Federal Government & Politics | Election 2021 FORUM POLL

[thenoflyzone]

I've voted in every major election - provincial or federal - since I was 18, except for the last federal one. And i'm not planning on voting in this one either. Why is there no option that says "I'm not voting" ? I can assure you we're plenty.

This single member plurality system we have in this country is a joke. I live in a riding that voted overwhelmingly liberal in the last elections, and is projected to do the same in this one. If i'm a supporter of any other party besides the liberals, my vote doesn't accomplish anything.

This is one of the reasons why I didn't vote last election. And it's why I won't vote in this one either. Another major reason why i'm not voting is because the only 2 parties that matter, the Libs and Cons, have idiots as leaders. So I won't support either with my vote. Voting for the other parties, especially in my riding, is a waste of time.

Show me someone that's worth voting in, and I'll do it. I like Jagmeet, but I'm not a leftist.

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Undecided due to the ineptitude and negative politicking by of all.

I'm decided. Not voting due to the ineptitude and negative politicking by all.

[Hybrid247]

Voting CPC for the first time on Monday because I don't want to risk giving Trudeau a majority and I also want to signal to the CPC that their move towards center is the right move. Time to abandon the far-right nut jobs.

[Loco101]

I'm voting Liberal in Timmins-James Bay. NDP incumbent Charlie Angus will win here.

[jamincan]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

I've voted in every major election - provincial or federal - since I was 18, except for the last federal one. And i'm not planning on voting in this one either. Why is there no option that says "I'm not voting" ? I can assure you we're plenty.

This single member plurality system we have in this country is a joke. I live in a riding that voted overwhelmingly liberal in the last elections, and is projected to do the same in this one. If i'm a supporter of any other party besides the liberals, my vote doesn't accomplish anything.

This is one of the reasons why I didn't vote last election. And it's why I won't vote in this one either. Another major reason why i'm not voting is because the only 2 parties that matter, the Libs and Cons, have idiots as leaders. So I won't support either with my vote. Voting for the other parties, especially in my riding, is a waste of time.

Show me someone that's worth voting in, and I'll do it. I like Jagmeet, but I'm not a leftist.



I'm decided. Not voting due to the ineptitude and negative politicking by all.

The Liberals and Conservatives are perfectly happy with a non-voting population. It just assures their hegemony even more.

[J81]

Originally Posted by esquire

The Liberals are the true conservatives here. They'll basically keep Canada moving in the right direction with some tweaks as necessary. They are not making grandiose promises to reshape society the way that the woke left with the NDP or those who worship at the altar of low taxes above all else in the CPC both are. Trudeau has my vote.

Have you paid any attention the past 6 years? The country has no direction under Turdeau. Hes accomplished nothing. He’s embarrassed this country repeatedly and no world leaders take him seriously. Hes over his head on every issue and never has an answer to any questions. Climate change? He cant even provide reserves with clean drinking water ( 6 years after promising he would ) and you think he can actually come up with an effective plan to combat “climate change”? Lol its comical!

[J81]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

LPC. Need that cheap cheap child care.

Never happen. Wasted vote. Congrats

[MolsonExport]

Krank machine working overtime.

[GeneralLea]

Voted Liberal a couple days ago by mail, my area is very red and it shows from past elections. I wouldn't mind voting NDP sometime, but it's not as if they would have a chance in my area.....I saw no advertising from them at all this election. (in my area*)


Do I dislike Trudeau? Mostly, yes. But heck, I don't really see the CPP as the way to go. I don't mind seeing a minority gov't with a NDP backing.

[Nouvellecosse]

I advance voted NDP. My while riding went Liberal (along with every other Atlantic riding) in the big FU to Harper, it's been NDP before so there's a real possibility. I'm still furious at Trudeau for not delivering electoral reform as promised which is probably my #1 voting issue along with climate action and income inequality. Some one earlier said the Liberals are basically the true conservatives and I agree with that. They're basically just a "stay the course" party that's not willing to take the bold action necessary to address the major current issues. They take steps toward addressing many of them and talk about them, but it's more symbolism than substance.

While my ultimate fantasy would be an NDP gov, my realistic hope is for another Liberal minority because while the actual Conservative party has softened its image a bit, why risk it lol.

[MonctonRad]

So far, the internal SSP poll above is telling me more about the membership of SSP than it is about the final results of the federal election.

SSP is an urban development forum, therefore it is not surprising that the majority of members are young urban professionals, generally living in rental accommodations in the downtowns of major Canadian cities. Most members are male, single, and a surprising proportion of the membership is gay. I have the feeling many forum members do not own a car, hardly ever leave the urban cores of their cities and are stressed by the costs of living in a major Canadian city.

It is not surprising SSP has a heavy NDP and Liberal bias, but there is a whole other Canada which does not live in the "Big Six" Canadian cities who have entirely different concerns and priorities. These people have families, own property and vehicles, are concerned about taxes and are concerned about how shifting government priorities might impact on their lives. These people are more likely to vote Conservative.

How do we reconcile these two Canadas? Both groups have valid worries and concerns..........

[MonctonRad]

FWIW, I voted Conservative, but I know it is a wasted vote because my riding is an almost certain Liberal win. It is amongst the safest Liberal seats in the country. I hate JT however, and felt it was important to send him a message.

I am OK however if the Liberals get back in, just so long as it is a weak minority. I do not want to see JT get rewarded for calling this unnecessary pandemic election. And, as I have mentioned before a couple of times, Dominic LeBlanc (the Liberal godfather of NB, and JTs right hand man) has secured funding for a new $700M federal fisheries and oceans research facility in Moncton, and $400M for a new federal prison hospital in nearby Dorchester. Both these substantial projects might be in peril with a Conservative win. This is the other reason why I might be secretly happen with a Liberal win (this time around).

It might be for the best if the Conservatives lose this time. It will give O'Toole time to find better candidates for the next election, and will allow him more time to put his brand on the party. Unless the Conservatives lose catastrophically, I think he will be around for at least one more kick at the can.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

So far, the internal SSP poll above is telling me more about the membership of SSP than it is about the final results of the federal election.

SSP is an urban development forum, therefore it is not surprising that the majority of members are young urban professionals, generally living in rental accommodations in the downtowns of major Canadian cities. Most members are male, single, and a surprising proportion of the membership is gay. I have the feeling many forum members do not own a car, hardly ever leave the urban cores of their cities and are stressed by the costs of living in a major Canadian city.

It is not surprising SSP has a heavy NDP and Liberal bias, but there is a whole other Canada which does not live in the "Big Six" Canadian cities who have entirely different concerns and priorities. These people have families, own property and vehicles, are concerned about taxes and are concerned about how shifting government priorities might impact on their lives. These people are more likely to vote Conservative.

How do we reconcile these two Canadas? Both groups have valid worries and concerns..........

Yup… and you can see the divide between east and west too… I as a manitoban have never felt more alienated from the rest of Canada, and in particular Ottawa. The increase in poverty in Winnipeg in the last five years is absolutely staggering. With winnipeg’s massive poor indigenous population, what has the federal government done to make their lives better? Sweet FA.

But yeah the SSP bubble is real… just look at that one guy bragging about buying up property across the country and how he’s in desperate need of his “cheap cheap liberal child care”. Yup happily living in their bubbles blissfully unaware of the dumpster fire around them…

[thewave46]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

So far, the internal SSP poll above is telling me more about the membership of SSP than it is about the final results of the federal election.

SSP is an urban development forum, therefore it is not surprising that the majority of members are young urban professionals, generally living in rental accommodations in the downtowns of major Canadian cities. Most members are male, single, and a surprising proportion of the membership is gay. I have the feeling many forum members do not own a car, hardly ever leave the urban cores of their cities and are stressed by the costs of living in a major Canadian city.

It is not surprising SSP has a heavy NDP and Liberal bias, but there is a whole other Canada which does not live in the "Big Six" Canadian cities who have entirely different concerns and priorities. These people have families, own property and vehicles, are concerned about taxes and are concerned about how shifting government priorities might impact on their lives. These people are more likely to vote Conservative.

How do we reconcile these two Canadas? Both groups have valid worries and concerns..........

Sure, and polling a 'Trucks Canada' forum would likely result in a similar bias, but leaning another way.

The regionalism of this country has evolved in a sense and I get the distinct sense of less intermixing of people between those regions in the modern era.

So, writ large you've:

Farm country/oil country: CPC heartland.
Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa cores: Liberal heartland, with occasional NDP urban seats.
Rural resource Anglo-Canada: Liberal/NDP battleground.
Quebec outside of Montreal/National Capital Region: BQ heartland.
The suburbs are swing areas for the Liberals and CPC

The urban-rural divide is the key. On each end of that divide, the other end of the political spectrum knows it is a lost battle. The interesting thing is the dichotomy of politics in the rural fringes. It's nationalistic in our duality sense, but very differentiated between right- and left-wing.

That's not what usually happens in most countries. The rural-urban divide is the political divide too, but one-sided.

[Truenorth00]

I think a better question to ask is the second choice.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I advance voted NDP. My while riding went Liberal (along with every other Atlantic riding) in the big FU to Harper, it's been NDP before so there's a real possibility. I'm still furious at Trudeau for not delivering electoral reform as promised which is probably my #1 voting issue along with climate action and income inequality. Some one earlier said the Liberals are basically the true conservatives and I agree with that. They're basically just a "stay the course" party that's not willing to take the bold action necessary to address the major current issues. They take steps toward addressing many of them and talk about them, but it's more symbolism than substance.

While my ultimate fantasy would be an NDP gov, my realistic hope is for another Liberal minority because while the actual Conservative party has softened its image a bit, why risk it lol.

Dayum, finally, someone who remembers the broken promise on electoral reform.

[MolsonExport]

here is a whole other Canada which does not live in the "Big Six" Canadian cities who have entirely different concerns and priorities. These people have families, own property and vehicles, are concerned about taxes and are concerned about how shifting government priorities might impact on their lives. These people are more likely to vote Conservative.

Not me. I will not vote Conservative, even though I live in the 11th largest city, have two kids and a wife, a house on a large lot + pool, hit the top tax bracket, and yes, I am also paying attention to how shifting government priorities might impact lives of people in my family.

The world is changing faster than at any previous time, The problem with the conservative party is that they dropped the "Progressive" prefix. O'Toole is doing an admirable job trying to bring that back, at least philosophically, but the rest of the kicking and screaming party behind him (let alone much of the religious, anti-green, anti-immigrant "Base") doesn't give me much hope that he will succeed.

The shitshow in Alberta is a glaring reminder of what happens when you let populist right wingers into the kitchen.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I advance voted NDP.... my #1 voting issue along with climate action ...

I'm a climate voter this election. My vote went LPC. And I did that after reading every party's climate plan. My second choice would have been CPC. I reached the same conclusion as Mark Jaccard did about the NDP and Greens. Their climate plans are big on promises, short on policy to actually achieve those promises. He made the point that this has become a pattern in Canada, where parties promise ambitious targets and don't offer actual policy plans to deliver them. He rated the Liberal plan as most likely to achieve its target and the CPC next (even though their target was less ambitious). The Liberal climate plan was endorsed by Mark Jaccard, Andrew Weaver, Katharine Hayhoe and Andrew Leach. Literally every major name in climate policy in Canada.



The Liberals have had a lot of failures. Their biggest success the has actually been climate policy though. They actually implemented most of what they promised on this one. And as Mark Jaccard pointed out, these are policies that will deliver substantially in the years to come. This is a great interview for anyone who wants to learn more on the topic:

• Video Link

[q12]

So are the 5 PPC votes all from Migs and his many aliases?

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

So far, the internal SSP poll above is telling me more about the membership of SSP than it is about the final results of the federal election.

SSP is an urban development forum, therefore it is not surprising that the majority of members are young urban professionals, generally living in rental accommodations in the downtowns of major Canadian cities. Most members are male, single, and a surprising proportion of the membership is gay. I have the feeling many forum members do not own a car, hardly ever leave the urban cores of their cities and are stressed by the costs of living in a major Canadian city.

It is not surprising SSP has a heavy NDP and Liberal bias, but there is a whole other Canada which does not live in the "Big Six" Canadian cities who have entirely different concerns and priorities. These people have families, own property and vehicles, are concerned about taxes and are concerned about how shifting government priorities might impact on their lives. These people are more likely to vote Conservative.

How do we reconcile these two Canadas? Both groups have valid worries and concerns..........

What's there to reconcile? I don't mean that as a trite comment.

I always find it odd that so many voters in these areas regularly complain about how inept the federal government is. But come election time, they are always complaining about not enough federal government for them. Surely, if you think the mandarins in Ottawa are incompetent, you wouldn't want to have them all up in your business even more.

I also find that people have this strange habit of blaming literally every local problem in their area on the federal government. Pothole on my street? "Damn that Trudeau!" Left leaners do the same thing when conservatives are in power. And it's kinda ridiculous. The feds can't fix every problem in your community. Hold them accountable for what they can actually do.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

What's there to reconcile? I don't mean that as a trite comment.

No, reconciliation is necessary, and, if not, at least sympathy and understanding.

An urbanist living in a 500 sq ft microloft in downtown TO can scream to the tall timbers about wealth taxes, but a farmer sitting on a rural nest egg of $10M might feel differently, since his "fortune" is tied up in land used for his farm, and he actually has trouble scraping together $50k/ year to actually live on. By the books, the farmer might be considered "wealthy", but in actual day to day terms, he is paying himself near starvation wages, and his children are going without. He is up to his neck in debt, and is one poor crop away from bankruptcy and repossessing.

The same thing goes for small business owners, many of whom have significant day to day struggles making ends meet. They may make money selling their business in the end (although this is not guaranteed), but in real world terms he has no assured weekly income, and needs to constantly adjust to market pressures to stay afloat. Those people in the downtown microlofts getting a regular pay check with benefits have no idea.

People need to be more understands of the stresses and pressures of others in society, especially if their own life experiences are completely foreign to the others.