Jericho Lands Planning Program - Page 6

Coldrsx · #**101** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 4:04 PM**

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Alex Mackinnon · #**102** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 6:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

I wonder if Translink could add some water-based transportation options from Jericho to downtown. Something from the Jericho Pier to the aquatic centre dock would make sense. I'm not sure if commuting patterns justify it.

Why would they? The Skytrain would hopefully be right through this site by the time it gets built up.

Migrant_Coconut · #**103** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 6:24 PM**

Yeah, if somebody's walked all the way down to the pier and waited for the next ferry, that's probably enough time to take the M-Line all the way to City Hall.

Vin · #**104** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 7:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

A park across the street from a beach and a park isn't going to be too popular or useful.

Large parklands are always useful: they act as green lungs to the city. Burnaby is able to maintain its large green spaces without having to keep expanding into it. Hence the City looks green when you step out of the urban centres.

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

I mean buying/rezoning SFH vs the First Nations/CLC developing in one go a massive development plot isn't the same thing. The last thing this neighbourhood needs is another park.

Isn't what they are doing along Cambie Street? Buying/rezoning SFH can be done.
It's First Nations land and I have no qualms about what they are doing there, but maintaining large tracts of SFH lands in Vancouver while encroaching all available green spaces isn't ideal either.

WarrenC12 · #**105** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Large parklands are always useful: they act as green lungs to the city. Burnaby is able to maintain its large green spaces without having to keep expanding into it. Hence the City looks green when you step out of the urban centres.

And which green spaces is Vancouver expanding into?

Vin · #**106** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 7:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

And which green spaces is Vancouver expanding into?

Everywhere. Anymore forested areas to share? Even the pockets around East Fraser Lands are now gone.

FarmerHaight · #**107** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 7:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Why would they? The Skytrain would hopefully be right through this site by the time it gets built up.

I was mostly thinking about congestion before the Skytrain arrives. If all of the 18k new residents have to drive or take the bus, that's a lot of new people with not a lot of excess capacity. Especially for people crossing English Bay to West End or Yaletown, a ferry seems like a good way to avoid more surface street congestion.

Even after Skytrain is built, it will take a transfer at City Hall or Commercial to get downtown, and if you are going somewhere to the north-west of Howe, you will need to catch a bus as well. A ferry between Jericho and DT could be more direct and faster, depending on your final destination and the proximity of the dock.

As I said, commuting patterns would tell us whether it's warranted. My question was whether Translink is interested in more ships and would consider operating a service across English Bay, or if there is no appetite to operate water crafts other than Seabus.

WarrenC12 · #**108** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 9:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Everywhere. Anymore forested areas to share? Even the pockets around East Fraser Lands are now gone.

You're moving the goal posts. You said parks.

Can't wait to see Pacific Spirit park built out!

Speaking of East Fraser Lands, what has happened on the Burnaby side of the border, remind me again?

Migrant_Coconut · #**109** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 9:58 PM**

Let's be real, less than half the site is actual green space, and that's being retained - the rest is parking lots and teardowns.

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Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

I was mostly thinking about congestion before the Skytrain arrives. If all of the 18k new residents have to drive or take the bus, that's a lot of new people with not a lot of excess capacity. Especially for people crossing English Bay to West End or Yaletown, a ferry seems like a good way to avoid more surface street congestion.

Even after Skytrain is built, it will take a transfer at City Hall or Commercial to get downtown, and if you are going somewhere to the north-west of Howe, you will need to catch a bus as well. A ferry between Jericho and DT could be more direct and faster, depending on your final destination and the proximity of the dock.

As I said, commuting patterns would tell us whether it's warranted. My question was whether Translink is interested in more ships and would consider operating a service across English Bay, or if there is no appetite to operate water crafts other than Seabus.

Pretty sure that you'd lose any potential commute time savings just waiting for the ferry; twice the distance means twice the wait time, unless TransLink buys twice the vehicles as Waterfront-Lonsdale (unlikely).

'Sides, the 4 and 84 are just a couple blocks north, and they're not exactly slow - should take less than half an hour to get over the bridges and walk to VAC.

dleung · #**110** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Everywhere. Anymore forested areas to share? Even the pockets around East Fraser Lands are now gone.

Exactly.

I don't know how this is parkland, while this gets turned into this

officedweller · #**111** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 10:25 PM**

That section of 4th Ave is just a boulevard - the same as Cambie Boulevard - and should be built up to with a streetwall in the same way (even if they have front yards).

Klazu · #**112** Posted **Oct 23, 2021, 4:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

That section of 4th Ave is just a boulevard - the same as Cambie Boulevard - and should be built up to with a streetwall in the same way (even if they have front yards).

Nah, it's a freeway, didn't you hear? Anyways, I like the placement of the three towers but them being the same height makes for bad skyline. I hope the middle one would be taller or they would each step up from each other.

The proposed SkyTrain station position is very poor for the eastern part of the project. That's a long trek up some really steep hill. Same for those visiting the beach, which is why I will see the SkyTrain serving only a limited number of beach traffic.

Migrant_Coconut · #**113** Posted **Oct 23, 2021, 5:27 AM**

Keeping in mind there'll be a station directly southeast of Jericho. Most non-UBC commuters will be going east anyway, so they'd walk to Alma instead and bypass the slope.

Feathered Friend · #**114** Posted **Nov 16, 2021, 9:48 PM**

Link to the meeting recap link in the following post.

Feathered Friend · #**115** Posted **Nov 16, 2021, 9:50 PM**

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The Jericho Lands Soar Forward On The Wings Of A Magical Urban Design Panel Experience

Jericho Lands Planning Program
At ninety acres, it’s unlikely the Urban Design Panel will ever again get to examine something as large as this former military base, now dubbed the Jericho Lands. These volunteers were clearly excited by this process, a sentiment I didn’t share it as I’ve sat through enough of these meetings to know this would be a multi-hour process. I swore to Hannah there was no way I would sit through this one, that is until I saw its scale model.

In fact, there were two of them! Both of which included 20 acres of open space, enough housing for 15– 18 thousand people, and a million square feet of non-residential uses. The difference is in their layout, as the Eagle emblazes that bird’s image across its terrean, whereas the Weave pays tribute with its tightly wound networks. This wasn’t an artistic narrative forced upon the site, but rather a way of honouring The Partnership bringing it forward.

One particularly juicy tidbit.

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The big revelation was this site would likely host the staging grounds for the tunnel boring machines needed to extend the Broadway Subway from Arbutus to UBC.

https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2021/1...el-experience/

officedweller · #**116** Posted **Nov 16, 2021, 11:45 PM**

Nice tidbit!

I like the Eagle layout better.
There seems to be better access from 4th Ave and there's the linear waterway/pedestrian path east-west through the site.

The Weave layout has a water feature barrier all along 4th Ave, which screams "stay out!"
- like the Lagoons condo building near Granville Island.

Migrant_Coconut · #**117** Posted **Nov 17, 2021, 3:56 AM**

Agreed. Weave somehow manages to be bland and disconnected.

Vin · #**118** Posted **Nov 17, 2021, 9:59 PM**

Love the water feature by Eagle! Reminds me of Zaandam, the Netherlands.

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4386...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4383...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4388...7i13312!8i6656

LeftCoaster · #**119** Posted **Nov 17, 2021, 10:04 PM**

Great stuff, thanks FF!

I think both have merits but I am leaning towards Eagle. I was leaning Weave with its tighter street grid and north south connectivity until OD pointed out the moat now that's all I can see.

I think Eagle, borrowing the ped path from Weave that links 8th and Highbury to 4th right above the park would be great. Add a slightly tighter grid to Eagle and it's hands down the winner.

Vin · #**120** Posted **Nov 17, 2021, 10:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

You're moving the goal posts. You said parks.

Can't wait to see Pacific Spirit park built out!

Speaking of East Fraser Lands, what has happened on the Burnaby side of the border, remind me again?

Pacific Spirit ISN'T part of Vancouver, and that explains why it is still around.

Burnaby's side by the Fraser River has a lot more green areas than all of Vancouver combined, TBO, so don't even start.