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Old Posted Nov 11, 2021, 6:29 PM
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I'm of the opinion that there would be nothing special at all about Canada not having overwhelmingly globally identifiable yet meaningful shibboleths or a unique language/accent or architectural styles (although I think Canada does have some of those things). A few of the most culturally distinct countries on the planet, like Japan or the UK, tick all the boxes, sure. But most of the world is not like this. There's a large share of the globe that's former Spanish colonies, leftovers of the Russian or Ottoman empires (Canada being ex-British empire), or places in Africa that may be culturally distinct yet that outsiders cannot tell apart. I don't believe that the average North American can immediately tell the difference between Columbian and Ecuadoran accents or cities or that Ecuadorans should beat themselves up about it or that it has any significance as far as what the national boundaries should be around there.
     
     
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Beautiful picture, lots to peruse and chew on here! Nice contrast to typical Instagram city pics which due to the nature of the app have become more and more predictable - basically exaggerated and optimized large thumbnail postcards. It’s a shame Flickr and other large format sites are in decline as we’re losing nuance and cityscape pictures that are a joy to consider, such as the picture above. Thanks for sharing Martin Mtl!
     
     
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That boat looks totally landlocked :p
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2021, 8:34 PM
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That boat looks totally landlocked :p
But this could be Saskatoon or Indianapolis, right? It's not labelled.
     
     
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I think it's easy to dismiss each individual thing as being minor or something (else) somebody might not notice but they can and do add up to large differences. I find Seattle and Portland to be very different from Vancouver even though "on paper" they should be similar (similar size, same region). The highways and transit alone create a big difference in how each city functions.

People tend to focus on the nicer stuff but there are a lot of unique mundane aspects too, one Vancouver example being Vancouver Specials and all those packed in houses in East Van that are fairly distinctive even though I would not call them beautiful. In 1910 I would guess that Vancouver was building more similar houses to Seattle than in 1980, i.e. there was less distinctiveness in early industrial housing (Craftsmen houses and many styles that were basically made from kits, even brick apartment buildings) than in some modern era stuff.
That's a good assessment, I think. In Western Canada, aside from, say, the Chateauesque railroad hotels, the architectural styles often mimicked that of the US. In the East, it seems more mixed. Halifax and Saint John have older areas that could be New England, and Windsor's old areas look like Detroit if it hadn't emptied out. But Quebec's triplex typology and the often British-y rowhouse/duplex neighbourhoods in Southern Ontario (think the Bay and Gable areas) are a bit different from what immediately follows across the border. The architectural vernacular of a Rochester or Buffalo does not look like Hamilton or Toronto, though maybe it looks a bit like the Niagara Region.

The Canadian coasts are the areas that most resemble what immediately follows across the border. Maine I've heard described by a handful of people as being "like Nova Scotia" and states like WA and OR are not entirely dissimilar from BC. That being said, Vancouver does not look like an American city, even though it often plays one on the big screen. Seattle and Portland have styles and aesthetics that just don't fit in up north. There's arguably more 'Vancouverism' in Toronto than Seattle, the transit ridership (especially in Portland) is not on the same level, there are vast freeway networks slicing through the metro area, the sprawl in Seattle is much more apparent, there's the big void-like downtown convention centres that every American downtown seems to have but not Canada, there's less Asian influence (though it's still strong in Seattle), the metro areas of Portland and Seattle don't feel as compacted like Metro Vancouver (even though I think Metro Portland and Metro Vancouver aren't totally dissimilar in geographic area), and so on. And yet, there's a lot of cross-traffic between the 3 cities and so there's a lot of sharing of ideas that comes with that. Vancouver seems as much a destination for Seattlelites as Seattle is for Vancouverites, usually the relationship with Canada is more one-sided. There's also a shared outdoorsy culture.

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Another subtle difference that I think affects a lot of things is how Canadian urban construction (both buildings and infrastructure) seems more likely to be aimed at average or middle class people. The US has more gold-plated grand construction and then areas that are falling apart, while Canada has more modest condos or "cheap and cheerful" looking developments. American developments often look scaled up by about 20%. Often the Canadian scaling is more like say London than Chicago.
I don't disagree with you here, but it is worth noting that those cheap-looking developments are often anything but. It's honestly ridiculous how much cheap crap will go for in Canadian cities.

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Yet another comment I will make is that there aren't really that many cities so it's not that hard for them to be relatively unique. Many regions of North America have only a handful of major cities. There are arguably around half a dozen Toronto-sized cities in North America in total.
I count 8 that are +/- 1 million from Toronto's size (so 5-7 million)
1. Toronto
2. Dallas
3. Houston
4. Philadelphia
5. San Francisco
6. Miami
7. Atlanta
8. Guadalajara
     
     
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Who do I have to bribe to get a chateau style hotel built in Hamilton, though?
     
     
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I can't say I've seen a place outside of Canada in which window wall dominates over curtain wall. With that said, I wouldn't call Canadian condo buildings more modest. Living space is something else.
     
     
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Bayview to Tunney's skyline, Ottawa. Two towers, 28 and 31 floors u/c near the tallest in view (which itself is 32). The 65, 56 and 23 Trinity at Bayview set to begin construction in early 2023 behind the trees, to the left.


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Bayview to Tunney's skyline, Ottawa. Two towers, 28 and 31 floors u/c near the tallest in view (which itself is 32). The 65, 56 and 23 Trinity at Bayview set to begin construction in early 2023 behind the trees, to the left.


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The first of many Vancouver skyline shots I took during my trio to BC in late october / early november (click to enlarge)


The Vancouver Skyline from Cypress by Foofoo MacShoe, on Flickr


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The Skylines of Burnaby by Foofoo MacShoe, on Flickr


The Vancouver Skyline from BCFerries by Foofoo MacShoe, on Flickr
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2021, 7:02 PM
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That's a good assessment, I think. In Western Canada, aside from, say, the Chateauesque railroad hotels, the architectural styles often mimicked that of the US. In the East, it seems more mixed. Halifax and Saint John have older areas that could be New England, and Windsor's old areas look like Detroit if it hadn't emptied out. But Quebec's triplex typology and the often British-y rowhouse/duplex neighbourhoods in Southern Ontario (think the Bay and Gable areas) are a bit different from what immediately follows across the border.
You could say the same thing about British-inspired architecture in Halifax. There are a lot of box-style rows and dormered houses that don't really look anything like New England. And then a bunch of New England styles never made it to NS. The overlap is probably something like 30% of the old building stock, peaking around 1890 or so. And these days there is almost no overlap.

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I count 8 that are +/- 1 million from Toronto's size (so 5-7 million)
1. Toronto
2. Dallas
3. Houston
4. Philadelphia
5. San Francisco
6. Miami
7. Atlanta
8. Guadalajara
Yes. My point is that there are so few that there are not a lot in the same region. Nobody will confuse Toronto and Guadalajara or Philadelphia or Miami. It's a bit silly to think of Toronto as "just another one of those major North American metros". Maybe you could do this with similar cities in China but I don't know enough about Chinese cities to assess that.

I would argue the same is true in the Pacific Northwest or would be true even if you argued Halifax was traditionally a completely indistinguishable New England-y city. There's 1 major New England style city in total, and there are a few medium sized ones. So if we say "that could look like Anywheresville New England" we might actually be talking about 4 places.
     
     
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Damn, Vancouver could benefit so greatly from just one tall signature tower. Just one, that’s all I ask
     
     
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Damn, Vancouver could benefit so greatly from just one tall signature tower. Just one, that’s all I ask
It's begging for it.
     
     
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I took these a few hours ago...this is North York's skyline, looking westward toward Yonge street from a bidge overlooking the 401 freeway. The amount of density building up eastward is astounding...the bottom image is a bit better, and shows the skyline stetching from Finch at it's most north right down to the freeway.
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^ Great skyline. How many distinct skylines does Toronto have? I am also curious about the land in the foreground, is it a protected area, a green belt?
     
     
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The developing North End Halifax skyline.


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That squat 70's/80's office building (with the "wraparound" windows alternating with concrete siding; not a fan of that style) used to stick out as the tallest building around there.
     
     
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