Downtowns are back

[Quixote]

Looks impressive, right?


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But wait, that's just the tip of the iceberg...







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[Yuri]

Awesome. It will look like some futuristic Los Angeles movie. Take a night shot, with a nice filter and you have Blade Runner.

[Yuri]

Downtown Cincinnati




------------------------------ 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 ------ Growth ------ Density

Downtown ---------------------- 6,629 ------ 5,657 ------ 4,303 ------ 4,649 ---- 17.2% ---- 31.5% ---- -7.4% ------- 2.7 km² --- 2,486.5 inh./km²

Over-the-Rhine ---------------- 5,622 ------ 6,064 ------ 6,439 ------ 8,353 ---- -7.3% ---- -5.8% --- -22.9% ------- 1.1 km² --- 5,019.6 inh./km²

Cincinnati ------------------ 309,317 ---- 297,098 ---- 330,796 ---- 364,831 ----- 4.1% --- -10.2% ---- -9.3% ----- 201.6 km² --- 1,534.3 inh./km²

Cincinnati Metro Area ----- 2,241,397 -- 2,121,683 -- 2,001,353 -- 1,837,151 ----- 5.6% ----- 6.0% ----- 8.9% -- 10,833 km²


Downtown Cincinnati is a very constrict area, boxed by the highways and the hills. Growth wasn't as impressive as we've seen elsewhere, but it seems solid.

As it's immediately north of Downtown, I decided to bring Over-the-Rhine. It still posts population losses and now might be a sign of gentrification, I don't know.

And maybe the most remarkable thing here is the city of Cincinnati itself, posting growth for the first time since 1940-1950.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

Awesome. It will look like some futuristic Los Angeles movie. Take a night shot, with a nice filter and you have Blade Runner.

Once the purple line is completed to West LA, you will see a explosion of highrises in LA like never before. It's gonna be crazy, just that one line alone.
I dont think outsiders are really aware of the change that will happen.

[Labtec]

Originally Posted by Quixote

Everything (or just about) on the table (under construction, approved, proposed):


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That's the view from the 110 at MLK Blvd., so the foreground isn't DTLA. The cluster of brown high-rises to the far right are a project along Mesquit (between 6th and 7th) in the Arts District. The taller set of skyscrapers to its left are part of a project proposed for 6th/Alameda.

Like I said, a lot of room for a lot more than 200K.

Hopefully, those are built out, LA's skyline is very underwhelming for the 2nd largest city in the US. Also, whenever I visit there's nothing really to do besides around the LA Live area.

[dc_denizen]

I'd rather they add towers and midrise along the major arterials.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

[SIZE="3"]Downtown Cincinnati

As it's immediately north of Downtown, I decided to bring Over-the-Rhine. It still posts population losses and now might be a sign of gentrification, I don't know.

And maybe the most remarkable thing here is the city of Cincinnati itself, posting growth for the first time since 1940-1950.

Correct, yuppie singles and couples with no kids taking up entire floors where 10-20 adults and kids used to live.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by Labtec

Hopefully, those are built out, LA's skyline is very underwhelming for the 2nd largest city in the US. Also, whenever I visit there's nothing really to do besides around the LA Live area.

It sounds like you don't know where to go.
Little Tokyo? Arts District? Historic Core? Chinatown? Fashion District?
These places don't exist in another sunbelt city downtown.

[JDRCRASH]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

I'd rather they add towers and midrise along the major arterials.

Thats happening, too, especially around Koreatown.

Just wait till Westlake/MacArthur is cornered on all sides with development. It will pop like CRAZY.

[liat91]

Originally Posted by JDRCRASH

Thats happening, too, especially around Koreatown.

Just wait till Westlake/MacArthur is cornered on all sides with development. It will pop like CRAZY.

That’s what I’m hoping for.

Major high rises across the 110 would be insane as well, leading all the way to Westlake.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by LA21st

Once the purple line is completed to West LA, you will see a explosion of highrises in LA like never before. It's gonna be crazy, just that one line alone.
I dont think outsiders are really aware of the change that will happen.

Yesterday I watched the 1st episode of the 3rd season of HBO's Westworld. Lots of futuristic takes on Downtown LA, MacArthur Park and I found very realistic, full of residential infill.

They also put some skyscrapers on Downtown-Santa Monica corridor, which is a bit less likely.

[Yuri]

Downtown Phoenix




------------------------------ 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 ------ Growth ------ Density

Downtown --------------------- 12,896 ------ 8,643 ------ 7,981 ------ 8,721 ----- 49.2% ----- 8.3% ---- -8.5% ------- 5.2 km² --- 2,495.8 inh./km²

Phoenix MSA --------------- 4,845,832 -- 4,192,887 -- 3,251,876 -- 2,238,480 --- 15.6% --- 28.9% --- 45.3% -- 37,731 km²


Census tracts (4) match perfectly with the official definition of Downtown Phoenix. Growth there picked up later, in the 2010's only, in a moment the region slowed down considerably. I don't know how things are on the ground there, population is still low, but it looks promising regardless.

[Wigs]

yuriandrade, can you do Buffalo and Rochester NY?

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by Wigs

yuriandrade, can you do Buffalo and Rochester NY?

I did it. Ditto for Albany and Syracuse. They're in line to be posted.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

I did it. Ditto for Albany and Syracuse. They're in line to be posted.

Thanks

[Yuri]

Downtown Buffalo




------------------------------ 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 ------ Growth ------ Density

Downtown ---------------------- 2,354 ------ 1,798 ------ 1,943 ------ 1,518 ---- 30.9% ---- -7.5% --- 28.0% ------- 1.9 km² --- 1,235.7 inh./km²

Buffalo ----------------------- 278,349 ---- 261,346 ---- 292,819 ---- 328,233 ----- 6.5% --- -10.7% -- -10.8% ----- 104.6 km² --- 2,661.1 inh./km²

Buffalo MSA --------------- 1,166,902 -- 1,135,509 -- 1,170,111 -- 1,189,288 ----- 2.8% ---- -3.0% --- -1.6% --- 4,054 km²


Not much to say about Downtown Buffalo. Even though it's posting a decent growth, it still has a very small population and low density. Lots of room for improvement.

I guess the most remarkable news comes from the city and the MSA, growing for the first time since 1940-1950 and 1960-1970, respectively. Buffalo metro area, as Pittsburgh, had the dubious distinction of being the only two major metro areas to decline in every census since 1970 and 1960, respectively. Fortunately, both reversed that in 2020.

[downtownpdx]

Originally Posted by Derek

I think you’re misunderstanding. The Goose Hollow and Pearl neighborhoods are part of Portland’s “downtown” core, despite having a distinct name.

True, it's a 5 - 10 minute walk to the CBD from these neighborhoods. It seems to me everything inside the I-405 loop should be considered "downtown."

[Quixote]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

I'd rather they add towers and midrise along the major arterials.

DTLA is centrally located within LA County, and is the hub of Metro, Metrolink, and CAHSR (whenever that will arrive). Ideas of a built-up DTLA and a multi-nodal city aren't mutually exclusive. DTLA being the dominant nodal center is critical to restructuring the city's economic, political, cultural, and social dynamics. It will allow both residents and politicians alike to finally connect the dots and understand the region's enormous urban potential.

[Manitopiaaa]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

Downtown Dallas-Fort Worth




------------------------------ 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 ------ Growth ------ Density

Downtown Dallas -------------- 36,456 ----- 19,975 ------ 9,510 ------ 7,520 ---- 82.5% --- 110.0% --- 26.5% ------ 10.8 km² --- 3,365.6 inh./km²

CBD Dallas ---------------------- 6,514 ------ 3,712 ------ 1,920 ------ 2,841 ---- 75.5% ---- 93.3% -- -32.4% ------- 2.0 km² --- 3,310.0 inh./km²

Downtown Fort Worth -------- 11,977 ------ 6,435 ------ 6,739 ------ 6,443 ---- 86.1% ---- -4.5% ---- 4.6% ------ 11.8 km² --- 1,018.3 inh./km²

CBD Fort Worth ---------------- 6,345 ------ 3,210 -------- 857 -------- 489 ---- 97.7% --- 274.6% --- 75.3% ------- 2.0 km² --- 3,214.3 inh./km²

Dallas MSA ---------------- 7,637,387 -- 6,366,542 -- 5,156,217 -- 3,984,437 ---- 20.0% ---- 23.5% --- 29.4% -- 22,469 km²


What was a shame here for Dallas was the shape of their census tracts, not making possible to take the whole freeway loop area, which would be the best definition for their Downtown. So I came up with one strict (3 tracts), covering only half of the loop and a broader one, comprising 10 census tracts and including Uptown and Victoria Park north of loop and Cedars south. And to make Fort Worth comparable to Dallas, I also brought two definitions, one with 1 tract and the other comprising 3.

But back to the numbers, Downtown Dallas growing super fast and already reached a good density giving we're talking about a large area (almost 11 km²).

Downtown Fort Worth, on the other hand started its process only in the 2010's but they're already moving on the right direction.

And regarding the MSA, as Houston, it doesn't seem to slow. By the 2030 Census, the CSA will be quite close to the 10 million mark.

Downtown Dallas was much bigger and more lively than I expected. You usually only see the skyline from the angle you posted, but there were so many new buildings just to the North. My pics from Reunion Tower last year:





And the Downtown was very buzzing at night. I expected it to be dead. Definitely a positive surprise.

[Manitopiaaa]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

Downtown Washington




-------------------------------- 2020 ------ 2010 ------ 2000 ------ 1990 ------ Growth ------ Density

Downtown --------------------- 30,279 ----- 27,025 ----- 18,704 ----- 17,457 ---- 12.0% ---- 44.5% ---- 7.1% ------ 11.0 km² --- 2,743.7 inh./km²

Georgetown -------------------- 13,603 ----- 14,231 ----- 12,991 ----- 12,181 ---- -4.4% ----- 9.5% ---- 6.6% ------- 3.2 km² --- 4,268.3 inh./km²

Washington DC --------------- 689,545 ---- 601,723 ---- 572,059 ---- 606,900 ---- 14.6% ----- 5.2% --- -5.7% ----- 158.3 km² --- 4,355.9 inh./km²

Arlington-Alexandria-F.C. ---- 412,768 ---- 359,925 ---- 328,113 ---- 291,697 ---- 14.7% ----- 9.7% --- 12.5% ----- 111.3 km² --- 3,708.3 inh./km²

Washington Metro Area ----- 6,105,431 -- 5,388,326 -- 4,635,194 -- 3,997,373 ---- 13.3% ---- 16.2% --- 16.0% -- 12,403 km²


Washington Downtown is very different from everything. Firstly, the Mall and Potomac Park takes half of it (1 census tract). The other 10 census tracts comprise Foggy Bottom and everything between the Massachusetts Avenue and the Mall. As this region is full of big government offices, embassies, hotels, it's hard to make any assumption about its residential population trends.

As bonus, I brought Georgetown, formed by 4 census tracts.

The Washington MSA has competing Downtowns. If you ask people what Downtown is, you'd get either Tysons, Rosslyn, or Downtown D.C. I'll admit when I thought of Downtown DC, my mind immediately pictured Rosslyn, since that's what I traditionally associate with Downtown (highrise corporate HQs).

That said, most of D.C.'s growth is Downtown-proximate, but just outside it:

Atlas District
1990: 3,666
2000: 3,209
2010: 3,867
2020: 6,594

Navy Yard
1990: 2,087
2000: 1,825
2010: 2,794
2020: 11,036

Noma
1990: 157
2000: 89
2010: 66
2020: 5,198

Potomac Yard (Southern National Landing)
1990: 0
2000: 244
2010: 900
2020: 3,710

Rosslyn
1990: 6,499
2000: 7,142
2010: 8,491
2020: 10,647

Tysons (only a portion is built out)
1990: 11,241
2000: 15,846
2010: 19,627
2020: 26,374
Fairfax County Goal: 100,000