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Old Posted Sep 15, 2021, 3:20 PM
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So what exactly are you doing when you cherry pick the worst scenes on North Main street as your "examples"?

By the same token I could easily go and post pictures of the hellscape that is western Stony Plain Trail where normal neighourhood businesses have been completely displaced by pawn shops, tattoo shops, liquor stores, XXX movie shops and massage parlours. Or the drab ugliness all along 118th Av. But what would that prove?
Please find something on Stoney Plain or 118 ave that closely resembles the Main street in Winnipeg. And not just one corner but the whole stretch that Main street is.
     
     
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Can someone please explain what sort of zoning "Commercial Media Centre" is?

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Old Posted Sep 15, 2021, 3:55 PM
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Please find something on Stoney Plain or 118 ave that closely resembles the Main street in Winnipeg. And not just one corner but the whole stretch that Main street is.
OK

Stony Plain https://goo.gl/maps/rDvJ4yNiKSKWyGgx8

118 Ave https://goo.gl/maps/24DEyyMxE18EskhM8

Stony Plain is atrocious. Even Main Street Winnipeg doesn't have such an unbroken chain of tattoo parlor/pawn shop/porn store/liquor mart/cannabis shop/empty lot like Stony Plain. Probably the only place in Canada I've seen something like that. The funny thing is I don't even think the surrounding residentials areas are that bad, do the locals just like to spend all their money on weed and tattoos?
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2021, 4:14 PM
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This corner will be redeveloped completely, as the LRT is going to run here.

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I am not seeing anything bad here.

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Even Main Street Winnipeg doesn't have such an unbroken chain of tattoo parlor/pawn shop/porn store/liquor mart/cannabis shop/empty lot like Stony Plain.
Then you probably should open your eyes and go for a walk

Stoney Plain and especially 118 look like very presentable streets compared to that...












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Old Posted Sep 15, 2021, 4:24 PM
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This corner will be redeveloped completely, as the LRT is going to run here.

I am not seeing anything bad here.

Then you probably should open your eyes and go for a walk
LOL ok homer, go bask in the beauty of the run down motels, strip malls and vacant lots of 118 Ave.

I'm done here.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2021, 6:55 PM
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Seriously, do Albertans fell the need to be asshats on just about every issue? Show a little class, troll.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2021, 8:40 PM
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But this is exactly what you have been doing - trashing Edmonton, calling it the ugliest city in Canada and praising Winnipeg for its "aesthetics"

Winnipeg is like a Canadian version of Detroit. Great history, big plans for growing city hence 8 lanes in the centre. But it never came to fruition.



You are manipulating. Comparing apples to oranges - one of the most beautiful corners in downtown with the east end of Jasper Ave next to the horrific Quarters, that the city is trying to redevelop after years of neglect.



Winnipeg was lucky it didn't have the economic booms of Edmonton, when most of the historical sites in downtown were demolished to make way for new buildings.
Edmonton is building a modern city.



I will take the "ugly" 124th over Winnipeg's main streets which do look like third world, which is not just my observation.
Buddy, these are literally YOUR examples. If you did not want me to use them, why did you share them?

As esquire asked, what exactly is it that YOU are doing by cherry-picking the most dilapidated corners of Winnipeg and concluding that the whole city is a "ghetto" or "third world" (or whatever else racist term you can come up with) and nothing of merit? A city you have admittedly never even been to? I have shown you repeated examples of other parts of Winnipeg that do not look like North Main Street. You choose to ignore that and go back to North Main time and time again. Edmonton has dilapidated areas too. Both cities are known for crime and being rundown.

Also, whether or not an area is dilapidated or not is completely irrelevant to my point. Vancouver's Downtown Eastside has its fair share of problems, but it's also probably the most intact historical area of the city. Just because an area has poor people or has issues in some way doesn't mean the actual urban fabric of the area can't be good. That's all I'm arguing. Winnipeg has its issues, and Edmonton definitely on the whole has better policies and is more progressive with regards to making the city better (such as in the streetscape improvements on Jasper). However, Winnipeg still has beautiful and great communities, and wonderful 'bones', despite some of these things Edmonton is doing. It is a testament to the wealth and quality of pre-war urbanism that Winnipeg has managed to be like this.

That's all. I'm done with this idiotic argument you've put me into time and time again. You're a troll and I'm putting you on my Ignore List to prevent further thread hijacks.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2021, 8:49 PM
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LOL ok homer, go bask in the beauty of the run down motels, strip malls and vacant lots of 118 Ave.

I'm done here.
Literally.

I'm from Edmonton and I find this argument so absurd. I don't think I've said anything controversial - Winnipeg does have a wealth of pre-war urbanism that Edmonton does not. That urbanism is from a time before automobile supremacy and thus is inherently more walkable than most stuff built today. Despite lacking LRT, tons of new streetscapes, better urban policies, all of which are making Edmonton progress into a better city, Winnipeg still has all those old bones that mean that, despite decades of trying to turn the city into a car-oriented city, show a resilience and are a source of a lot of Winnipeg's current beauty.

Ultimately, I don't think Winnipeg is better than Edmonton or vice-versa. They both have things that make their cities attractive. In Winnipeg, its often rooted in the older urbanism as well as strong arts and political communities. In Edmonton, its the better planning and urban policy and sense of progress and optimism. It doesn't have to be an either/or.

I do think Winnipeggers, like Edmontonians until fairly recently, have a sense of fatalist defeatism about their city that make it easy for clowns like Edmonchuk to swoop in and play into stereotypes about the city that people have imbibed. Both cities are often punching bags on the national stage, but they're a lot better cities than people make them out to be.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2021, 9:36 PM
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clowns like Edmonchuk
To be called a clown, homer, troll, buddy for pointing out just how run down and dirty streets are is unbelievable. I have never said anything that is a lie. If it is so hard to accept the truth and reality, then I don't expect any changes in that city.
     
     
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Lol. Is this the Winnipeg Construction thread, or a d#&k measuring contest?
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2021, 2:13 AM
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In road construction news… is every major street getting work done? Yikes my drive home from work it become quite unbearable. Lots of side streets in downtown, Osborne, cordon, Archibald, Taylor, Jubilee, etc.

I’m not a cyclist, but they have recently rebuilt Archibald, and Corydon completely, why can’t they add 4 feet and make a dedicated cycling lane
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Lol. Is this the Winnipeg Construction thread, or a d#&k measuring contest?
I think it's obvious it's become the latter.
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Winnipeg and Edmonton are the same place minus oil. Who cares.

In fact, most Canadian cities are the same except for the real nice areas of places like Vancouver.
     
     
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This corner will be redeveloped completely, as the LRT is going to run here.



I am not seeing anything bad here.



Then you probably should open your eyes and go for a walk

Stoney Plain and especially 118 look like very presentable streets compared to that...











I enjoy how this person spent their time taking a virtual tour of Winnipeg Main st, taking screen shots, then uploading them, and then creating a post with all the links to said picture. Doth protest too much, methink.
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On a positive note, he did post a pic of my old Liquor Mart!
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Is it strange that I kinda like a lot of those North Main photos? The businesses simply reflect the low income of the area. Swap them out for mid to higher income businesses that could afford to fix them up and bring in higher property taxes to add attractive streetscaping, center-lane BRT and bike lanes, densify with some midrise rentals, and any of those streets would be highly desirable. Everything is changeable. North Main'll never be the Exchange, but that's fine.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2021, 1:20 AM
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Is it strange that I kinda like a lot of those North Main photos? The businesses simply reflect the low income of the area. Swap them out for mid to higher income businesses that could afford to fix them up and bring in higher property taxes to add attractive streetscaping, center-lane BRT and bike lanes, densify with some midrise rentals, and any of those streets would be highly desirable. Everything is changeable. North Main'll never be the Exchange, but that's fine.
I agree - this was something I was trying to articulate with my criticisms of Edmonchuk. A lot of North Main is street-facing, human-scaled buildings, often dressed in ornate old architecture. Just because it's frequented by and reflects the socioeconomic reality doesn't mean it's bad. People exhibit an annoying classism when they derogatorily critique areas of poverty. The real problem with North Main isn't that poor people live in the area, it's that the urban design (namely the streetscape and transportation infrastructure) is lacking and many buildings could use repairs. But that's unlike Edmonton, where many areas that are seeing investment from the city would quite literally need to be bulldozed (or at least extremely retrofitted) to have buildings that are pleasant and walkable.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2021, 2:05 AM
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I enjoy how this person spent their time taking a virtual tour of Winnipeg Main st, taking screen shots, then uploading them, and then creating a post with all the links to said picture. Doth protest too much, methink.
Ha! I enjoyed the tour. I love the North End's dusty old bones. Nothing but potential.
     
     
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On a positive note, he did post a pic of my old Liquor Mart!
i can remember when they were still across the st and that was an empty lot
     
     
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