Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity - Page 52

MonctonRad · #**1021** Posted **Oct 22, 2021, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Indeed. It wasn't that long ago that you could find people living in the Pays d'Oc who would tell stories about being beaten by school teachers or by authorities for speaking their native Auvergnat, or Gascon, or Occitan, Languedocien, Limousin, Provençal, etc.

It wasn't that long ago that the Spanish have behaved similarly to their regional dialects.

Linguistic genocide is still being perpetrated by the French in Alsace-Lorraine (Lothringia).

vid · #**1022** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 1:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Thinking about this more, would you then disagree that residential schools were "genocide"?

Architype · #**1023** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 2:59 AM**

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I can appreciate that but my question still remains. Respectfully.

Definitions of events change over time, on one hand it is a question of semantics at best, and as horrible and barbaric as genocide at worst, so it's easy to conclude that it contained elements of genocide, even if it's not quite the same thing. In addition, many words and phrases are forced to leave the language (i.e. cancelled) when the words become tainted through negative association, so "residential school" is now a phrase which can never be used again. Genocide was a bad word from the beginning and can't suffer such a fate, but its usage can change over time as well.

OldDartmouthMark · #**1024** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

I repeat: no one in Quebec with a brain thinks that Canada provides a buffer that protects French, and certainly not more than an independent country would.

But... why are all the products I buy in Canada required to have labels in both French and English?

Seriously, it does sound like you are overstating things a little.

davee930 · #**1025** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 4:47 PM**

Thankful Canada has Quebec. A spash of culture never hurts.

Acajack · #**1026** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 7:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

But... why are all the products I buy in Canada required to have labels in both French and English?

Seriously, it does sound like you are overstating things a little.

And how and why would product labelling feature less French in an independent Quebec?

I'd expect that in independent Quebec, product labelling would be either French only, French-English or French-English-Spanish.

Why would anyone expect anything different?

gunnar777 · #**1027** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 7:49 PM**

What does this moronic thread have to do with skyscrapers or infrastructure? Why are there so many of these lowbrow, trashy, racist threads on here anyway? There are political subreddits that you can go to for these conversations.

ToxiK · #**1028** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 8:44 PM**

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What does this moronic thread have to do with skyscrapers or infrastructure? Why are there so many of these lowbrow, trashy, racist threads on here anyway? There are political subreddits that you can go to for these conversations.

If this thread is so bad, why are you on it?

Acajack · #**1029** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 9:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by gunnar777

What does this moronic thread have to do with skyscrapers or infrastructure? Why are there so many of these lowbrow, trashy, racist threads on here anyway? There are political subreddits that you can go to for these conversations.

I didn't create this thread BTW, though I note that in the past year and half you've basically only posted in the "culture wars" threads. Whereas there are tons of building, urban planning, architecture and transit threads that are very active on here too. (I post in these as well, in case you didn't notice.)

Anyway, aren't you going to be late for the Balarama Holness rally?

Jimmy Nimby · #**1030** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 9:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by gunnar777

What does this moronic thread have to do with skyscrapers or infrastructure? Why are there so many of these lowbrow, trashy, racist threads on here anyway? There are political subreddits that you can go to for these conversations.

The irony is that YOUR post is going to be deleted.

vid · #**1031** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 10:20 PM**

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If this thread is so bad, why are you on it?

It's the whole site these days.

gunnar777 · #**1032** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 10:39 PM**

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It's the whole site these days.

I'm with you on that haha. I mostly check out mtlurb/agora and urbantoronto nowadays, because they actually stick to subject matter and moderate out the trash content.

OldDartmouthMark · #**1033** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

And how and why would product labelling feature less French in an independent Quebec?

I'd expect that in independent Quebec, product labelling would be either French only, French-English or French-English-Spanish.

Why would anyone expect anything different?

Isn't requiring both languages on labelling, although a small thing, providing a buffer that protects the language?

OldDartmouthMark · #**1034** Posted **Oct 24, 2021, 10:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by davee930

Thankful Canada has Quebec. A spash of culture never hurts.

I agree. I love Quebec.

Truenorth00 · #**1035** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 12:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by davee930

Thankful Canada has Quebec...

Me too. But apparently they aren't grateful to have Canada....

davee930 · #**1036** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 12:28 AM**

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Me too. But apparently they aren't grateful to have Canada....

I wouldn't be grateful to be a second class language in a country full of boring white English losers. (I can say that because I'm a boring white English loser)

lio45 · #**1037** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 1:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

I didn't create this thread BTW

FTR, neither did I, in spite of being the person with the first post in it.

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Me too. But apparently they aren't grateful to have Canada....

You guys are neighbors. Same as Northern New Englanders who are fine people too, and our friends; but that doesn’t mean we want to be annexed by the USA.

lio45 · #**1038** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 1:14 AM**

Maybe it can help some of you understand if I use the point above for an example. The USA is a successful country. Richer than us, in fact. You don’t hate Americans, right? Then you’d like them to annex Canada, I’m assuming. If not, why not?

davee930 · #**1039** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 1:23 AM**

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Maybe it can help some of you understand if I use the point above for an example. The USA is a successful country. Richer than us, in fact. You don’t hate Americans, right? Then you’d like them to annex Canada, I’m assuming. If not, why not?

I would love that. Split it into 2 countries. The coast and biggest badest cities go the the left and the right can have everything else. Peace at last.

Acajack · #**1040** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 11:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

Isn't requiring both languages on labelling, although a small thing, providing a buffer that protects the language?

I suppose.

Maybe not you, but I've never understood why bilingual labelling was viewed by so many ROCers as this huge concession to Quebec and francophones.

I mean, we're here on the land mass and we're a decent-sized market. Even if Quebec had been independent since 1995, 1980 or even before that there'd probably be some type of fairly extensive trade agreement and many, many products sold in Canada would still have English-French bilingual labelling.

We're not part of the same country as Mexico and tons of products already have Spanish on them as well today. (And the US has even more Spanish on labels and such and they're not part of Mexico either and Spanish isn't even an official language.)

When I hear people say this stuff it's as if they've never travelled abroad in their entire lives.

"Let Quebec separate - then we won't have any more of that damned French on our bloody cereal boxes!"

I think not. Not unless you want 25% of the workers at Kellogg's in Toronto to lose their jobs.