Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Reeder113

New KSL article on The Point project:

https://www.ksl.com/article/50222116...e-taking-shape

To add to this comment, the Deseret News article has a link to the PDF of the Point "Framework Plan" (large PDF warning) with more renderings, maps, and information.

For all of this talk of "the car won't be king," they still are planning to have more than 40,000 parking spaces.

[airhero]

Originally Posted by Atlas

To add to this comment, the Deseret News article has a link to the PDF of the Point "Framework Plan" (large PDF warning) with more renderings, maps, and information.

For all of this talk of "the car won't be king," they still are planning to have more than 40,000 parking spaces.

The first view makes it look like most the structures are parking garages. I think the prison site has serious potential to be something remarkable but I feel confident it won’t be. I apologize for the pessimism.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by airhero

The first view makes it look like most the structures are parking garages. I think the prison site has serious potential to be something remarkable but I feel confident it won’t be. I apologize for the pessimism.

I share your pessimism, to be honest. Every iteration of this plan makes it look more-and-more like an office park but with more green space and some housing thrown in. I especially don't like that they've settled for a new BRT line to Lehi instead of connecting the development to TRAX (and to SL County at large). In combination with the evidently abundant parking, I think it will end up being very car-centric.

Imagine you live in Sandy and want to get to your job at "The Point." You get on TRAX or a bus (or drive) to get to Murray or South Jordan stations, then ride the FrontRunner to Draper, then get on the BRT to "Central Park," then hop on the "circulator" or ride your bike to your office. Taking into account lead times, what is that? An hour? Or you could drive and get there in 15 minutes.

And what is the ridership on the BRT from Lehi going to be? Do they expect the majority of workers and visitors to be coming from Lehi? Why would other people from Utah County drive to Lehi and then take the BRT? That just doesn't make sense to me.



I am interested to see what they have in mind for the "research institution" though. The U seems to be going in on the Depot District so it may not be them. That leaves, what, Utah State? Maybe a federally-funded or private laboratory? Or would they invite an out-of-state university presence?

[msbutah]

Looking at the aerial view, it seems like any of the buildings with those black metal roofs to provide shade for rooftop parked cars are garages. I count at least 20 and some that get cropped out. Even with ground floor engagement, that's a whole lotta sprawl dedicated to warehousing cars.

[Makid]

Originally Posted by Atlas

And what is the ridership on the BRT from Lehi going to be? Do they expect the majority of workers and visitors to be coming from Lehi? Why would other people from Utah County drive to Lehi and then take the BRT? That just doesn't make sense to me.

The BRT Line is only cursory for SL County. The vast majority of the riders will use it to go between the Lehi FrontRunner station and the Adobe BRT stop. There may be some usage on the West side of I-15 but I think it will be negligible.

This may change over time, as The Point is developed. If only because the BRT line is basically a connection between the Lehi and the coming FrontRunner station near The Point. There aren't any other transit plans to link this line to any other transit connections outside of these 2 stations.

As a side note, Trax was removed from consideration for The Point due to the backlash that occurred when people saw the initial, high density plans, for the area. This outcry caused the State to find an alternative to get Transit to Adobe. The BRT connection is what came out of it.

The BRT connection is what caused the down grade of the density from the 2nd plan to the current one. Without a strong transit connection to the rest of SL County and Utah County, the density of the development was lowered again.

This iteration of the plan is probably still very optimistic. Each iteration decreases the overall density while it adds more green space, including on the roof tops. This is done to allow for future expansion once better transit connections occur. This won't happen though until closer to 2050 to 2065 without significant State funding.

There most likely will be another update that will decrease some of the commercial aspects and change them to residential. This is primarily due to the planned Tech expansion for the area being smaller than anticipated as many Tech companies are moving towards Urban environments as well as expanding their Work at Home options. We will continue to see development happen in Lehi and Draper but we will also see more developments in and around downtown SLC and Provo.

[bob rulz]

On an urban scale of 1-10 (with 1 being suburban wasteland and 10 being like, Manhattan or something), I would give this a 5 if I'm feeling generous. As mentioned above, the density is far below what it should be and there's still way too much space dedicated to cars.

For all of the talk about creating self-sufficient suburban communities where everyone can live, work, shop and play in the same space, how often does that model actually work? It's not as if everybody who works in that area ever lives in that area or vice versa. It looks really pretty, but it definitely feels watered-down.

[Reeder113]

I've always thought Walt Disney had the right idea when he came up with his original idea for EPCOT (before it was a theme park). I love the different layers of transportation (cars, people movers, monorails, etc). Everything revolved around a central hub which was like the downtown area. I've always thought something like this could be cool at The Point. Not exactly like this, necessarily, but something similar.

[EPdesign]

I scrolled down and thought this was a master plan around IHC Murray campus. Got excited, but then realized it’s the original plan for EPCOT. Lol

[Atlas]

Speaking of Murray, the local NIMBYs are organizing to stop this large, mixed-use development:

[zsmallwood]

Thanks for posting that, I encourage everyone on this forum to try to attend! We need support for the project. Even though there is a lot of parking, I think overall its a good design and will help reinvigorate Murrays "CBD"

[Ironweed]

Murry's downtown needs help. I know a person on the city council that is anti- development. She is wanting to knock down anything proposed. I asked her why. Her responses have not been reasonable, It is frustrating. Not sure why some leaders can't see the forest through the trees.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by zsmallwood

Thanks for posting that, I encourage everyone on this forum to try to attend! We need support for the project. Even though there is a lot of parking, I think overall its a good design and will help reinvigorate Murrays "CBD"

Best of luck. Don't let the NIMBYs control the narrative. I wish I could attend but I'm currently in Denver.

[delts145]

What's the status of this huge project? If anyone lives in the area please take some pics for us of the construction progress. Thanks!

Central Metro - West Valley/
Taylorsville - Sage Valley Project, Under Construction

By Travis Barton | [email protected]

...The development is set to feature 430 apartments and 21 townhomes. Further land around the old Kmart site was bought to increase parking spaces to 700, which comes out to roughly 1.7 stalls per unit on site...

...The Sage Valley Project amenities include... Granite countertops, access only via key cards and custom cabinetry as a few items. Other comforts include a swimming pool, courtyard, garages, on-site manager, private balconies, roof patios and bicycle storage.

Day said they plan to pour $60 million into the project, which they hope will attract high-end clientele. It also explains the reasoning behind the high density.

“To achieve what we need…(and) with the effort we’re going to put in on this project, we have to have a certain number of units,” Day said...

[Atlas]

OZ Architecture has a new page up for SSL's big downtown apartment project dubbed "Bowers Residences at South City." It looks a bit scaled back from older renderings but still has 300 units as well as restaurant/retail space. I think construction on this project has stalled a bit because it has looked the same every time I've gone to SLC in the last few months.

Located on the site of an old granite mill in an area that is rapidly transforming as part of an aggressive redevelopment effort driven by the City of South Salt Lake, the Bowers Residences at South City will sit at the heart of a walkable downtown area connected to the regional and local public transit system via new light rail and streetcar routes.

OZ’s design makes an artfully bold, colorful and eclectic statement, with premium materials, an appealing and often surprising color and textural palette, and abundant natural light prominent in the building’s shared spaces. The end result structurally and stylistically is a building whose design is meant to endure, with elements that reweave a neighborhood’s urban fabric, cultivate connection and encourage enlightened circulation.

[StevenF]

Delts, there isn't much to say or show for this project at the moment. I live a mile from this old Kmart and all the old buildings are still there. The thrift store and LendNation are still active and open within the development area and I haven't seen any signs up saying they are moving or closing.

Originally Posted by delts145

What's the status of this huge project? If anyone lives in the area please take some pics for us of the construction progress. Thanks!

Central Metro - West Valley/
Taylorsville - Sage Valley Project, Under Construction

By Travis Barton | [email protected]

...The development is set to feature 430 apartments and 21 townhomes. Further land around the old Kmart site was bought to increase parking spaces to 700, which comes out to roughly 1.7 stalls per unit on site...

...The Sage Valley Project amenities include... Granite countertops, access only via key cards and custom cabinetry as a few items. Other comforts include a swimming pool, courtyard, garages, on-site manager, private balconies, roof patios and bicycle storage.

Day said they plan to pour $60 million into the project, which they hope will attract high-end clientele. It also explains the reasoning behind the high density.

“To achieve what we need…(and) with the effort we’re going to put in on this project, we have to have a certain number of units,” Day said...

[delts145]

Thanks Steven for the updated info.

[i-215]

Originally Posted by Atlas

For all of this talk of "the car won't be king," they still are planning to have more than 40,000 parking spaces.

Could they at least shove the 40,000 spaces into a few clusters on the edge of the project (near freeway ramps) and make it feel like a walkable downtown/mall area?

These renderings look sad. Like... Thanksgiving Point sad.

[ryerop]

https://www.abc4.com/news/top-storie...-from-scratch/
This is an interesting article talking about a guy that's wanting to build a city from the ground up that would have everything needed within 15 minutes. I've seen a few articles going around about this and they are mentioning wanting to have autonomous vehicles

The future city of Telosa is the brainchild of Jet.com founder Marc Lore, who later worked as an executive for Walmart. Lore envisions a completely new, sustainable city to be launched with roughly 1 million people by the end of the decade. According to the project website, the city would grow sustainably over the next 40 years to encompass 150,000 acres and house 5 million people.
Lore says the city will be centered around a new iteration of capitalism he calls ‘equitism,’ the idea that the whole society shares in success equally, rather than a model in which success for a few fosters a growing equality gap. The word Telosa refers to the Greek concept of something fulfilling its highest intended purpose.

I posted this on here because it's likely not going to happen, but they mention in the article that they are scouting Utah as one of the places it may end up

There’s also the matter of where Telosa will be built. According to the New York Post, Lore’s team is scouting Nevada, Utah, Idaho, Arizona, Texas and the “Appalachian region” as possible sites.

Interesting thought anyway, even if it likely isn't going to be a thing in Utah anyway. People are eyeing Utah for some big ideas

[bob rulz]

Complete fantasy-land.

[i-215]

The future city of Telosa is the brainchild of Jet.com founder Marc Lore, who later worked as an executive for Walmart. Lore envisions a completely new, sustainable city to be launched with roughly 1 million people

Remember the guy who wanted to build Utah's tallest building (by Frank Gehry) at the Point of the Mountain?

Pepperage Farm remembers...