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Old Posted Oct 6, 2021, 12:47 PM
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Within the Chicago metro area, especially Cook County, suburbs under a certain population threshold should either be annexed by the city or amalgamate with one another. No need for thousands of different taxing bodies (school districts, fire protection districts, police districts, library districts, mosquito abatement districts, etc. etc.). They can merge and become more efficient as a result.
^ So that these townships can run as........efficienty as Chicago?

I have a unique window into efficiencies as I deal with and pay lots of bills to the municipality of Chicago very frequently, in addition to my own municipality, and that has allowed me some perspective.

And I can tell you, merging with Chicago will not make a single town (or their residents) save a single penny. Chicago has shown that it's not interested in trimming waste. That's why, like, ZERO towns have shown interest in being annexed by it.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2021, 1:27 PM
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And I can tell you, merging with Chicago will not make a single town (or their residents) save a single penny. Chicago has shown that it's not interested in trimming waste. That's why, like, ZERO towns have shown interest in being annexed by it.
Are these towns actually interested in trimming waste? Their property tax rates sure don’t seem like it. I grew up in (very conservative) Wheaton and any bill to expand education spending past by wide margins. Meanwhile, everyone called themselves a “fiscal conservative”.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2021, 2:21 PM
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Are these towns actually interested in trimming waste? Their property tax rates sure don’t seem like it. I grew up in (very conservative) Wheaton and any bill to expand education spending past by wide margins. Meanwhile, everyone called themselves a “fiscal conservative”.
^ In the suburbs, people pay higher property taxes in lieu of sending their kids to private school, as a trade off for good schools where snowflakey teachers aren't going on strike every other year.

The resources for children in many of Chicago's suburban school districts, particularly where the property taxes tend to run higher, are exemplary.

So for most people, that is money well spent and not viewed as "waste". Theoretically, all of that goes to 🞵🞵🞵🞵 if their municipality merged with Chicago and the CTU clowns took over
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^ So that these townships can run as........efficienty as Chicago?
Yes. I own properties in the suburbs and the city, and typically the property taxes in the city are much lower than the suburbs (at least the near west Cook suburbs). But even if the city taking over suburbs irks you, then fine. We can have suburb to suburb annexation, as I had mentioned.

Small suburbs suffer from having to provide all necessary services for their small amount of residents. I mean, look at Forest View, IL. Its a suburb of 800 people, just outside city limits. It has to have its own police service, fire service, library district, etc. There is no reason it cannot merge with Stickney, a town immediately adjacent to its north, with a population of 6600. Stickney's fire and police services can easily accommodate Forest View's needs at minimal increased cost, but gaining a larger tax base as a result. These efficiencies can result in taxpayer savings. This is just one example of many that can be done. Cook County alone has 29 township governments that can simply be legislated away. There is nothing about their duties that isn't already or cannot be handled by the municipalities that exist in the same space as they do. There is a lot of opportunity here for streamlining, even if annexation by Chicago isn't something you are interested in (although I definitely am )
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Griffin is the bad guy? While Kim Foxx refuses to prosecute murder if it involves "mutual combatants".

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/...-jack-boys-shootout-four-corner-hustlers
Exactly. And there was a similar incident in Schaumburg involving a 17 year old and a dead 18 year old. No charges. Apparently duels to the death between teenagers are now legal in Illinois. Lovely.
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/2021100...schaumburg-decries-lack-of-murder-charge

Over the summer I took my wife and son to a carnival at Woodfield on Friday night so my son could ride the rides. At 10pm cops cleared us out and shut everything down because there were shots fired in the parking lot. The Carnival wasn't allowed to reopen for Sat/Sunday. I bet there were no charges filed in that incident either.
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This is where you need a Rahm to keep them here. Lori has no clout, can't even keep Foxx from legalizing gang murders.

Lori's big Idea is placing bleeding kits all over the city.

The Loss of Boeing would be a huge loss and horrible image.




But as expected most here will say don't let the door hit them on their 🞵🞵🞵. That sadly seems to be the most frequent response to issues like this.
I can always count on this guy to extol the virtues of Rahm Emanuel at least once a month. GTF over it already! He is gone and he ain’t comin back. We have what have at least until the next election so quit your belly aching about who is not here and get off your 🞵🞵🞵🞵 and do something about it. You want to make the city better — do something! Do something besides bitching and complaining all day on an internet forum.

Lori has her faults — major faults — but Rahm did too. In the long run a city of “haves” and “have nots” (like we had under Rahm) will engender exactly what we have right now — discontent — which leads to violence. Lori may not be the answer but I am for damn sure certain that Rahm was not the answer either.
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Lightfoot has been an awful Mayor, the problem in the last election was Prekwinkle is worse, so many voted for LL in opposition to Prekwinkle. In other news, Pritzker seems to agree with KG.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-videos-ho...rly-at-a-state-of-emergency/2630210/?amp
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I can always count on this guy to extol the virtues of Rahm Emanuel at least once a month. GTF over it already! He is gone and he ain’t comin back. We have what have at least until the next election so quit your belly aching about who is not here and get off your 🞵🞵🞵🞵 and do something about it. You want to make the city better — do something! Do something besides bitching and complaining all day on an internet forum.

Lori has her faults — major faults — but Rahm did too. In the long run a city of “haves” and “have nots” (like we had under Rahm) will engender exactly what we have right now — discontent — which leads to violence. Lori may not be the answer but I am for damn sure certain that Rahm was not the answer either.
Totally agree, plus great cities don't need one single savior. There are too many people in this city that believe that one man (The Dayleys or Rahm) can save our great city. This city is great with or without a great savior; however, I did like Rahm more than Lori. His administration was more organized and focus on moving the city forward. This is not an endorsement for Rahm. There was much more I did not like about him. I work at DPD during that administration and found him to be a little phony and an 🞵🞵🞵🞵.

I know it's been challenging over the past two years but Lori still seems to be lost. It helps to have had some legislative experience that's why I believe Preckwinkle would have done a better job on many of the issues this city face. Lori sometimes baffles me with her timing. All of our past mayors had some experience in politics.

I don't think the city will suffer in the long run because of her tenure. I believe Chicago will continue to prosper, but it still needs to get its social house in order (mass concentrated poverty, policing, and segregation).
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Lightfoot has been an awful Mayor, the problem in the last election was Prekwinkle is worse, so many voted for LL in opposition to Prekwinkle. In other news, Pritzker seems to agree with KG.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-videos-ho...rly-at-a-state-of-emergency/2630210/?amp
Who doesn't agree that crime is bad?
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The Elephant in the room needs to be addressed.



https://www.chicagobusiness.com/opinion/crime-hurting-chicago-more-taxes-tom-gimbel

October 07, 2021 04:39 PM |



It's not the taxes. It's the violence.



Over the past 23 years, I've built my business in Chicago. I have always felt that Chicago was the best city in America. However, it's changing.



TOM GIMBEL


I'm not for higher taxes in Illinois, or Chicago. I believe it isn't in the best interest of our business community, our schools or residents. However, high taxes won't kill a state, as shown by New York and California; but, then again, California has the weather and New York is New York, so it's not exactly apples to apples with Illinois.

The bigger issue facing business in Chicago is the violence. Enough is enough.



Shootouts on expressways. Restaurant districts having shootings. Car jackings at an all-time high. ...

...



Conferences are already going to Nashville, Dallas and Austin, rather than Chicago, due to the cost. And rightfully so.

We have great colleges in Chicago: the University of Chicago, Northwestern, DePaul, Loyola and UIC. These students and the families that send them here need to feel safe. ...


Over the past 23 years, I've built my business in Chicago. I have always felt that Chicago was the best city in America. Colleges, cost of living, businesses, quality of people, culture and museums, and sports teams. However, it's changing.

Maybe the mayor is in denial. "There's nothing anyone can do," or "I'm doing what I can; it takes time.” But that's not the truth.

.The mayor needs to come out publicly and praise the police, and get them back believing that our leaders support those who risk their lives to serve and protect. Once our residents, good citizens and criminals alike, know our leaders have the police officers’ backs, then we will start to stem the tide.

Hire more police, and train them on the emotional part of the job and hold them accountable, but let's get more and, most important, let's support them.

Make our residents feel safe. Make our kids feel safe. Make criminals know they can't destroy our city, because Chicago is the best city in the country. ...

Tom Gimbel is founder and CEO of LaSalle Network in Chicago.
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^ Tom Gimbel sounds like a reasonable and level-headed man.

quite a different tone than the recent hot take on the crime issue from another local business leader.
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^ Tom Gimbel sounds like a reasonable and level-headed man.

quite a different tone than the recent hot take on the crime issue from another local business leader.
I agree with Tom Gimbel. I'm not afraid to venture out in this city despite all of the crazy stuff happening, but lately, I have been feeling a little unsafe. Lori needs to stop all the blaming, although all of our local political leaders deserve to be blamed, and act like she's doing something. And I know a lot of what's happening is due to all of the inequities created over the past century, but still, DO SOMETHING!

This is one of the main reasons the black middle class is leaving the city in large numbers. Riding through much of the south side after sundown feels like a sleepy little town, and the west side is just plain frickin scary. The vibrancy levels have dropped tremendously over the past decade in most areas south and west. People are afraid to be outside after dark.

I still love this city and want this 🞵🞵🞵🞵 to stop. I know this is happening all over the country and I also know that Chicago has always been violent but it just feels different now.
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I've lived in River North for 17+ years and the past two years or so do seem like greater downtown has had more crime, likely due to the change in patterns from COVID.

I do hear gunshots more often than in the past, and I do read the police blotter, I'm not just thinking some noise is criminal.
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It's easy to be (justifiably) frustrated at the current administration in regards with crime, but when has the city really had a grip on crime?

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It's easy to be (justifiably) frustrated that the current administration in regards with crime, but when has the city really had a grip on crime?
It hasn't. Obviously there's an uptick in certain crimes in the "green" areas and its mainly 🞵🞵🞵 crimes. Total violent crime isn't any higher than it's been but crimes with a 🞵🞵🞵 whether shootings or holding someone up have an uptick statistically.

I wouldn't call it fear mongering bc some of this uptick is real but also some people believe the uptick is higher than it actually is. The amount of people who think that robbery is new downtown is astounding to me. Are people really this oblivious to think that violent crime literally wasn't a thing downtown until recently? Obviously shootings happening more is a real thing and a concern but this idea that downtown never had much violent crime is frankly mind blowing to me. Again 🞵🞵🞵 crimes are up, but people getting beat up or assaulted or robbed is not new.

Not an excuse and frankly maybe it's a good thing that people are starting to notice. People need to put pressure on the leaders to actually do something about it. I think that people didn't care as much before because a lot of the worse was happening far away,, for the the most part.. also thanks to some apps, people know about more than even a few years ago.

I might be insane but perhaps if enough pressure is put on leaders that they'll do something. I found it odd that after the whole west side incident of Foxx not bringing charges and KG saying stuff, that Lightfoot starred to give Foxx 🞵🞵🞵🞵. Then Pritzker a few days later says oh yeah we.are nearly at a state of emergency in the city. Maybe it kicks their asses into gear.

I actually hope more and more prominent business leaders start talking publicly and giving these people 🞵🞵🞵🞵, holding them accountable.

My hope would be, if they do this, that they start looking even greater at the old systemic issues that have contributed to these issues and not just try and build a "wall" around the "green areas". Every resident in every corner of the city deserves to be safe, not just those in various areas. When every corner of the city is doing well, everyone will feel it in a good way.
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Total violent crime isn't any higher than it's been but crimes with a 🞵🞵🞵 whether shootings or holding someone up have an uptick statistically.

I wouldn't call it fear mongering bc some of this uptick is real but also some people believe the uptick is higher than it actually is. Again 🞵🞵🞵 crimes are up, but people getting beat up or assaulted or robbed is not new.


I might be insane but perhaps if enough pressure is put on leaders that they'll do something. I found it odd that after the whole west side incident of Foxx not bringing charges and KG saying stuff, that Lightfoot starred to give Foxx 🞵🞵🞵🞵. Then Pritzker a few days later says oh yeah we.are nearly at a state of emergency in the city. Maybe it kicks their asses into gear.

I actually hope more and more prominent business leaders start talking publicly and giving these people 🞵🞵🞵🞵, holding them accountable.

My hope would be, if they do this, that they start looking even greater at the old systemic issues that have contributed to these issues and not just try and build a "wall" around the "green areas". Every resident in every corner of the city deserves to be safe, not just those in various areas. When every corner of the city is doing well, everyone will feel it in a good way.
You've made some really points imo. My problem with this whole crime issue is that we need to finally address it now. Although the violent crime rate has not increased significantly, the types of incidents in south and west side communities have intensified. Gatherings are being sprayed by gunfire way more than in the past. More bystanders, especially kids, are being killed because of the firepower being used. Women, children, and family members are being targeted in the street war.

One hundred people shot, 16 killed in one city over a weekend is not normal, and is an indication of all-out carnage to the rest of the world. Residents of this city, especially in the black community expect it. All of these trends are what I'm frustrated about. Something needs to be done.
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You've made some really points imo. My problem with this whole crime issue is that we need to finally address it now. Although the violent crime rate has not increased significantly, the types of incidents in south and west side communities have intensified. Gatherings are being sprayed by gunfire way more than in the past. More bystanders, especially kids, are being killed because of the firepower being used. Women, children, and family members are being targeted in the street war.

One hundred people shot, 16 killed in one city over a weekend is not normal, and is an indication of all-out carnage to the rest of the world. Residents of this city, especially in the black community expect it. All of these trends are what I'm frustrated about. Something needs to be done.
Agree. And obviously you have to protect the entire city but if you want to stop the rise in violence in all areas then you really have to address some of the root causes of it. There are legitimate organizations out there with success but they're small and need more support to expand. Before KG even said anything, Crains had this article from a few weeks ago:

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/opinion/chicago-crime-prevention-can-involve-businesses-editorial

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Three organizations—Chicago CRED, READI Chicago and Communities Partnering 4 Peace—are working together to reduce 🞵🞵🞵 violence, and preliminary data indicates they may have struck on a formula that works. What they need now, of course, is money. But they need even more than that: They seek partners in the business community who are willing to work with them to provide employment opportunities to people who are trying to turn their lives around.

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The coalition of violence prevention experts who met with Crain’s argue their method of reaching these individuals has shown major results. Just as an example, preliminary research on the READI program from the University of Chicago Crime Lab shows participants at-risk for 🞵🞵🞵 violence stay engaged​ in the program and have 79% fewer arrests for shootings and homicides compared with a randomized control group with similar backgrounds who do not get services from READI. Similarly, a study for Chicago CRED conducted by the Northwestern Neighborhood & Network Initiative (N3) shows the number of fatal and nonfatal gunshot injuries across CRED participants in the Roseland neighborhood decreased 50% and arrests for violent crimes decreased 48% in the 18 months after joining the program. Similar N3 research on the Communities Partnering 4 Peace program finds participants have lower rates of victimization and violent arrests after 18 months in the program.

And this is why some comments piss me off. We have actual data on multiple organizations vetted by U of C Crime Lab for example and yet it just seems like people who have the means to help out aren't engaged with orgs like this.
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October 18, 2021 02:00 PM |



City inspector blasts Lightfoot administration on his way out the door



Joe Ferguson has a warning for Chicago as he retires from 12 years as City Hall's top watchdog: The Lightfoot administration is incompetent, we're at an inflection point on crime and voters are too complacent. “We don’t have checks and balances in Chicago."


Chicago is at “an inflection point,” burdened with a government that is “broken,” a mayoral administration that “lacks competencies” and an electorate that accepts too much misconduct.

That’s the word from just-retired Chicago Inspector General Joe Ferguson in a candid, no-holds-barred interview in which he said he will not run for mayor or other office but will be a “resource” for those who do.

In a phone conversation on the first workday in 12 years in which he has not been the city’s top internal watchdog, Ferguson mixed some philosophizing about why Chicago always seems trapped in yet another political scandal with harsh words about the performance of Mayor Lori Lightfoot...

Ferguson only occasionally mentioned Lightfoot by name, more often referring to “the administration” and sometimes extending his criticism to the City Council. But he made it totally clear that he believes the city now is on the wrong path, despite his efforts to rein in corruption and instill good, efficient government practices.

“We don’t have checks and balances in Chicago. We don’t,” Ferguson said. ...

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“At times, I’ve felt like a useful idiot,” said Ferguson, a 61-year-old former federal prosecutor. “We can’t make changes. We can only make recommendations.”

“We need a reset on our government. Our government is broken, in some ways,” he continued.

Ferguson suggested he would have been willing to sign up for another term as inspector general, but Lightfoot made it clear “I was not going to be asked to stay.” In fact, the two rarely spoke, Ferguson said. He and former Mayor Rahm Emanuel “had some major disputes,” but always would sit down afterward and talk. But he and Lightfoot have not spoken for two years. “I have no idea (why).”

Nor does he know why Lightfoot didn’t have a permanent inspector general ready to go, given that he gave notice 100 days ago. (Lightfoot last week did name one of Ferguson’s deputies, William Marback, as interim inspector general.)

Ferguson termed that “an example of really poor governance and administration...The competencies simply aren’t there in this administration.”


A Lightfoot spokesman declined to comment for now.

The Chicago lawyer said he’s particularly concerned about the city’s crime problem.

We are not doing well on the police front. Everyone knows it,” he said. “We are at an inflection point.”

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“Even in the best of times, big cities operate at the edge,” he wrote. “And once in a generation, there are challenges that for some cities take on existential dimensions; at each such juncture, some slip into decline. Chicago has not tipped that way, but we should not blink (at) the fact that it could, for our city is at one of these generational crossroads.”

Remedying the city’s woes ultimately will take an awakened electorate, Ferguson said. “We don’t have that (now).”


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He won’t run for mayor or other office, he said. But that doesn’t mean he won’t be available in other ways.

“I know a lot. I love this city and I’m worried about it,” he said. “I’ll be a resource” to those who do run.

4:40 P.M. UPDATE: Later today, the mayor was asked about Ferguson's comments at a news conference. Lightfoot jokingly put her hand up to her ear and said, "Who was that? Who?"

Only four days ago, Lightfoot wrote an op-ed thanking Ferguson for his tenure, saying he helped pave "the way to a brighter, more transparent future for our city and residents."

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“I’m going to make sure that if he runs again, that I am all in to support the candidate who will beat him,” the Citadel founder said at a New York Times event today.
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Billionaire Ken Griffin says he is still considering moving his hedge fund firm Citadel out of Chicago due to rising crime and what he considers to be a subpar job by Gov. J.B. Pritzker to address the issue.

In an interview with Andrew Ross Sorkin at the New York Times DealBook summit today, Griffin said he plans to go “all in” on defeating Pritzker if he runs for re-election. Griffin went on to say his decision to move Citadel out of Chicago will come down to whether the city and state “embrace the policies” that he says will make the public safe.

Griffin first voiced the possibility of moving Citadel due to rising crime at an Economic Club of Chicago event last month. At the time, Pritzker responded to Griffin’s complaints, calling him a “liar” and saying that Griffin has worked to dismantle social services that prevent violence.

“He called me a liar,” Griffin said at Wednesday’s event. “It’s all about politics for him. It’s not about people."

“I’m going to make sure that if he runs again, that I am all in to support the candidate who will beat him,” Griffin continued. “He doesn’t deserve to be the governor of our state.”

In an email to Crain’s, Citadel’s Global Head of Communications Zia Ahmed confirmed that Griffin plans to heavily donate to the campaign of whoever Pritzker’s opponent is in 2022.

Talking today about crime in Chicago, Griffin said that over a recent weekend, one of his Citadel partners had a 🞵🞵🞵 put to his head outside his home in Chicago. He didn’t provide additional details on the incident, but said that on the following Monday, the colleague told him: “I don’t know if I worked my whole life to live like this.”

Griffin also mentioned the story of a 24-year-old University of Chicago graduate who was shot and killed in Hyde Park on Tuesday. Griffin said the shooting happened a few blocks from his kids’ school.

Those two incidents follow one Griffin mentioned last month at the Economic Club in which he said carjackers had attacked his security detail outside his Chicago home.

Citadel employs 500 in Chicago in its hedge-fund business and an additional 650 people, who work for Citadel Securities, a separate company owned by Griffin that is a market maker for retail brokerages.
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While I may disagree with Pritzker on some issues, I think overall he has done a pretty good job, and I think most of IL agrees. Any opponent to Pritzker would have a a pretty substantial uphill climb, whether it be in the primaries or even worse, as a GOP opponent in the general election. I think Illinoisans still have a bad taste in their mouths from 4 years of do-nothing Rauner.

Best of luck to Ken.
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