letter addressed to the consortium.

This is one more tile falling on the REM project, which has already been delayed several times. The cost of the project has also climbed, partly because of the pandemic and the increase in the cost of materials. The first phase will cost at least $ 7 billion.

Alstom was chosen over Bombardier in the award of the contract. But there is no assurance that the Quebec manufacturer - which has since been swallowed up by Alstom - had the trains manufactured at its La Pocatière plant, since it also has facilities in Asia.

CPDQ Infra received the very first cars in October 2020. Alstom’s plant in Sri City is expected to produce 212. Each train will consist of two self-propelled cars. The parts come from Indian suppliers.

Workers paid $ 2 an hour

In 2018, Radio-Canada revealed that Alstom workers in Sri City earned $ 2 an hour with a more intense production rate than in Quebec, where a welder earns an hourly wage of around $ 30.

A company executive then assured that when you transfer technology from one country to another, you also transfer the culture of quality and the culture of the product.

The REM is convinced to turn the tide

There is a trend that is taking hold on certain elements of the production chain and we would like this to be corrected, confirms the director of communications of CDPQ Infra, Jean-Vincent Lacroix.

Project managers are, however, very confident that the rectifications will be made by Alstom and the spokesperson assures us that at this time, nothing major has been detected that could worry us for the rest, for the commissioning.

In the percentages of cars that we have received, anything that has been marked can be corrected and it will be corrected. We are also confident about the rest of the rolling stock.

A quote from: Jean-Vincent Lacroix, spokesperson for the REM

The fact that we have alerts like this, several months before commissioning, shows that we are extremely rigorous both in our expectations and in our inspections, he explains.

Same reassuring speech from Alstom, who claims to have put in place a detailed and planned action plan in response to this letter.

The manufacturer, who bears the cost of the fixes, argues that this is precisely the purpose of testing to modify or correct elements.

Alstom’s teams are keen to provide a high-performance, high-quality network, and everything is in place to achieve this, replied Adrien Vernhes, company spokesperson for the Americas.

The builder and the promoter assure that the project schedule will be respected. The first departures are scheduled for summer 2022 on the Rive-Sud branch.

At a press conference in Shawinigan, Quebec Premier François Legault said he was embarrassed about the REM trains. The quality isn't there, he blurted out.

He wished there was more Quebec content in REM cars, rather than following the lowest price rule.

At the same time, Mr. Legault accused the former Liberal government of Philippe Couillard of having let the Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec select the lowest bidder.

Mr. Legault's goal, in future projects, is for there to be as much Quebec content as possible.
Thank you.

Reading this, I am wondering if it is more of a product of the race to the bottom, or is there an actual problem in the industry.
     
     
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Thank you.

Reading this, I am wondering if it is more of a product of the race to the bottom, or is there an actual problem in the industry.
I think the problem is transit services are reluctant to use proven technology, keep selecting the lowest bids and don’t put any penalties in the contracts.
     
     
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All will be redone in 50 years and put underground. RCMP should be investigating this idiocy, financial crimes unit. Sharp turns, overground, highway medium, lemon cheap trains. Cheap rails. Any snow, the pentagram starts to skip on wires, frying conduits all the times. Sharp turns - all wheels cracked, axels bended and are done, bearings too. All trains effected. Cars should not be operational at all, until all lines will be put underground and lines straighten with new blueprints to connect dense areas. Watson bought expensive properties all over the world, others also got kick backs from Alstom too. A lot of people should go to jail over this. It is a nightmare.
I agree with you on the sharp turns. Remember when OC Transpo was constructing the Transitway claiming that it would be compatible for rail. Obviously that was either a lie or they made rash assumptions?

Running on the surface is not an issue. Look at Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver.
     
     
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I agree with you on the sharp turns. Remember when OC Transpo was constructing the Transitway claiming that it would be compatible for rail. Obviously that was either a lie or they made rash assumptions?

Running on the surface is not an issue. Look at Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver.
It is a big issue. Because Ottawa is a capital, which will triple its size in 100 years to 3 million people. Because of a good employment, still affordable real estate and a quality of life. You have to build for the future, not for now.
Ottawa is located in a dense populated corridor Montreal-Toronto. With global warming, which will continue, this region will be very close to a seasonal temperature in 20 years what is now Washington DC. With vineyards all around and I predict some lemon trees and small palm trees all around as well. The green belt will see many condominiums built. The trend to put condominiums from Rideau st to Montreal Rd will continue. It will be just a matter to connect populated areas to remove the personal traffic, electric or not. And all LRT lines have to be put underground. Sharp turns destroy wheels, axels and bearings. Not the loose tool box. It is a joke. I have a friend who is a mechanic in a yard. His words, not mine. Trains are not of a good quality, so are the rails. Not designed for sharp turns but for the straight lines. He said everything has to be redone. And stage one all has to be put underground first to be viable. It will be redone anyway, but it will be three times more expensive in 10 years.
     
     
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All will be redone in 50 years and put underground. RCMP should be investigating this idiocy, financial crimes unit. Sharp turns, overground, highway medium, lemon cheap trains. Cheap rails. [...]
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I agree with you on the sharp turns. Remember when OC Transpo was constructing the Transitway claiming that it would be compatible for rail. Obviously that was either a lie or they made rash assumptions?

Running on the surface is not an issue. Look at Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver.
We really need to stop calling these mild turns "sharp".
They're inconvenient, but hardly criminal..................
     
     
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We really need to stop calling these mild turns "sharp".
They're inconvenient, but hardly criminal..................
I mean in the end our trains are actually streetcars. These kinds of curves should be super easy for them to handle. It's not great from a speed perspective, but they are far more gradual than the kinds of curves that they'd have on street.

So far, all the latest issues seem to be shoddy maintenance, the best trains in the world won't help if you don't actually tighten bolts
     
     
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We really need to stop calling these mild turns "sharp".
They're inconvenient, but hardly criminal..................
This. Turns aren't great, but they're not impossible regardless of system chosen. The TTC makes it around some very sharp curves at Union with their proper subway system.
     
     
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Replacement buses for LRT to stop running today, transit GM says
Partial LRT return has proven 'consistent,' Renée Amilcar says

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Posted: Nov 16, 2021 1:47 PM ET | Last Updated: 1 hour ago


Replacement buses that were brought in to ferry riders around during Ottawa's most recent light rail shutdown will be taken off the roads later today, the city says.

The R1 buses will stop running after Tuesday afternoon's rush hour, now that "consistent" service has resumed on the Confederation Line and demand for the buses has declined, transit general manager Renée Amilcar said in a memo to council.

The line was shut down for nearly two months after a train derailed Sept. 19 before entering Tremblay station.

Partial service was restored last Friday and the city had said it hoped to have full service in place by mid-December.

But Allan Hubley, chair of the transit commission, told CBC Tuesday that won't happen. He expects 11 trains to run before Christmas with a return to full service — all 15 trains — in January.

There are currently seven trains on the tracks and a spare is available.

On Tuesday, though, one train was stopped causing reduced service — just over two hours after the memo was released regarding R1 buses. OC Transpo tweeted the train stopped between Lyon and Tunney's Pasture stations. Passengers travelling east had to change trains at Lyon station, the tweet read.

Amilcar's memo also said passenger volumes on the R1 buses have been low since trains started operating again.

Council had adopted a motion to extend the transfer window by a full hour while R1 buses were running, she added, but the return to some semblance of normalcy meant that wouldn't happen right now.

City staff members are still expected to report back to transit commission in 2022 on potentially extending the window permanently to 120 minutes, Amilcar said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/r1-buses-oc-transpo-shutdown-lrt-1.6250919
     
     
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