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Old Posted Sep 30, 2021, 8:31 PM
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The West Valley is Downtown Phoenix's problem. The educational opportunities there are practically nothing. I blame ASU for the anemic ASU West and keeping STEM studies in Tempe. If I wanted a computer science degree, there's basically *one* opportunity on site in a metro of 5 million. That's freaking ridiculous.
Yeah A few things, ASU seems to be doing a lot of work Downtown, at Polytech and Tempe of course but they have let west languish. I thought the plan was to mimic the UC system Crow??? What Gives?

But otherwise Maricopa Community Colleges and ABOR should be doing a lot more to upgrade their larger institutions (ahem mesa, Ahem Glendale Community College) into 4 year institutions or even 4 year universities.

I dont understand why ABOR refuses to create new Universities, the state has had the same big 3 for 100+ years. if they began the process of charting a new major 4 year university we'd have more than 8 million people in the state before it was finished, I dont know whats going on with it.

There are a couple of small schools that have gotten rolling, Central AZ college has new campuses in the SE valley, Ottawa has a campus in surprise with an actual football field, Arizona Christian university took over the old Thunderbird Campus those all have some progress
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2021, 8:45 PM
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The biggest opposition to 4-year community colleges comes from ASU and ABOR itself.

But yeah, I'm over "one university, many places." It makes it a pain in the butt to attend school if you have classes between campuses. It just seems to be the complete opposite to a good idea and I can't believe that's the status quo sometimes.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2021, 9:50 PM
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The biggest opposition to 4-year community colleges comes from ASU and ABOR itself.

But yeah, I'm over "one university, many places." It makes it a pain in the butt to attend school if you have classes between campuses. It just seems to be the complete opposite to a good idea and I can't believe that's the status quo sometimes.
Bunch of Tempe Drama Queens make it impossible to take the courses you need at each campus because they "might looooooose students." Crow could stop this nonsense and just let the other campuses offer the necessary courses...period, and then you would see West begin to flourish (well...that, and let them either reclaim their old ASU West identity, or give them a new identity that isn't just floating in the ether).

It drives my friends nuts that their kids are stuck on buses because upper admin won't stand up to the Tempe folks.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2021, 9:54 PM
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4 year community college degrees

This year’s legislature actually passed a bill allowing four-year community college degrees but only in specific fields which could be expanded in the future. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/4938248001
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2021, 3:36 PM
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https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...residential-headquarters-to-phoenix.html

The guys that built X phoenix after Katerra went bust are moving their Residential division to Phoenix and plans more multi family!
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2021, 4:21 PM
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https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...residential-headquarters-to-phoenix.html

The guys that built X phoenix after Katerra went bust are moving their Residential division to Phoenix and plans more multi family!
Nice. This was interesting:

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Clayco also will be breaking ground later this year and early next year on two more multifamily towers in downtown Phoenix.

"We can't say who they are yet," he said.
Any guesses? Palm Tower and Basecamp X??? or McKinley Green or whatever it's called now?
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2021, 5:59 PM
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Any guesses? Palm Tower and Basecamp X??? or McKinley Green or whatever it's called now?
It's Palm Tower (Q4 '21) and X Phoenix Phase II (Q1/2 '22)
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It's Palm Tower (Q4 '21) and X Phoenix Phase II (Q1/2 '22)
Ah yes forgot about X Phase II! Thanks for confirming
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2021, 10:27 PM
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It's Palm Tower (Q4 '21) and X Phoenix Phase II (Q1/2 '22)
They are slowly ramping up for Palm Tower and I expect a ground-breaking very soon. Cox was already moving underground lines a couple weeks ago and it looks like they may be getting ready to block off parking meter spots along 5th St. Exciting times!
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Ah yes forgot about X Phase II! Thanks for confirming
Can someone please give us a rendering and the precise location for X Phoenix (Phase 2)? Thank you.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2021, 3:17 PM
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Can someone please give us a rendering and the precise location for X Phoenix (Phase 2)? Thank you.
Van Buren and 2nd Ave. Much more info being discussed here:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239017
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2021, 4:19 PM
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IM getting some serious 2006 vibes. When Interest rates go up in 22' demand is going to crater. Not as bad as 2008 but these plans are becoming absurd!

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...y-master-planned-community-approved.html

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Apache Junction City Council unanimously approved the development of a master-planned community that will pave the way for 10,000 new homes.

On Oct. 5, Council approved the annexation of land, development agreements and community facilities districts of Superstition Vistas, a master-planned community to be developed by Arlington, Texas-based D.R. Horton Inc. (NYSE: DHI) and the U.S. arm of Canadian builder Brookfield Residential.

For many years, East Valley community leaders have been working together to find a way to develop this 275-square-mile parcel owned by the Arizona State Land Department.

Then, last November, the state land department put out to bid 2,783 acres of that area, with the stipulation that the auction winner would be required to entitle another 5,300 acres of adjacent land owned by the state land department to pave the way for future development.

D.R. Horton and Brookfield won that bid, paying $245.5 million for the 2,783 acres and agreeing to entitle the 5,300 acres of state land. They also agreed to work with the city of Apache Junction to annex the entire 8,100 acres into the city, which also would pave the way for growth and economic development of the area.

Read more: Behind the deal - How the massive Superstition Vistas project came together

With approvals in place, grading of the land will begin in early November, with an eye toward a grand opening sometime in the second or third quarter of 2023, Dea McDonald, senior vice president and general manager for Brookfield Properties Development, told the Business Journal.

In addition to the 10,940 homes that will be built on the 2,783 acres D.R. Horton and Brookfield bought, plans call for 443,400 square feet of non-residential development.

The other 5,307 acres still owned by the state has approvals for a master site plan that will include the development of future residential, commercial and industrial uses.


That parcel is bounded by Baseline Road on the north, the Frye Road alignment on the south, Meridian Drive on the west to the Central Arizona Project Canal on the east.

Patrick Brown, vice president of land acquisition for D.R. Horton made a presentation to Council on Oct. 4, the night before the big vote, noting that the entire area is larger than Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert and Tempe combined.

Controlling growth
When Council unanimously approved the development on Oct, 5, Apache Junction Mayor Chip Wilson said it was important to maintain control of the growth in the area.

"This is why, again, a planned community looks at the whole picture and comes up with alternatives that will help out," he said Tuesday night. "That is something we have been working very hard on. This is something we look at for the entire area. We looked at it to be able to control it ourselves instead of having it wild like in San Tan (Valley) area."

Vice Mayor Christa Rizza said she gets goosebumps just being a part of what's to come, as a result of the visionaries ahead of the group that is now implementing this project.

"I do share the same sentiments with growth," she said at Tuesday's meeting. "It's tough. When I moved out here, the whole reason we moved out here is because we wanted our children to grow up in a rural community. And we watched horses being ridden right down Apache Trail."

It's important that Apache Junction is able to retain its horse communities and large-lot communities, she said.

"So I get it," she said. "And some of the comments made about growth, we have an opportunity. We can control it or we can have a neighboring community control it. It's really best for us to have that local control ourselves."
For Reference this is going in East of Eastmark in Mesa, Meridian road to the AZ Canal Between Eliot and Ray
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2021, 5:00 PM
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When I was on 3rd Street yesterday I noticed the old auto repair shop on Osborn was leveled. Building permits show NAC is building something on that lot.

unrelated: obadno, I have a new client who is insistent on buying a few houses out in the Eastmark area. I've tried explaining why this is a terrible investment for rentals and when things start to contract he will be hurting. People can't be reasoned with anymore. Society has decided that smart people don't know what they're talking about. Environmental, health, investment. It doesn't matter the topic, people think Facebook knows more than professionals.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2021, 5:22 PM
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Environmental, health, investment. It doesn't matter the topic, people think Facebook knows more than professionals.
What the aspiring technocrats out there need to consider is that Trust is earned. So what have the "professionals" done to squander trust in the general public since... eh lets say 2000

The question isn't why these dumb rubes don't listen, but what have we done to lose their confidence.

Until our alleged "leaders and professionals" figure out how to regain trust of the general populace this will continue. And no berating them as stupid or ignorant isn't going to help as there is continually demonstration of the professional experts fucking things up.

But in this case I agree he will end up selling those off because I dont suspect far flung areas like eastmark are going to be hot rental markets.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2021, 5:48 PM
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People have always wanted to be misinformed, Facebook just makes it easier for the grift to be streamlined. You can’t force somebody to trust experts they don’t want to believe.
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Anyone have any idea when this data center project will get moving?

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Old Posted Oct 8, 2021, 9:22 AM
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Van Buren and 2nd Ave. Much more info being discussed here:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239017
Thank you, ASU Diablo.
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What the aspiring technocrats out there need to consider is that Trust is earned. So what have the "professionals" done to squander trust in the general public since... eh lets say 2000

The question isn't why these dumb rubes don't listen, but what have we done to lose their confidence.

Until our alleged "leaders and professionals" figure out how to regain trust of the general populace this will continue. And no berating them as stupid or ignorant isn't going to help as there is continually demonstration of the professional experts fucking things up.

But in this case I agree he will end up selling those off because I dont suspect far flung areas like eastmark are going to be hot rental markets.
Berating experts is just as dumb as berating non-experts ("rubes"). The Internet has changed what expertise looks and feels like, and until that gets painfully rebuilt into society, the Potemkin signals of expertise will continue to wreck people and society. Print literacy was just as traumatic, but we'll eventually rebuild. It's everyone. We're all lost, and we're trying to rebuild what matters into the fabric of what runs us. That's why we keep hauling Zuck in front of Congress, but we'll have to remake pretty much everything to separate the useful from the fraudulent. It'll take time, and blaming ourselves is just as fruitless as blaming others. It distracts from the hard work and compromises necessary to turn the corner.
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Berating experts is just as dumb as berating non-experts ("rubes"). The Internet has changed what expertise looks and feels like, and until that gets painfully rebuilt into society, the Potemkin signals of expertise will continue to wreck people and society. Print literacy was just as traumatic, but we'll eventually rebuild. It's everyone. We're all lost, and we're trying to rebuild what matters into the fabric of what runs us. That's why we keep hauling Zuck in front of Congress, but we'll have to remake pretty much everything to separate the useful from the fraudulent. It'll take time, and blaming ourselves is just as fruitless as blaming others. It distracts from the hard work and compromises necessary to turn the corner.
What has happened is the pre internet world of credentialism has collapsed due to the internet (this has happened before). Hate to inform all but it will take a couple generations for society to renegotiate authority in the wake of the information revolution.

In the meantime it will be chaos. The best you can do is build the foundations of authority that may become the new trusted institutions (no promises it will work) we will all be long dead before things "settle"
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What has happened is the pre internet world of credentialism has collapsed due to the internet (this has happened before). Hate to inform all but it will take a couple generations for society to renegotiate authority in the wake of the information revolution.

In the meantime it will be chaos. The best you can do is build the foundations of authority that may become the new trusted institutions (no promises it will work) we will all be long dead before things "settle"
It hasn't totally collapsed (although in these cheap forums, where there is zero lost by all of us blusterers, it can *feel* that way). The educational premium is actually higher than it used to be, despite people lamenting otherwise. It is harder than ever to find qualified labor, despite there being an increasing premium on talent, credentialed or otherwise.

Authority in the political arena has shifted what used to be religious fervor into that particular space. We still have a loss of authority and trust in these highly-symbolic spaces, but the passion is there. During the transition to literacy, there was a LOT of conflict that was unleashed in transitioning authority from the religious sphere (church, monarchy) to the civil sphere that dominates literate culture (educators, lawyers, engineers, business folk). We are gradually making the shift through media culture (we hardly talk about that these days--how Presidents are really media creations) and to network culture. Right now, we're all stumbling around looking for whether or not we can trust Yelp reviews, turned in school work, or news stories, when all we have are standards based on a tightly-regulated, and socially-stable print culture. Once we are able to re-establish liability for those doing harm online (libel, etc.), spaces with heightened scrutiny
and accountability (what the professions used to do, and what the FCC, SEC, and other organizations did), and regularized spaces for negotiated conflict that replaces unregulated conflict, we'll be there. We just have to re-orient ourselves to what makes people's lives better in *this* moment, rather than trying to ape what it used to be. It's too easy to copy-and-paste essays, provoke anger with bots, etc. I've been off social media for years, and hardly ever look at a non-paper newspaper, despite spending 80% of my workday on the Internet. I do LOTS of verified work there, but that level of verification hasn't yet transitioned to the "Rage-o-Sphere" that every side monetizes for eyeball space. It will get there when the consequences for threats, lies, and rage outweigh the benefits.

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